MP 1,1-5,1 Bootcamp no longer functional with cMP 5,1 w/ Mojave update??

AnimeFunTv

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I was just curious about Bootcamp assistant, I fired it up and i got...

"Boot Camp Assistant cannot be used.
This Mac does not support Boot Camp."

Wait WHAT?!

Anyone else run into this?
 
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Demigod Mac

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Can still be done if you option-boot from the Windows installer DVD or USB drive and have a partition or dedicated drive ready to go.
 
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AnimeFunTv

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Can still be done if you option-boot from the Windows installer DVD or USB drive and have a partition or dedicated drive ready to go.
i don't have any windows partition installed, i wanted to see what version of windows bootcamp would install when I found the prompt saying that my MacPro isn't supported.
 
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h9826790

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i don't have any windows partition installed, i wanted to see what version of windows bootcamp would install when I found the prompt saying that my MacPro isn't supported.
1) of course there is no Windows partition yet, otherwise, why run Bootcamp to install Windows?

2) there is absolutely no need to touch bootcamp at all no matter you want to partition a hard drive, download the bootcamp driver package, or install Windows.

3) you can install whatever Windows version you want natively. It is bootcamp limited your option, not your cMP. Better simple ignore / avoid bootcamp.
 

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i don't have any windows partition installed, i wanted to see what version of windows bootcamp would install when I found the prompt saying that my MacPro isn't supported.
Bootcamp Assistant doesn't support installing Windows 10 on a cMP 5,1 but it works flawlessly when done by option-booting the Windows installer from a DVD or USB drive.

Strongly recommend using the USB installer method as its EFI install boots Windows significantly faster than the BIOS emulation version the DVD installer will get you
 
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Bootcamp Assistant doesn't support installing Windows 10 on a cMP 5,1 but it works flawlessly when done by option-booting the Windows installer from a DVD or USB drive.

Strongly recommend using the USB installer method as its EFI install boots Windows significantly faster than the BIOS emulation version the DVD installer will get you
If you can option-boot you can also run the UEFI install from the Windows install DVD.
 

SystemHasFailed

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I'm affected by the same problem.. here's what I found:

The 2012 5,1 cMP has a chipset limitation.. they don't properly recognise anything over 2TB so what is needed to get around that is a boot-level patch in the EFI to be recognised. That patch interferes with large-volume support of APFS, so it has been removed.

There is no workaround other than to remove drives that are larger than 2TB from the system, reboot and see if bootcamp will start for you then. I haven't tried that myself yet.. if/when I do and it works I'll let you know.

Right now all you can do is go back to Hi-C or possibly go back to 2TB harddrives on yours system.
 
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CocoaNut

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I just ran into this myself, and I was (am) trying to migrate my HDD Bootcamp installation to an SSD with Bootcamp Assistant. I have 4x 1TB drives, two are SSD and two are HDD. So, I reckon, I shouldn't have any limitations...?

In the process, I would also like to re-install Mojave from scratch, as it's become too slow over the years, upgrade after upgrade after upgrade. (Got my cMP with 10.8). For reasons too long to explain here, I do NOT want to reformat my W10 partition, which is running fine.

Any suggestions?
 

bookemdano

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I just ran into this myself, and I was (am) trying to migrate my HDD Bootcamp installation to an SSD with Bootcamp Assistant. I have 4x 1TB drives, two are SSD and two are HDD. So, I reckon, I shouldn't have any limitations...?

In the process, I would also like to re-install Mojave from scratch, as it's become too slow over the years, upgrade after upgrade after upgrade. (Got my cMP with 10.8). For reasons too long to explain here, I do NOT want to reformat my W10 partition, which is running fine.

Any suggestions?
There is a dedicated forum here for all things Windows--suggest posting over there for more (maybe better) help. But basically what you want is WinClone by Twocanoes. It is purpose-built for moving Bootcamp partitions around.
 
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CocoaNut

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I've looked at WinClone, and it won't work for me. I'm not going to spend $40 on something I will use once and probably never again after that. That said...

Since I'm interested in reformatting my macOS partition anyway, do you think I could downgrade and reformat with High Sierra? I will upgrade to Mojave later.

Since HS contains a version of Boot Camp that will work on the cMP, would it though see my current W10 partition, and allow me to move it? Otherwise, I already have a cloning utility on Windows which I can use to move the partition from the current HDD > SSD.

Thoughts on this?
 

bookemdano

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I guess I could be wrong but my understanding is that Boot Camp Assistant will only create the partition. It won't move it around once created (that is one of the reasons why WinClone was created in the first place--because BCA is so limited in what it can do). Maybe others will chime in, but truly, if you want more help with this from boot camp experts you should repost in the Windows forum--you'll got more help there.

Also, I'm nitpicking, but saying WinClone "won't work" for you is not really an accurate statement. Indeed it will do exactly what you are seeking. It's just that you don't want to pay for it (which is fine, but you didn't stipulate that you only wanted free options in your post asking for suggestions).

I would say if you have a method to do it via Windows then just do it that way. I'm not aware of any free tools to do it on the Mac side. Just make sure you back up your data and partition scheme before you experiment.
 

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Time and time again I see (read) people struggeling with boot camp to install windows on a cMP (why people want to install windows on a cMP is beyond me, but I guess it comes down to personal taste) I use VMWare-Fusion (version 11) to install what I want (def NOT Windows). And yes, you can use a physical hdd in vmware and yes its just as fast as installing it on a stand alone HDD if not faster; Here is a link how to do it; you'll be suprised about the results http://techrem.blogspot.com/2012/12/add-physical-disk-to-vmware-fusion.html

And btw I got full functionality of compiz (in my case I installed Mint (just to try))

My next try is using one of my NVMe's in VMWare-fusion, see how that is functioning.
 
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startergo

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Time and time again I see (read) people struggeling with boot camp to install windows on a cMP (why people want to install windows on a cMP is beyond me, but I guess it comes down to personal taste) I use VMWare-Fusion (version 11) to install what I want (def NOT Windows). And yes, you can use a physical hdd in vmware and yes its just as fast as installing it on a stand alone HDD if not faster; Here is a link how to do it; you'll be suprised about the results http://techrem.blogspot.com/2012/12/add-physical-disk-to-vmware-fusion.html

And btw I got full functionality of compiz (in my case I installed Mint (just to try))

My next try is using one of my NVMe's in VMWare-fusion, see how that is functioning.
It is not only about HDD or NVME. Basically, you need passthrough of the PCIE devices to get the full potential of the hardware which is not so easy, mainly the GPU card, but also RAID cards, NVME, USB3Gen 2 cards, 10GB ethernet cards etc.
 

CocoaNut

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Also, I'm nitpicking, but saying WinClone "won't work" for you is not really an accurate statement. Indeed it will do exactly what you are seeking. It's just that you don't want to pay for it (which is fine, but you didn't stipulate that you only wanted free options in your post asking for suggestions).
Thanks for pointing that out, but indeed WinClone does not work for me, in the sense that I think spending $40 on something I will most likely only use once is a waste of money. I specifically didn't ask for free tools because I'm open to solutions to get the job done. Could this involve a software program I am going to be using again in the future? Then spending money on it would make sense, and I would buy it. If my research leads me to the conclusion that WinClone is indeed the only way, then I will just have to take my bite and chew.

Time and time again I see (read) people struggling with boot camp to install windows on a cMP (why people want to install windows on a cMP is beyond me, but I guess it comes down to personal taste) I use VMWare-Fusion (version 11) to install what I want (def NOT Windows).
I'm sorry you don't like Windows, but I believe it's a great OS, and it works great on my cMP. The reason I have it installed is for my job since my employer provides certain software only for Windows. That's the reason why I don't want to reinstall the Windows partition (I would need to get IT involved for the license keys, etc.) as it would take simply too long before I'm productive again.
 

bookemdano

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Thanks for pointing that out, but indeed WinClone does not work for me, in the sense that I think spending $40 on something I will most likely only use once is a waste of money. I specifically didn't ask for free tools because I'm open to solutions to get the job done. Could this involve a software program I am going to be using again in the future? Then spending money on it would make sense, and I would buy it. If my research leads me to the conclusion that WinClone is indeed the only way, then I will just have to take my bite and chew.
Best of luck then
 

hfg

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I use WinClone every week to take a backup "snapshot" of my Windows installation, which then gets backed up with my normal OS X backup workflow.

It also comes in handy if you want to resize your Windows partition, or move to a larger drive if external. So it isn't a "single use-and-forget" purchase.
 

crjackson2134

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I use WinClone every week to take a backup "snapshot" of my Windows installation, which then gets backed up with my normal OS X backup workflow.

It also comes in handy if you want to resize your Windows partition, or move to a larger drive if external. So it isn't a "single use-and-forget" purchase.
I do the same except that I have drives I use specifically to store disc images of macOS, WIN, Linux drives. Then there’s a back up of that drive. Redundancy has saved me more than once, and so has WinClone.
 

iciconnect

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Bootcamp Assistant doesn't support installing Windows 10 on a cMP 5,1 but it works flawlessly when done by option-booting the Windows installer from a DVD or USB drive.

Strongly recommend using the USB installer method as its EFI install boots Windows significantly faster than the BIOS emulation version the DVD installer will get you
I've been running Windows for my cMP for many years while it was supported form the Boot Camp Assistant. Then in 2017 things changed to prevent the cMP 4,1 from running Boot Camp. So I found a work around from YouTube that involved flashing the PRAM. During so with its required software provided by the YouTuber helped to get my 4,1 to run Boot Camp again. Since my system was taken from a 4,1 to 5,1 status. So I was able to update Boot Camp Assistant to change my partition I had years prior. Then as of 2018 the cMP 5,1 was also placed on the chopping block as like the prior cMP's before it. Which didn't concern me since I had already created a Boot Camp partition years ago. However after the update to Windows 1903 something gone wrong with the boot up after the upgrade. I ran into blue screen issues and the startup repair that Windows 10 has wasn't able to solve the issue. Which lead to me scraping the partition and using a SSD.

These are capable machines so I don't know why Apple thought it was necessary to prevent them from updating. But since seeing the new cMP introduced this year it's clear what Apple's intent was targeted towards. That said MacOS Majove is the last supported OS for the 5,1 cMP. The next MacOS coming later this year has new hardware requirements. Something not stricken as form the Developers Beta yet. Apple will purposely required the software to check for components to make sure that neither the old Macs nor any Hackintosh builds will be able to install the final release. I believe the T2 chip might me that wrench!

FYI, If you have a PC ONLY Graphics Card (non Apple Graphics card) installed in your cMac Pro you will NOT be able to see the Boot Menu by holding down the Option key at startup. However you can select from with in MacOS from the Start Disk menu. Getting back to MacOS is where things get complicated with a Non Apple Graphics card. Flashing the PRAM becomes the only option. And Apple doesn't plan to fix Boot Camp for the cMP. So people like myself decided to go all in with WindowsOS. Truth be told Windows 10 version 1903 included all of the drivers for my 2009 Mac Pro that has been software flashed to 5,1 status. I didn't have to install a thing. For my installation to a larger SSD I removed all the hard drives and SSDs I had inside my cMP. All except the one I planned to have Windows 10 installed. Prior to the removal I reformatted the hard drive to Fat32 (which is very important). After the install all worked well. Only thing I done was update AMD software that controlled my MSI ATI Radeon RX580. I haven't had any issues and it's been nearly a week.
 

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Time and time again I see (read) people struggeling with boot camp to install windows on a cMP (why people want to install windows on a cMP is beyond me, but I guess it comes down to personal taste) I use VMWare-Fusion (version 11) to install what I want (def NOT Windows). And yes, you can use a physical hdd in vmware and yes its just as fast as installing it on a stand alone HDD if not faster; Here is a link how to do it; you'll be suprised about the results http://techrem.blogspot.com/2012/12/add-physical-disk-to-vmware-fusion.html

And btw I got full functionality of compiz (in my case I installed Mint (just to try))

My next try is using one of my NVMe's in VMWare-fusion, see how that is functioning.
Because some guys found a way to install and use Thunderbolt card in cMP by using windows thunderbolt driver hence system being boot from windows and switch to macOS. There are many control panels only made thunderbolt and cMP users likes to use them as well. So, help us get to it!
 

MIKX

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I use Win 7, installed on it's own spinner HDD = safer especially as I almost never, ever use Windows except when I have to EFI flash a GPU . . and .. if I do use Windows I disconnect from the internet for that particular session :p
 

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Time and time again I see (read) people struggeling with boot camp to install windows on a cMP (why people want to install windows on a cMP is beyond me, but I guess it comes down to personal taste) I use VMWare-Fusion (version 11) to install what I want (def NOT Windows). And yes, you can use a physical hdd in vmware and yes its just as fast as installing it on a stand alone HDD if not faster; Here is a link how to do it; you'll be suprised about the results http://techrem.blogspot.com/2012/12/add-physical-disk-to-vmware-fusion.html

And btw I got full functionality of compiz (in my case I installed Mint (just to try))

My next try is using one of my NVMe's in VMWare-fusion, see how that is functioning.
Still will de an emulation. No way.
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I've been running Windows for my cMP for many years while it was supported form the Boot Camp Assistant. Then in 2017 things changed to prevent the cMP 4,1 from running Boot Camp. So I found a work around from YouTube that involved flashing the PRAM. During so with its required software provided by the YouTuber helped to get my 4,1 to run Boot Camp again. Since my system was taken from a 4,1 to 5,1 status. So I was able to update Boot Camp Assistant to change my partition I had years prior. Then as of 2018 the cMP 5,1 was also placed on the chopping block as like the prior cMP's before it. Which didn't concern me since I had already created a Boot Camp partition years ago. However after the update to Windows 1903 something gone wrong with the boot up after the upgrade. I ran into blue screen issues and the startup repair that Windows 10 has wasn't able to solve the issue. Which lead to me scraping the partition and using a SSD.

These are capable machines so I don't know why Apple thought it was necessary to prevent them from updating. But since seeing the new cMP introduced this year it's clear what Apple's intent was targeted towards. That said MacOS Majove is the last supported OS for the 5,1 cMP. The next MacOS coming later this year has new hardware requirements. Something not stricken as form the Developers Beta yet. Apple will purposely required the software to check for components to make sure that neither the old Macs nor any Hackintosh builds will be able to install the final release. I believe the T2 chip might me that wrench!

FYI, If you have a PC ONLY Graphics Card (non Apple Graphics card) installed in your cMac Pro you will NOT be able to see the Boot Menu by holding down the Option key at startup. However you can select from with in MacOS from the Start Disk menu. Getting back to MacOS is where things get complicated with a Non Apple Graphics card. Flashing the PRAM becomes the only option. And Apple doesn't plan to fix Boot Camp for the cMP. So people like myself decided to go all in with WindowsOS. Truth be told Windows 10 version 1903 included all of the drivers for my 2009 Mac Pro that has been software flashed to 5,1 status. I didn't have to install a thing. For my installation to a larger SSD I removed all the hard drives and SSDs I had inside my cMP. All except the one I planned to have Windows 10 installed. Prior to the removal I reformatted the hard drive to Fat32 (which is very important). After the install all worked well. Only thing I done was update AMD software that controlled my MSI ATI Radeon RX580. I haven't had any issues and it's been nearly a week.
I tried to install windows 7 in a bootcamp partition on my Mac Pro 5.1 many times. No succes.
 
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