Bottled Water Causing Tooth Decay

[rainman::|:|]

I am only going to say this once, bottled water is astonishing waste of money, 10000% premium and substandard quality, when i get to work i will post an article if i can find it on bottled water, oh and i work for a water authority
We add things to water to make it healthy, fluoride is one of these things, having said that if you brush your teeth with flurodated toothpaste it probably won't help to much (read: do you all buy non-flurodated toothpaste becasue it might hurt you?), bottled water company's make a fortune of sub-standard products.

Wow! That's so great! So the chlorine (also toxic) in the water, the lead, mercury, heavy metals, pesticides, prozac, estrogen? You put all that in there because it's so healthy huh? Or would you say "fail to remove?" Tap is great because it has to be just under the EPA's rediculous limits for toxicity, I've seen tap water that was dark brown and had sand in it (we had to replace plenty of faucets and screens) that was perfectly "safe for drinking" according to tests. While i'll agree it's silly to spend $10/day on bottled water if you live in a good city, you barney have obviously not traveled beyond your own city, let alone country... There are many, many places in America that the tap is not drinkable.

I'm not even a big bottled water drinker-- i never buy it, although it's offered plenty of times a day, i have tap at home if I run out of sprite. But it really annoys me when people are anti-bottles simply because their city has decent tap water. Lucky you, come drink some silt and then argue.

And, for the record, why is fluoride the one drug we add to our water? Why not fortify the water with vitamins and minerals? Maybe we could put caffiene directly in it? I mean, if we're going to take away people's ability to choose what chemicals they put in their body...

 

[barneygumble]

Maybe the water is lovely to drink where you live.

London tap water is a bit ropy and leaves an aftertaste in your mouth... I use a water filter for drinking water at home -- makes a huge difference.

Actually i hate the taste of tap water, i grew up on rainwater which is completely differant to both bottled and tap water in composition, however for the last 4 years i have been subsisting on town water and am very slowly getting used to it, i still don't drinkl as much as i should, but leaving it in the fridge overnight improves the taste (all the chlorine comes out of the water)
perhaps if i can find the water quality figures for your area i could tell you why it sucks?

 

[barneygumble]

Wow! That's so great! So the chlorine (also toxic) in the water, the lead, mercury, heavy metals, pesticides, prozac, estrogen? You put all that in there because it's so healthy huh? Or would you say "fail to remove?" Tap is great because it has to be just under the EPA's rediculous limits for toxicity, I've seen tap water that was dark brown and had sand in it (we had to replace plenty of faucets and screens) that was perfectly "safe for drinking" according to tests. While i'll agree it's silly to spend $10/day on bottled water if you live in a good city, you barney have obviously not traveled beyond your own city, let alone country... There are many, many places in America that the tap is not drinkable.

I'm not even a big bottled water drinker-- i never buy it, although it's offered plenty of times a day, i have tap at home if I run out of sprite. But it really annoys me when people are anti-bottles simply because their city has decent tap water. Lucky you, come drink some silt and then argue.

And, for the record, why is fluoride the one drug we add to our water? Why not fortify the water with vitamins and minerals? Maybe we could put caffiene directly in it? I mean, if we're going to take away people's ability to choose what chemicals they put in their body...

Chlorine is toxin yor're kidding me, why do you think we use it, we use a toxin to kill the germs in water, or do you like E coli, crypto, giardia in your drinking water, as for all that other stuff ie lead that comes from corrosion in your house plumbing system, hot water system etc as for pesticides, there are stringent regulations on the use of pesticides in the local water cathment area

 

[highres]

Chlorine is toxin yor're kidding me, why do you think we use it, we use a toxin to kill the germs in water, or do you like E coli, crypto, giardia in your drinking water, as for all that other stuff ie lead that comes from corrosion in your house plumbing system, hot water system etc as for pesticides, there are stringent regulations on the use of pesticides in the local water cathment area

I am not sure what city you live in, but our tap water has been tested many times and been found to have exceedingly high levels of PCB's, heavy metals and agricultural pesticides, to name a few. As for flouride, there are numerous dangers:

He told us that the flouride added to our nation's water systems come from the super-phosphate fertilizer industry and contains lead, arsenic and radium, all of which are known to cause cancer. He explained how Water Departments buy tons of substance annually that can't be given away because it is classified as a toxic hazardous waste. He said, "Cities are supposed to accept that, if they pay 35 cents per gallon and they slap a new label on the container, this same toxic waste can be shipped untreated, directly from the phosphate fertilizer industry and on the truck-ride to it's destination it will magically be converted to a safe and desirable nutrient."

 

[rainman::|:|]

Chlorine is toxin yor're kidding me, why do you think we use it, we use a toxin to kill the germs in water, or do you like E coli, crypto, giardia in your drinking water, as for all that other stuff ie lead that comes from corrosion in your house plumbing system, hot water system etc as for pesticides, there are stringent regulations on the use of pesticides in the local water cathment area

Chlorine is great for killing things, so that does explain why we drink it, yes. Now, explain how my water heater is polluting the riverwater (that our city draws from) with mercury and estrogen? Because those things have been found in our tap water lately, and at the Water Works. Along with a lot of other things. More likely, it seems like city water systems have long been an invisible health hazard that are finally getting attention That has to include a review of why we're adding neurotoxins to our own drinking water.

And again, why just fluoride? Consuming it does nothing beneficial, the only benefit is from contact with teeth. So we'd be better off adding vitamin C to drinking water, then using stronger toothpaste once a day (in the USA, fluoride can only be so strong in toothpaste, as again it's poisinous, a toddler could kill himself with a big swallow of the strong stuff)... I was once put on a prescription toothpaste that was, as my dentist put it, "the same stuff you'd buy off the counter in Europe." So our little attempt to stave off tooth decay, which is mostly due to our own eating habits, is at best seriously misguided as it puts most of the fluoride in your stomach instead of your mouth.

More reading on PPCP's:
http://english.epochtimes.com/news/5-7-29/30599.html

 

[imaginfinity]

Fluoride - A Pesticide By-Product...

I have to agree with rain-man... and yes, I do actively seek out fluoride-free toothpaste. I just don't get why we first add sugar to every food (I'm currently on a sugar-free diet for medical reasons, and I was amazed to see that fish and vegetables were about the only sugar-free foods I could buy in a normal supermarket), only to have to add fluorides to combat the tooth decay caused by the sugar. If you want to find out more about fluoride's origin as a by-product of pesticide production (along with arsenic...) I recommend a look at http://www.suite101.com/article.cfm/fluoridation/105538

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[barneygumble]

Chlorine is great for killing things, so that does explain why we drink it, yes. Now, explain how my water heater is polluting the riverwater (that our city draws from) with mercury and estrogen? Because those things have been found in our tap water lately, and at the Water Works. Along with a lot of other things. More likely, it seems like city water systems have long been an invisible health hazard that are finally getting attention That has to include a review of why we're adding neurotoxins to our own drinking water.

And again, why just fluoride? Consuming it does nothing beneficial, the only benefit is from contact with teeth. So we'd be better off adding vitamin C to drinking water, then using stronger toothpaste once a day (in the USA, fluoride can only be so strong in toothpaste, as again it's poisinous, a toddler could kill himself with a big swallow of the strong stuff)... I was once put on a prescription toothpaste that was, as my dentist put it, "the same stuff you'd buy off the counter in Europe." So our little attempt to stave off tooth decay, which is mostly due to our own eating habits, is at best seriously misguided as it puts most of the fluoride in your stomach instead of your mouth.

More reading on PPCP's:
http://english.epochtimes.com/news/5-7-29/30599.html

As i said all of this is not the fault of the water authority is it, people are polluting the catchment aren't they Clearly the US has some very lax laws on dinking water standards, as for our water the ADWG (australian drinking water guidelines) states that the health guide for mercury is <0.001mg/l, our water is 0.0001mg/l . and how is your water heater polluting the source water, please tell me your sewage system does not flow back in their

 

[barneygumble]

Bottled water - A triumph in marketing

Article as promised, rainman where in iowa are you from and i will have a look at the water quality if i can find it!

 

[crazydreaming]

I knew this was coming.

I've always thought the whole bottled water thing was just a big marketing success. And I knew that bottled water doesn't include floride.

Funny stuff.

 

[rainman::|:|]

I'm in Des Moines right now. The town that I used to see sand in the water is Clutier (the hometown of another poster on here, actually) although their waterworks may have been overhauled by then (i hope!). I'm not really arguing for bottled water here-- which is indeed mostly marketing-- but if rigid filtration standards are used (which they probably aren't at today's water bottling facilities), it's healthier than tap water.

Admittedly I didn't realize you're Down Under, our water standards here are shabby, and our urban water centers are probably among the highest in PPCP in the world. But I still don't think the arguments for tap water fluoridation are valid, and I'll admit I wouldn't give a small child tap water. There are too many things going wrong with human health and development to assume tap water contamination (or forced contamination of fluoride) isn't at all related. And most of my objection here comes from your suggestion that "We add things to water to make it healthy, fluoride is one of these things". At one time they added Asbestos to things to make it Much Safer, and they said things just as foolhardy.

(btw my water heater doesn't backflow i was countering your argument that our own plumbing is where most water contamination occurs. While poor plumbing can definitely contaminate, the water coming in is already contaminated with thousands of chemicals.)

 

[Fukui]

Bottled water - A triumph in marketing

Article as promised, rainman where in iowa are you from and i will have a look at the water quality if i can find it!

Well, I can say "Yes" I do buy bottled water for the taste. And here in the states, it may not be as good as Australia, the tap water tastes pretty bad.

1) I dont want minerals from water, I get it from the food I eat.
2) I don't like ice water, so I'm not gonna cool my water in a fridge for a couple days just to kill the smell.
3) I like the taste, even in a high end restaurant I can tell the tap water even if its been "chilled," so thats just me.

Though I'm not one of those people that has to buy all those high end waters, I do appreciate the cleaner taste (brita filter comes close, but I still don't like the taste).

OTO, when I came back to Osaka (Japan) reciently I was surprised how good the tap water was compared to Cali, so I think it depends on where you live... I probably wouldn't buy bottled water there...

P.S I don't like home delivery water just for the same reasons outlined in that paper. Its true that bottled water is mostly marketing driven, but I still would feel safer (at least in the U.S) drinking it, just to avoid the other nasty chemicals that COULD/CAN exist in the tap... something that paper doesn't really address.

 

[0098386]

we had a massive storm here a few weeks ago now and the tap water was all muddy looking. i tried to have a bath but the water was just this horrible colour, had to totally drain the boiler! cold water was ok though so my guess is that my boiler collected the bad water?

had a shower instead that night and even then it smelt a little off.

haven't touched tap water since.

cant drink anything other than Volvic though. oh, and this Polish mineral water my parents brought back. all the other brands (even my local Buxton) tastes like poo

 

[camomac]

phew

im tap water all the way, always have been, and as long as the north west keeps it's act together, i always will be

by Northwest, I am assuming that you don't mean Oregon. Because Oregon does Not put floride in the water.

but i always drink bottled or filtered water anyways - i just like the taste better..

 

[barneygumble]

I'm in Des Moines right now. The town that I used to see sand in the water is Clutier (the hometown of another poster on here, actually) although their waterworks may have been overhauled by then (i hope!). I'm not really arguing for bottled water here-- which is indeed mostly marketing-- but if rigid filtration standards are used (which they probably aren't at today's water bottling facilities), it's healthier than tap water.

Admittedly I didn't realize you're Down Under, our water standards here are shabby, and our urban water centers are probably among the highest in PPCP in the world. But I still don't think the arguments for tap water fluoridation are valid, and I'll admit I wouldn't give a small child tap water. There are too many things going wrong with human health and development to assume tap water contamination (or forced contamination of fluoride) isn't at all related. And most of my objection here comes from your suggestion that "We add things to water to make it healthy, fluoride is one of these things". At one time they added Asbestos to things to make it Much Safer, and they said things just as foolhardy.

(btw my water heater doesn't backflow i was countering your argument that our own plumbing is where most water contamination occurs. While poor plumbing can definitely contaminate, the water coming in is already contaminated with thousands of chemicals.)

I had a long reply written out and then got the BSOD (bloody work computer) so i will be quick this time

Des moines water quality should set your mind at ease, the quality looks pretty good and you can even monitor the quality as you see fit

As for fluoridation there is lots of literature out there both for and against, make up your own mind, as for me a little fluoride isn't going to hurt seeing as we only increase the concentration of fluoride already in the water lots of fluoride on the other had

 

[barneygumble]

we had a massive storm here a few weeks ago now and the tap water was all muddy looking. i tried to have a bath but the water was just this horrible colour, had to totally drain the boiler! cold water was ok though so my guess is that my boiler collected the bad water?

had a shower instead that night and even then it smelt a little off.

haven't touched tap water since.

cant drink anything other than Volvic though. oh, and this Polish mineral water my parents brought back. all the other brands (even my local Buxton) tastes like poo

That seems unusual, perhaps some of the sediment in your boiler has been disturbed? if that is dirty and your cold water isn't that seems very strange what colour exactly is it. If you suddenly get lots of soft (few minerals) the scale that forms inside your hot water system may be dissolved and come out in your shower, did you manage to lather up a usual if so, it was most probably the sediment

 

[Stampyhead]

phew

im tap water all the way, always have been, and as long as the north west keeps it's act together, i always will be

Actually, tap water is more toxic than you may think, according to this and other articles I have read on the subject:
http://ag.arizona.edu/AZWATER/awr/july00/feature1.htm

Such drugs as antibiotics, anti-depressants, birth control pills, seizure medication, cancer treatments, pain killers, tranquilizers and cholesterol-lowering compounds have been detected in varied water sources.

I've seen articles on this not only from the US, but from Canada and the UK too.

 

[Les Kern]

Yeah, doesn't everybody know that water fluoridation is the most elaborately contrived communist plot to contaminate our precious bodily fluids?

Yeah. Next thing you know they'll say we have a mine shaft gap.

Brush your teeth daily. Have your teeth cleaned once a year at the dentist (with the floride treatment). Floss. Other than that you're fine. Drink your $8.00 a gallon bottled water like an idiot. Puts people to work.

 

[FelixDerKater]

In Europe most of the bottled water is carbonated. In Europe, many people have funky teeth. Is there a connection?

 

[mpw]

In Europe most of the bottled water is carbonated. In Europe, many people have funky teeth. Is there a connection?

No.

 

[Ugg]

yes, there are definitely those that avoid fluoridated water. Fluoride is technically a very, very potent neurotoxin, capable of killing in small amounts. In smaller amounts, it's good at keeping enamel strong, of course. But considering how much the rate of cancer, for instance, has risen since fluoridation's inception, you can't call fluoride-avoiders crazy... there's really no proof at all that it's not harmful over time.

personally i avoid tap mostly because it tastes bad here.

Fluoride is also used to treat overactive thyroids, or hyperthyroidism. So if you have an underactive thyroid or hypothyroidism like I do, fluoride will only make the condition worse.

I avoid tapwater at all costs and if I can't, I only drink filtered water.

Fluoride isn't necessary for most people, only those who have thin tooth enamel. For everyone else, proper oral hygeine and as BV rightly points out, avoidance of sugar are far more effective ways of controlling tooth decay.

Water fluoridation is one of the biggest scams ever foisted on humanity, along with mercury fillings.