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I just bought the Series 5 Nike edition. I’m really, really dissappointed. I can’t believe how bad the user experience is to me, compared to other Apple products. The watch is borderline unusable.

What they call an ”always-on display” is in fact a dimmed-out time display, when an app is running. With sunglasses on, I can’t see it almost at all. What I expected was an actual always-on display, with the content of the app I’m running visible.

Detecting the wrist movement does not work that well. When I’m riding a bike, I really have to try hard to make it detect the wrist movement to turn the ”always-on display” back on. And I can’t tap it with the gloves on, because it needs a finger for tapping! What’s that about, it has a movement detection, so why can’t I just tap the watch with gloves on?

It often shuts down apps. For instance, I’m using Sports Tracker to track an excercise. When I pause the training, it might randomly decide to just move it to background, stopping the excercise and deleting it. Number one rule for software is to my understanding, ”never ever delete user’s content unless requested”. Apple’s background garbage cleaner seems to work against that rule. Three times in two days I have lost an excercise, with two different apps I’ve tried. Seems a lot like the old days of iPad, when you lost stuff all the time because of garbage cleaning. I don’t know if the apps are handling the data wrong, but after all these years, it should just work.

The display is really dim. Even the brightest setting is way too dim for my taste. And it’s small. I have the 44mm version, and it’s very small compared to my other watches, which are by no means large in the world of watches. I think there should be a much, much bigger option available. That would also help with the battery, which is probably the cause for most of these issues.

These are the showstoppers for me, but there’s a number of other issues that are mostly just annoying. I don’t care about the activity tracking or any of the all-day usage functions. I would never consider using the Apple watch all-day, because I have other watches. For my purposes, I needed it for training and sleep tracking.

I considered getting a training watch, but was tempted by the Apple ecosystem, because I’m pretty deep in it. My mistake was that I believed it could compete with a purpose-built training watch like a Suunto, Garmin or Polar. After two days of use, I’ll probably just return it and get a proper training watch.
 
What would have made you think it compares to a training watch? It has never been in that class despite claims to the contrary. Although I own an AW, I use my Garmin 235 for training. Return the Apple Watch and buy an actual training watch.

I am being nice here, but I can guarantee at least one person is going to respond with a 'cool story bro' or a TLDR. Good luck with you next purchase.
 
What would have made you think it compares to a training watch? It has never been in that class despite claims to the contrary. Although I own an AW, I use my Garmin 235 for training. Return the Apple Watch and buy an actual training watch.

I am being nice here, but I can guarantee at least one person is going to respond with a 'cool story bro' or a TLDR. Good luck with you next purchase.

I have no other explanation, I just bought into the ads and cool training videos.
 
What would have made you think it compares to a training watch? It has never been in that class despite claims to the contrary. Although I own an AW, I use my Garmin 235 for training. Return the Apple Watch and buy an actual training watch.

I am being nice here, but I can guarantee at least one person is going to respond with a 'cool story bro' or a TLDR. Good luck with you next purchase.

I mean, I’m a pretty serious runner and it’s a fabulous training watch for me. WorkOutDoors is an amazing app with so much customization I could not ask for anything more out of an “actual training watch.”

OP, the things you complain about are not necessities to other people. I have never had the issues you speak of with any app, so perhaps it’s the app you’re using that has issues and not actually the watch itself. I’ve never lost an activity and I’ve used the stock workout app, WorkOutDoors, and Runkeeper. So return the watch if you don’t like it. Plenty of people do like it and get everything they need from it.
 
I can't imagine life without this watch. I've used an Apple Watch for years now. Many times I've written massive paragraphs at how this watch makes my life better. Definitely recommend making sure to look at all the features and see if any provide any benefit to you.

I've taken this watch to several countries, 12+ states, and wear it all day and all night long. I'm not a super runner or fit person, but this watch helps me in significant ways to get me to run, work out, and be a lot healthier if I didn't use it.

Being able to unlock my MBP without touching it, see the forecast for the next 5 days (carrotweather), and have my phone on permanent silence (no vibrate) - I get my calls notified by my watch buzzing - my watch also acts as my alarm clock. So much nicer than an audio alert.

I could write a lot more :)
 
I run between 450 and 600 miles per year and have used the Apple Watch for the last 2.5 years. It works well enough for me. The things that have me considering going back to a Garmin watch when this dies/breaks is downloadable Spotify songs/lists and the price. The Apple Watch keeps getting more expensive.
 
I can't imagine life without this watch. I've used an Apple Watch for years now. Many times I've written massive paragraphs at how this watch makes my life better. Definitely recommend making sure to look at all the features and see if any provide any benefit to you.

I've taken this watch to several countries, 12+ states, and wear it all day and all night long. I'm not a super runner or fit person, but this watch helps me in significant ways to get me to run, work out, and be a lot healthier if I didn't use it.

Being able to unlock my MBP without touching it, see the forecast for the next 5 days (carrotweather), and have my phone on permanent silence (no vibrate) - I get my calls notified by my watch buzzing - my watch also acts as my alarm clock. So much nicer than an audio alert.

I could write a lot more :)

I absolutely believe that if you use the watch day in, day out, it’s going to be beneficial and it’s going to provide useful health tracking and exercise goals and other features. I just find a lot of features necessary for me already in my iPhone. And since I like my other watches way too much, I’m never going to be an all-day user, which is where the Apple Watch shines.
 
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I use my AW5 with sunglasses all the time, never had an issue with the display brightness. You can adjust the brightness however. What do you get with a training watch over this for workout data?

I did see a cool Garmin watch the other day that had a solar powered display and a week long battery. That’s impressive but it cost thousands.
 
I mean, I’m a pretty serious runner and it’s a fabulous training watch for me. WorkOutDoors is an amazing app with so much customization I could not ask for anything more out of an “actual training watch.”

OP, the things you complain about are not necessities to other people. I have never had the issues you speak of with any app, so perhaps it’s the app you’re using that has issues and not actually the watch itself. I’ve never lost an activity and I’ve used the stock workout app, WorkOutDoors, and Runkeeper. So return the watch if you don’t like it. Plenty of people do like it and get everything they need from it.

I have to give the WorkOutDoors a try. However, my biggest gripe is the display, which is, in my opinion, too dim and not really always-on and not reacting well enough to wrist movement.
 
I kinda would like an always on display but AW5 was not significant of an upgrade for me. I’ve been tracking my workouts with the stock app for 4 years now and am very happy with AW. But it doesn’t work for everyone, luckily for you it sounds like you’re still in your return window
 
I just bought the Series 5 Nike edition. I’m really, really dissappointed. I can’t believe how bad the user experience is to me, compared to other Apple products. The watch is borderline unusable.

What they call an ”always-on display” is in fact a dimmed-out time display, when an app is running. With sunglasses on, I can’t see it almost at all. What I expected was an actual always-on display, with the content of the app I’m running visible.

Detecting the wrist movement does not work that well. When I’m riding a bike, I really have to try hard to make it detect the wrist movement to turn the ”always-on display” back on. And I can’t tap it with the gloves on, because it needs a finger for tapping! What’s that about, it has a movement detection, so why can’t I just tap the watch with gloves on?

It often shuts down apps. For instance, I’m using Sports Tracker to track an excercise. When I pause the training, it might randomly decide to just move it to background, stopping the excercise and deleting it. Number one rule for software is to my understanding, ”never ever delete user’s content unless requested”. Apple’s background garbage cleaner seems to work against that rule. Three times in two days I have lost an excercise, with two different apps I’ve tried. Seems a lot like the old days of iPad, when you lost stuff all the time because of garbage cleaning. I don’t know if the apps are handling the data wrong, but after all these years, it should just work.

The display is really dim. Even the brightest setting is way too dim for my taste. And it’s small. I have the 44mm version, and it’s very small compared to my other watches, which are by no means large in the world of watches. I think there should be a much, much bigger option available. That would also help with the battery, which is probably the cause for most of these issues.

These are the showstoppers for me, but there’s a number of other issues that are mostly just annoying. I don’t care about the activity tracking or any of the all-day usage functions. I would never consider using the Apple watch all-day, because I have other watches. For my purposes, I needed it for training and sleep tracking.

I considered getting a training watch, but was tempted by the Apple ecosystem, because I’m pretty deep in it. My mistake was that I believed it could compete with a purpose-built training watch like a Suunto, Garmin or Polar. After two days of use, I’ll probably just return it and get a proper training watch.

With regards to Sports Tracker, maybe it’s the app that’s the problem. I’ve been using Strava on the watch for 3/4 years daily and not had a problem like yours with Sports Tracker.
 
With regards to Sports Tracker, maybe it’s the app that’s the problem. I’ve been using Strava on the watch for 3/4 years daily and not had a problem like yours with Sports Tracker.

It might be. I was in Strava back in the day, so that’s definitely one option for me.
 
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I just bought the Series 5 Nike edition. I’m really, really dissappointed. I can’t believe how bad the user experience is to me, compared to other Apple products. The watch is borderline unusable.

What they call an ”always-on display” is in fact a dimmed-out time display, when an app is running. With sunglasses on, I can’t see it almost at all. What I expected was an actual always-on display, with the content of the app I’m running visible.

Detecting the wrist movement does not work that well. When I’m riding a bike, I really have to try hard to make it detect the wrist movement to turn the ”always-on display” back on. And I can’t tap it with the gloves on, because it needs a finger for tapping! What’s that about, it has a movement detection, so why can’t I just tap the watch with gloves on?

It often shuts down apps. For instance, I’m using Sports Tracker to track an excercise. When I pause the training, it might randomly decide to just move it to background, stopping the excercise and deleting it. Number one rule for software is to my understanding, ”never ever delete user’s content unless requested”. Apple’s background garbage cleaner seems to work against that rule. Three times in two days I have lost an excercise, with two different apps I’ve tried. Seems a lot like the old days of iPad, when you lost stuff all the time because of garbage cleaning. I don’t know if the apps are handling the data wrong, but after all these years, it should just work.

The display is really dim. Even the brightest setting is way too dim for my taste. And it’s small. I have the 44mm version, and it’s very small compared to my other watches, which are by no means large in the world of watches. I think there should be a much, much bigger option available. That would also help with the battery, which is probably the cause for most of these issues.

These are the showstoppers for me, but there’s a number of other issues that are mostly just annoying. I don’t care about the activity tracking or any of the all-day usage functions. I would never consider using the Apple watch all-day, because I have other watches. For my purposes, I needed it for training and sleep tracking.

I considered getting a training watch, but was tempted by the Apple ecosystem, because I’m pretty deep in it. My mistake was that I believed it could compete with a purpose-built training watch like a Suunto, Garmin or Polar. After two days of use, I’ll probably just return it and get a proper training watch.

A couple of thoughts, the always on display only works with Apple apps currently, or at least that is my understanding. You may want to try it using the built in workout app to see if that helps.

Also you mention the screen is always dim and I. Another area you mention wearing sunglasses? Are they polarized lenses? I used to have a problem with my iPad when I wore polarized glasses. It has something to do with the polarization. Wearing regular sun glasses didn’t cause the same issue. I’m not sure if the same thing applies to the watch but might be worth looking into.

Can’t help with any of the other issues although I would second the try another app suggestion. The o my time I have eve lost a workout was with the Nike run club app. I’ve never lost one with the built in app so the issue there might be the app you’re using.

All that being said, it does sound like you’d be better off with a different watch. The Apple Watch works perfectly for my uses but it’s not for everyone.
 
I run between 450 and 600 miles per year and have used the Apple Watch for the last 2.5 years. It works well enough for me. The things that have me considering going back to a Garmin watch when this dies/breaks is downloadable Spotify songs/lists and the price. The Apple Watch keeps getting more expensive.
I run 75 - 100 a week using the WoD app and it has done an excellent job. I don’t listen to music. For really long runs, I use my Suunto.

For what it is advertised as, the Apple Watch does a great job.

I think you will be disappointed if you move to Android, if you use the watch for more than exercise.
 
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I can't imagine life without this watch. I've used an Apple Watch for years now. Many times I've written massive paragraphs at how this watch makes my life better. Definitely recommend making sure to look at all the features and see if any provide any benefit to you.

I've taken this watch to several countries, 12+ states, and wear it all day and all night long. I'm not a super runner or fit person, but this watch helps me in significant ways to get me to run, work out, and be a lot healthier if I didn't use it.

Being able to unlock my MBP without touching it, see the forecast for the next 5 days (carrotweather), and have my phone on permanent silence (no vibrate) - I get my calls notified by my watch buzzing - my watch also acts as my alarm clock. So much nicer than an audio alert.

I could write a lot more :)

Slight hijack - will you continue to use carrot without any dark sky features?

I agree the Apple Watch is a great all around watch. I am a bit surprised if you enjoy wearing traditional watches most of the day that you wouldn’t buy a watch specifically designed for training. I think the Apple Watch is good for general fitness of the large percentage of the population. It’s a bummer you don’t care for it but go ahead and return it and get a part time watch that’s more geared to your lifestyle. Good luck!
 
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Slight hijack - will you continue to use carrot without any dark sky features?

I've found the accuracy of all the sources in Carrot Weather (dark sky included) to suffer greatly this year. Even Weather.gov (NOAA) has been less accurate than usual. I usually use accuweather in CarrotWeather. The developer of the app has stated that he plans on bringing NOAA to Carrot Weather - when that happens, I'll switch to it as a source.

I love Carrot Weather because the dev is active here, app works really well, gives me complications on my watch that I want, and isn't too expensive. One of the subscriptions I enjoy paying. I use it every day, multiple times a day.


Nothing like being able to twist my wrist slightly and see the forecast (highs, lows) for the next 5 days, when sunset/sunrise will occur, and the current temperature.

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Yeah, it's been warm here since the 15th. California has had blackouts and lots of heat.

Using my watch to play music on my AirPods while I waddle a 2 mile run has been nice too - no more iPhone strapped to my waist or arm and no wires.
 
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I agree the Apple Watch is a great all around watch. I am a bit surprised if you enjoy wearing traditional watches most of the day that you wouldn’t buy a watch specifically designed for training. I think the Apple Watch is good for general fitness of the large percentage of the population. It’s a bummer you don’t care for it but go ahead and return it and get a part time watch that’s more geared to your lifestyle. Good luck!

I had a training watch about five years ago. I gave up goal-oriented training, so I stopped using it at that time. Coming more and more back to sports, my plan was to get a decent training watch that detects heart rate from the wrist. Like I said, I’m pretty deep in Apple ecosystem, so I thought this would be the best choice for me.

I don’t need exact measurements, but I appreciate reliability and ergonomics. Based on my experience with other Apple products, I though the Apple Watch would provide me exactly those two things.
 
I had a training watch about five years ago. I gave up goal-oriented training, so I stopped using it at that time. Coming more and more back to sports, my plan was to get a decent training watch that detects heart rate from the wrist. Like I said, I’m pretty deep in Apple ecosystem, so I thought this would be the best choice for me.

I don’t need exact measurements, but I appreciate reliability and ergonomics. Based on my experience with other Apple products, I though the Apple Watch would provide me exactly those two things.

Sorry it didn’t work out for you. Still at least you’re not stuck with it. It’s definitely not for everyone.
 
Hmm, when I'm running with the workoutdoors app, as soon as i lift my wrist the app appears....

While sitting here typing my watch face is pointing to 11 o'clock and I can see the display is dim (AOD), turn my wrist slightly so the display is straight up...and its on.....

maybe yours has malfunctioned?
 
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Detecting the wrist movement does not work that well. When I’m riding a bike, I really have to try hard to make it detect the wrist movement to turn the ”always-on display” back on. And I can’t tap it with the gloves on, because it needs a finger for tapping! What’s that about, it has a movement detection, so why can’t I just tap the watch with gloves on?
If you have a phone mount, There is a popular iPhone app called cyclemeter. It can use apple watch as heart rate sensor.

Fitiv pulse can also show realtime heart rate etc. On the phone. It is a very good app, but unfortunately requires subscription after 14 days trial.
 
I had a training watch about five years ago. I gave up goal-oriented training, so I stopped using it at that time. Coming more and more back to sports, my plan was to get a decent training watch that detects heart rate from the wrist. Like I said, I’m pretty deep in Apple ecosystem, so I thought this would be the best choice for me.

I don’t need exact measurements, but I appreciate reliability and ergonomics. Based on my experience with other Apple products, I though the Apple Watch would provide me exactly those two things.

The Apple Watch oHR (4&5) is the best in class, if you want to move away from Apple prepare to be disappointed in this aspect. I would only consider using a chest strap with Garmin etc. as all their training algos rely on accurate HR
 
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