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Lyle
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First of all, congratulations on getting your learner's permit! But what is it that costs $20 to get? Bear in mind of course that I earned my driver's license about (cough) twenty years ago, but I'm pretty sure that the little book of rules from the Department of Motor Vehicles (DMV) was free. Is there more to it than that, these days?ham_man said:
crazzyeddie
macrumors 68030
Nuc
macrumors 6502a
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My opinion is that the US should implement something like UK does. I've seen to many retarded drivers in the US. I believe that they should have to go to a 2+ week intensive driving course that they have to pay ~$2-3k dollars for. Learn how to drive in adverse weather conditions such as snow, rain, etc. I believe that this would keep many people off the road and give them an incentive to actually learn how to drive instead of showing up for a few class and then taking the test. Driving should be a privilege that you have to work for.
What really drives me nuts is when they have the driving test in spanish! This is america people, if I moved to a different country I would learn the language and not be expected to have everything translated.
Anyways just my opinion.
Nuc
My opinion is that the US should implement something like UK does. I've seen to many retarded drivers in the US. I believe that they should have to go to a 2+ week intensive driving course that they have to pay ~$2-3k dollars for. Learn how to drive in adverse weather conditions such as snow, rain, etc. I believe that this would keep many people off the road and give them an incentive to actually learn how to drive instead of showing up for a few class and then taking the test. Driving should be a privilege that you have to work for.
What really drives me nuts is when they have the driving test in spanish! This is america people, if I moved to a different country I would learn the language and not be expected to have everything translated.
Anyways just my opinion.
Nuc
Stella
macrumors G3
There was a story that some TV stations in the states have begin Spanish language programmes.
Like it or not, your country will have to adapt to modern times, and if that means giving the Spanish language special attention, then so be it.
I do agree with you though on the whole ; if people immigrate to another country, they should damn well learn the native language. People should take the time to integrate into that country properly.
Anyway, getting back on topic.
I knew quite a few people who within two weeks of passing their driving test had crashed their car. This was before the UK driving tests got harder. Beforehand, the test was only a practical test that lasted less than 30 minutes. After the practical test, the examiner would ask you some high way code questions ( road law ). Even if the driver got ALL these questions incorrect, the examiner could not fail that person!!!
Fortunately, in the UK, driving tests have improved. Though, still too easy, compared to other countries.
Like it or not, your country will have to adapt to modern times, and if that means giving the Spanish language special attention, then so be it.
I do agree with you though on the whole ; if people immigrate to another country, they should damn well learn the native language. People should take the time to integrate into that country properly.
Anyway, getting back on topic.
I knew quite a few people who within two weeks of passing their driving test had crashed their car. This was before the UK driving tests got harder. Beforehand, the test was only a practical test that lasted less than 30 minutes. After the practical test, the examiner would ask you some high way code questions ( road law ). Even if the driver got ALL these questions incorrect, the examiner could not fail that person!!!
Fortunately, in the UK, driving tests have improved. Though, still too easy, compared to other countries.
Nuc said:
highres
macrumors 6502a
Johnny Rico said:
What an idiot, lame flame posts like this should be banned. Brilliant solution genius, lets put our kids in prison or better yet put them to death.
Whatever happened to "parental responsibility" or "parental supervision"? Where are the parents in all this? Criminalizing children and not looking at the real causes is a really medieval and neanderthal approach to solving social issues and problems.
If Johnny Rico actually had any intelligent opinions or perspective he wouldn't post such an idiotic reply.
JupiterTwo
macrumors 6502
Stella said:
The driving ban starts when they reach legal age, so it will apply from when this kid hits 17.
nbs2
macrumors 68030
something that might not be clear to the not so american among us.
Part of our federal system here is state control over driving. Each state has its own driving regulations (i.e. age, rules of the road, test, style of license, etc.). If I remember right, you can get somewhere around 70 points in UT, but only 12 in MD. But each issues a different number of points. And some don't issue points. MD, for example, allows a learners permit at 15y9m, but requires those that want a license at 16-18 to attend a drivers ed course, which isn't offered through the schools (but, the course are heavily regulated by the state). For the first year of driving, there is a provisional license that allows driving between 5am-12am. That can be exchanged for a full license afterone year. I can't remember if the provisional is issued to those getting their first license when over 18 (I doubt it). Each state can issue licenses at a different age. But, each state honors the decision of the other states. So, if I can drive at 14 in Montana and go to MD, I can still drive, even though I would not be allowed to if I was a MD resident. Make sense?
The important thing to remember in all this is that the US is built on a strong federal foundation, so the states (which until the Constitution was ratified were independent countries) retain a significant amount of power. It took the Civil War (War of Northern Aggression/Southern Independence for those in the southern US) for the federal government to secure its authority over the states in many matters. Indeed, until the 14th amendment, the Bill of Rights did not apply to the states. Of course many had the same rights in their state constitutions, but that's another matter. Anyway, now I'm off topic.
Part of our federal system here is state control over driving. Each state has its own driving regulations (i.e. age, rules of the road, test, style of license, etc.). If I remember right, you can get somewhere around 70 points in UT, but only 12 in MD. But each issues a different number of points. And some don't issue points. MD, for example, allows a learners permit at 15y9m, but requires those that want a license at 16-18 to attend a drivers ed course, which isn't offered through the schools (but, the course are heavily regulated by the state). For the first year of driving, there is a provisional license that allows driving between 5am-12am. That can be exchanged for a full license afterone year. I can't remember if the provisional is issued to those getting their first license when over 18 (I doubt it). Each state can issue licenses at a different age. But, each state honors the decision of the other states. So, if I can drive at 14 in Montana and go to MD, I can still drive, even though I would not be allowed to if I was a MD resident. Make sense?
The important thing to remember in all this is that the US is built on a strong federal foundation, so the states (which until the Constitution was ratified were independent countries) retain a significant amount of power. It took the Civil War (War of Northern Aggression/Southern Independence for those in the southern US) for the federal government to secure its authority over the states in many matters. Indeed, until the 14th amendment, the Bill of Rights did not apply to the states. Of course many had the same rights in their state constitutions, but that's another matter. Anyway, now I'm off topic.
Getting a license in the US is way too easy, and as a result, there are way too many terrible drivers out there. Take my driving test for example. The DMV was located on a busy road, so that's where the test started. In rush hour traffic. Off to a couple subdivisions where you don't go above 25, go back to the parking lot, parallel park, park the car in a regular parking spot, go in, get your license if you passed. No highway driving, nothing above 30mph really. The test doesn't even begin to scratch the surface of what you need to do to drive. They don't test you on merging in and off of a highway, changing lanes, how well you control your car at 60mph. Nothing.
Plus, in the US, if you take your test on an auto, you can still drive a stick. So you have these morons who never drove a stick before in their life rolling back and forth on hills trying to take off from a stop. Whenever I come to a stop on an incline and see a car that I have a feeling is a manual (like a sports car or something) I keep my distance because chances are, the driver's going to let the car roll back a good bit before getting it in gear and moving forward. Isn't it in the UK where you have to test on a stick to drive a stick?
Plus, in the US, if you take your test on an auto, you can still drive a stick. So you have these morons who never drove a stick before in their life rolling back and forth on hills trying to take off from a stop. Whenever I come to a stop on an incline and see a car that I have a feeling is a manual (like a sports car or something) I keep my distance because chances are, the driver's going to let the car roll back a good bit before getting it in gear and moving forward. Isn't it in the UK where you have to test on a stick to drive a stick?
mj_1903
macrumors 6502a
Getting a license in Australia is how all countries should do it.
First you can apply for your learner license at 16 years and to drive with that you must have a fully licensed driver in the car among other restrictions. Once you have completed 100hrs of driving (logged in a log book) and have held your license for 6 months then you can apply for your P1s (red Ps).
To get your red Ps you need to complete a driving test which is not easy at all. This license also has a bunch of restrictions but you can drive by yourself. After 12 months you can do a computer test which allows you to move onto P2s (green Ps).
Green Ps must be held for 24 months and then you can move onto your full license after a computer test.
All of the Ps have vehicle power , blood alcohol, restrictions, points restrictions, etc.
In my opinion it works well, you get good drivers out of the system with less deaths.
First you can apply for your learner license at 16 years and to drive with that you must have a fully licensed driver in the car among other restrictions. Once you have completed 100hrs of driving (logged in a log book) and have held your license for 6 months then you can apply for your P1s (red Ps).
To get your red Ps you need to complete a driving test which is not easy at all. This license also has a bunch of restrictions but you can drive by yourself. After 12 months you can do a computer test which allows you to move onto P2s (green Ps).
Green Ps must be held for 24 months and then you can move onto your full license after a computer test.
All of the Ps have vehicle power , blood alcohol, restrictions, points restrictions, etc.
In my opinion it works well, you get good drivers out of the system with less deaths.