Rather than boycott, the approach should be to purchase the CDs, open them, and then return them. Maybe then they'll get the picture...
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Rather than boycott, the approach should be to purchase the CDs, open them, and then return them. Maybe then they'll get the picture...
That's exactly what I plan to do. I will go and buy every copy protected CD, then return it. Then I'll go to the next store, open it, and return it, over and over. Tiring? yes. Vindictive? Yes.
What's to stop people from making analog copies and posting those?
Don't say Macrovision, there are plenty of sites that sell Macrovision disabled DVD players for about the same price as regular ones, and Macrovision cant stop them. THere will always be hacks around any copy protection system.
What's to stop people from making analog copies and posting those?
Don't say Macrovision, there are plenty of sites that sell Macrovision disabled DVD players for about the same price as regular ones, and Macrovision cant stop them. THere will always be hacks around any copy protection system.
As someone suggested on...
http://www.ipodhacks.com
...boycott all general Universal CD's, but buy the one's that are protected (we need to keep a list, somehow) and RETURN them. This will raise eyebrows and red flags. They had a sale and LOST it due to the CD being defective.
That's the best plan, and how I intend to proceed.
blakespot
http://www.ipodhacks.com
...boycott all general Universal CD's, but buy the one's that are protected (we need to keep a list, somehow) and RETURN them. This will raise eyebrows and red flags. They had a sale and LOST it due to the CD being defective.
That's the best plan, and how I intend to proceed.
blakespot
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strngwys
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those stupid little bastards
nothing makes a hacker more giddy then some huge corporation telling them "they can't do something" within a few weeks someone will have already made both A) a app that will play their cd's and B) a windows based app that will rip the audio to the "Scary" mp3 format. so instead of mac users having to purchase worthless coasters for their coffee table they will bypass the geniuses at Universal. nothing says ouch like 25 million music lovers "stealing" you music because you have given them choice. wtg Universal maybe next week you can introduce a cd that only plays during full moons.
nothing makes a hacker more giddy then some huge corporation telling them "they can't do something" within a few weeks someone will have already made both A) a app that will play their cd's and B) a windows based app that will rip the audio to the "Scary" mp3 format. so instead of mac users having to purchase worthless coasters for their coffee table they will bypass the geniuses at Universal. nothing says ouch like 25 million music lovers "stealing" you music because you have given them choice. wtg Universal maybe next week you can introduce a cd that only plays during full moons.
cd protection...
I believe the technology they'll be using is SafeAudio. It has been developed by Macrovision who's technology already protects DVDs against copy to VCRs.
CD's contain data to compensate and fix reading errors, so a little scratch on the cd won't make it unusable... This is very important because otherwise the slightest scratch would have the same effect as a "bad block" on a floppy or HD.
The protection consists of deliberately writing fake values in the "correction data", to trick the cd player into thinking it just went through an unrecoverable error.
When an error is unrecoverable cd players perform an interpolation so you don't "hear" the problem. This interpolation system is built in cd players or cd-rom drives, so the cd will play on either system as long as the cd is not read in data mode. (in PCs the music goes directly from the cd player to the sound card, without going through the computer's memory).
The protection is effective because when you rip a cd, the computer reads it in data mode and the cd player does not perform the interpolation. The result will sound like bursts of static in the music...
The problem with macs is that they read cd's in data mode only... That allows itunes to display its cute graphics, and implement an equalizer for example.
When you read a cd on the mac, it's like making a temporary rip of the cd... so you won't be able to play the cd on macintosh...
I believe it is a shame to deliberately introduce errors on CDs for despite what macrovision claims, it might alter the quality... It is like slashing a painting to make sure noone will steal it...
BOYCOT UNIVERSAL !
I believe the technology they'll be using is SafeAudio. It has been developed by Macrovision who's technology already protects DVDs against copy to VCRs.
CD's contain data to compensate and fix reading errors, so a little scratch on the cd won't make it unusable... This is very important because otherwise the slightest scratch would have the same effect as a "bad block" on a floppy or HD.
The protection consists of deliberately writing fake values in the "correction data", to trick the cd player into thinking it just went through an unrecoverable error.
When an error is unrecoverable cd players perform an interpolation so you don't "hear" the problem. This interpolation system is built in cd players or cd-rom drives, so the cd will play on either system as long as the cd is not read in data mode. (in PCs the music goes directly from the cd player to the sound card, without going through the computer's memory).
The protection is effective because when you rip a cd, the computer reads it in data mode and the cd player does not perform the interpolation. The result will sound like bursts of static in the music...
The problem with macs is that they read cd's in data mode only... That allows itunes to display its cute graphics, and implement an equalizer for example.
When you read a cd on the mac, it's like making a temporary rip of the cd... so you won't be able to play the cd on macintosh...
I believe it is a shame to deliberately introduce errors on CDs for despite what macrovision claims, it might alter the quality... It is like slashing a painting to make sure noone will steal it...
BOYCOT UNIVERSAL !
Did they remember ACD AP?
If the post above is true, then why not use, at least to listen, and then record out of course, use AppleCD Audio Player? It is still included, I think with OS 9.2, definitely with 9.1. I am pretty sure that it reads the files as music, which is why if it is open when you insert the CD, you get a generic CD icon(the Black & White pic of something, not really sure what) and all the files show as zero k, and are really just shortcuts;if you copy them to the HD and try to play them, it will ask to reinsert the CD. Problem (hopefully) solved. If that doesn't work, try http://www.petitionsonline.com
If the post above is true, then why not use, at least to listen, and then record out of course, use AppleCD Audio Player? It is still included, I think with OS 9.2, definitely with 9.1. I am pretty sure that it reads the files as music, which is why if it is open when you insert the CD, you get a generic CD icon(the Black & White pic of something, not really sure what) and all the files show as zero k, and are really just shortcuts;if you copy them to the HD and try to play them, it will ask to reinsert the CD. Problem (hopefully) solved. If that doesn't work, try http://www.petitionsonline.com
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One less customer...
As sent to UMG:
"This letter is in regards to UMG's upcoming release of 'copy-protected' CDs.
What are you guys doing? Where are you going with this? Okay, a few points I need to make. You are limiting your audience. How are you doing this? By instituting software encryption on CDs which will limit the amount of hardware these CDs can be played with. I have a Mac. Never even owned a PC. I wouldn't. I know a good product when I see one. I am willing to pay for the quality. When I hear good music, I pay to own a CD with that music pressed onto it, to have the ability to listen to it where ever and whenever and however I want. I'm able to make a backup of that by limitation of the license agreement which I am entering into upon purchasing the aformentioned CD. I used to make tapes all the time. I didn't want to hurt my CD. I wanted something durable. Now, in a more computer-infused time, tapes are redundant. I back my CDs up on my hard drive. I use an MP3 player, a Rio. It is great to ski with. Now, well, now I won't be listening to anything released by UMG because I won't be wasting my money on a function-limited product. Your signed artists will, eventually, notice this, and when their contract comes up for renewel, will they want to? Regardless of them signing, me buying the CD or you creating a more multi-platformed 'copy-protection', PC users won't care. There are a lot of PC users too. The more people, the better the chance that your 'copy-protection' is hacked. And ripped into MP3s, .wav's, real audio...whatever. Pirated. Distributed illegally.
And so all your 'copy protection' has managed to do is exclude a portion of your user base. Which means even less sales than this whole MP3 thing has caused you. Look for solutions, don't grasp blindly.
farewell!
one person never to buy CDs from UMG again."
This is the first time I will ever advocate this. Don't buy CDs, if you want the music, get the mp3 when your PC friend rips it using 'umg_hack.exe'. Hopefully if UMG doesn't take notice, its artists will.
As sent to UMG:
"This letter is in regards to UMG's upcoming release of 'copy-protected' CDs.
What are you guys doing? Where are you going with this? Okay, a few points I need to make. You are limiting your audience. How are you doing this? By instituting software encryption on CDs which will limit the amount of hardware these CDs can be played with. I have a Mac. Never even owned a PC. I wouldn't. I know a good product when I see one. I am willing to pay for the quality. When I hear good music, I pay to own a CD with that music pressed onto it, to have the ability to listen to it where ever and whenever and however I want. I'm able to make a backup of that by limitation of the license agreement which I am entering into upon purchasing the aformentioned CD. I used to make tapes all the time. I didn't want to hurt my CD. I wanted something durable. Now, in a more computer-infused time, tapes are redundant. I back my CDs up on my hard drive. I use an MP3 player, a Rio. It is great to ski with. Now, well, now I won't be listening to anything released by UMG because I won't be wasting my money on a function-limited product. Your signed artists will, eventually, notice this, and when their contract comes up for renewel, will they want to? Regardless of them signing, me buying the CD or you creating a more multi-platformed 'copy-protection', PC users won't care. There are a lot of PC users too. The more people, the better the chance that your 'copy-protection' is hacked. And ripped into MP3s, .wav's, real audio...whatever. Pirated. Distributed illegally.
And so all your 'copy protection' has managed to do is exclude a portion of your user base. Which means even less sales than this whole MP3 thing has caused you. Look for solutions, don't grasp blindly.
farewell!
one person never to buy CDs from UMG again."
This is the first time I will ever advocate this. Don't buy CDs, if you want the music, get the mp3 when your PC friend rips it using 'umg_hack.exe'. Hopefully if UMG doesn't take notice, its artists will.
Re: Did they remember ACD AP?
That would work with OS 9.x, but OS X ALWAYS reads CDs in data mode. Rebooting in MacOS 9 (or even maybe using classic) to listen music is NOT an acceptable solution to me...
That would work with OS 9.x, but OS X ALWAYS reads CDs in data mode. Rebooting in MacOS 9 (or even maybe using classic) to listen music is NOT an acceptable solution to me...
If you can play it, you can copy it.
Ok, if it comes out of my speakers, it would be plenty easy to record right into my digital camera, or digital player, record the music, and convert it to an aiff, and back to an mp3. if you can hear it, it can be copied. There is no way around it.
Ok, if it comes out of my speakers, it would be plenty easy to record right into my digital camera, or digital player, record the music, and convert it to an aiff, and back to an mp3. if you can hear it, it can be copied. There is no way around it.
nonrippable cd?
who cares about nonrippable. Boycott the music. They could develop a way to get us music that they could make a profit on. They insist on using the cd format which allows them the greatest profit. When they went from vinyl to cd the price jumped by 2 and never came down. And who do you think made the money? Dont believe it was the artist! The argument that they are protecting artist rights is hollow coming from an industry that systematically cheated artist/performers.
Listen to local performers from where you live and support them by buying their music which is usually at a price well below the commercial stuff anyway. Buy from the big guys (all 5 of them) when you have no other option. Truly supporting artists would be the best way to introduce a new genre to our shrinking world of musical entertainment choices. Thanks for your ear...
who cares about nonrippable. Boycott the music. They could develop a way to get us music that they could make a profit on. They insist on using the cd format which allows them the greatest profit. When they went from vinyl to cd the price jumped by 2 and never came down. And who do you think made the money? Dont believe it was the artist! The argument that they are protecting artist rights is hollow coming from an industry that systematically cheated artist/performers.
Listen to local performers from where you live and support them by buying their music which is usually at a price well below the commercial stuff anyway. Buy from the big guys (all 5 of them) when you have no other option. Truly supporting artists would be the best way to introduce a new genre to our shrinking world of musical entertainment choices. Thanks for your ear...
Missing the Point....DUH!
The article said that the cds will not work on and DVD PLAYER and what do most macs from the Original Bule and white G3's, G4's and Imacs have in them?... DVD players! Who cares about the .wma standards I think it wont work on PC's w/DVD player either.
Now i do disagree w/ universeral's implentation of the encryption standard, but i also do believe in the PERFORMER'S intellectual property rights. Yeah the big guys charge too much and the artist gets too little, but some body came up w/ the material and sold it so they deserve the cedit and the profit. Im a traind musician and my group makes money selling CD's of performances and fund raising. We dont copy or rip cd's because it is detremental to our pockets. So imagine if you dreated something and some one else made and sold or gave away your same product you'd be pretty miffed b/c it is hurting you. Just think about it with an open mind instead of reacting.
The article said that the cds will not work on and DVD PLAYER and what do most macs from the Original Bule and white G3's, G4's and Imacs have in them?... DVD players! Who cares about the .wma standards I think it wont work on PC's w/DVD player either.
Now i do disagree w/ universeral's implentation of the encryption standard, but i also do believe in the PERFORMER'S intellectual property rights. Yeah the big guys charge too much and the artist gets too little, but some body came up w/ the material and sold it so they deserve the cedit and the profit. Im a traind musician and my group makes money selling CD's of performances and fund raising. We dont copy or rip cd's because it is detremental to our pockets. So imagine if you dreated something and some one else made and sold or gave away your same product you'd be pretty miffed b/c it is hurting you. Just think about it with an open mind instead of reacting.
Universal is the largest music company in the world..
"Universal Music Group consists of record labels A&M Records, Decca Record Company, Deutsche Grammophon, Geffen Records, Interscope Records, Island Def Jam Music Group, Jimmy and Dougs Farmclub.com, MCA Nashville, MCA Records, Mercury Records, Motown Records, Philips, Polydor, Universal Records, and Verve Music Group." Universal website. Thats alot of music!! I guess they feel they have the weight to push this one thru, or the reserves incase it messes up.
"Universal Music Group consists of record labels A&M Records, Decca Record Company, Deutsche Grammophon, Geffen Records, Interscope Records, Island Def Jam Music Group, Jimmy and Dougs Farmclub.com, MCA Nashville, MCA Records, Mercury Records, Motown Records, Philips, Polydor, Universal Records, and Verve Music Group." Universal website. Thats alot of music!! I guess they feel they have the weight to push this one thru, or the reserves incase it messes up.
The way around that I've found
Toast Audio extractor...
Had an Elektra CD the other day... the Cure greatest hits... got around this protection. Encodes as an AIFF.... these can be converted. An extra step, but works.
These a great article in Entertainment Weekly a couple issues back called MP# the hard way. Talks all about this.
They've been doing this in Europe where CDRs outsell CDs. Protection keeps it from working in many slot loading, car, and high end systems.
And yes... I think they are morons....
Toast Audio extractor...
Had an Elektra CD the other day... the Cure greatest hits... got around this protection. Encodes as an AIFF.... these can be converted. An extra step, but works.
These a great article in Entertainment Weekly a couple issues back called MP# the hard way. Talks all about this.
They've been doing this in Europe where CDRs outsell CDs. Protection keeps it from working in many slot loading, car, and high end systems.
And yes... I think they are morons....
microserf?
microserf is the name some microsoft employees and certified microsoft techies call the company
steve ballmer may be ceo, but bill still resides as king and if he wants to pay below silicon valley market value like he does, he can very well do that and tell the rest to shove it
every year, there are legions of college graduates and trade school graduates from the microsoft schools totally willing to take the first thing they can find their hands on, even if its a $20,000 a year stint as an MCSE in redmond, washington at HQ (dice.com)
better off, just go to work for 'joe blow' computer components in san jose for 60k, that way you can pay your car off and your bragging rights will not be that you work for uncle bill in redmond, but that you are still a kid at 22 driving a lexus and wearing a rolex or better yet, buying a new G4 every six months or helping your dad build his restaurant or feeding the homeless...anything but working for king bill the monopolizer
not to cut bill down, he knows more about biz than anyone on earth
microserf is the name some microsoft employees and certified microsoft techies call the company
steve ballmer may be ceo, but bill still resides as king and if he wants to pay below silicon valley market value like he does, he can very well do that and tell the rest to shove it
every year, there are legions of college graduates and trade school graduates from the microsoft schools totally willing to take the first thing they can find their hands on, even if its a $20,000 a year stint as an MCSE in redmond, washington at HQ (dice.com)
better off, just go to work for 'joe blow' computer components in san jose for 60k, that way you can pay your car off and your bragging rights will not be that you work for uncle bill in redmond, but that you are still a kid at 22 driving a lexus and wearing a rolex or better yet, buying a new G4 every six months or helping your dad build his restaurant or feeding the homeless...anything but working for king bill the monopolizer
not to cut bill down, he knows more about biz than anyone on earth
Let's take a step back
OK, guys, let's take a step back here a second. First of all, Universal Music is a huge company. As a previous poster noted, there are many, many subsidiaries of Universal. I doubt that any single person will remember all of them when you go to the local music store, unless one plans on carrying a cheat sheet with them everywhere they go. (By the way, they will be buying more companies as their budget allows, better keep up to date.)
Secondly, UMG is at about a billion bucks bigger than Apple, depending on how you do the math. I'm guessing they figure that it's Apple that is going to be doing the change, not them. UMG is definitely the bigger stick in the music industry, and they get to make the rules as they see fit.
Finally, boycott schmoycott. Buy the music that works with your system, or the way you personally choose to spend your money. Supply and demand and the cash register will ultimately dictate what the market is willing to bear. If you get a hacker code, fine, hack away BUT DON'T STEAL MUSIC. Go ahead and buy the encrypted CD, break the code and store, but don't cheat those that are selling the product.
If you think that music is overpriced, and we're all getting ripped off, fine, that is your opinion and you have a right to it. But you know what? I happen to think that gas is overpriced and we're getting ripped off, but that doesn't mean I don't buy it, and it certainly doesn't mean I drive away without paying for it. Get real, you jackasses that think because it's not something tangible, you should be able to get it for free. It's stealing, and just because you think it's not worth what your paying, or you don't like the form it's in, doesn't mean YOU can rip it off.
UMG is simply trying to put an end to illegal distribution of their product because of the ever growing group of individuals who choose to ignore the fact that what they are doing is simply wrong. All walks of life are infected with this disease. People who wouldn't in their wildest dreams take so much as a stick of gum from the local five and dime, people with savings accounts hundreds of times the cost of buying the CD's, people who are willing to spend hundreds of dollars on the storage media, but won't spend the $12 for the original. IT IS OUR FAULT that this is happening. UMG has every right to do what it can to protect its investment in their product. The worst part is, for all of the downloads and illegal copying, there is probably very little that is being actually listened to. For example, a co-worker of mine apparently has made a hobby of collecting illegal copies of songs, and I forgot how many actual gigs he has, but we did the math, and if he listened to each song once in succession 24/7/365, he would not get through his collection before God decided to hit his 'stop' button.
So here's the real way to stop the encryption. NEVER download illegal copies of music. That's it. Simple, yet effective. It's just everybody has to abide by the rules. If everyone refuses to make illegal copies, I guarantee that the music industry will stop investing million$ into researching how to stop it. Maybe the cost of our CD's will even finally go down. (Oh, and by the way, if you buy the CD, copy it, and then sell the CD without deleting the copy, it's the same thing.) In the meantime, buy music from the bands that are both musically appealing to you, and actually work on the system you are using. There are thousands of artists and titles to choose from. I'm sure you can find enough to fill up your iPod.
As a final note, in case you were wondering, I do not work for: A recording label, studio, band, retail store, rep agency, distributor, or anything associated with the music industry, although I do play piano...but not very well...
OK, guys, let's take a step back here a second. First of all, Universal Music is a huge company. As a previous poster noted, there are many, many subsidiaries of Universal. I doubt that any single person will remember all of them when you go to the local music store, unless one plans on carrying a cheat sheet with them everywhere they go. (By the way, they will be buying more companies as their budget allows, better keep up to date.)
Secondly, UMG is at about a billion bucks bigger than Apple, depending on how you do the math. I'm guessing they figure that it's Apple that is going to be doing the change, not them. UMG is definitely the bigger stick in the music industry, and they get to make the rules as they see fit.
Finally, boycott schmoycott. Buy the music that works with your system, or the way you personally choose to spend your money. Supply and demand and the cash register will ultimately dictate what the market is willing to bear. If you get a hacker code, fine, hack away BUT DON'T STEAL MUSIC. Go ahead and buy the encrypted CD, break the code and store, but don't cheat those that are selling the product.
If you think that music is overpriced, and we're all getting ripped off, fine, that is your opinion and you have a right to it. But you know what? I happen to think that gas is overpriced and we're getting ripped off, but that doesn't mean I don't buy it, and it certainly doesn't mean I drive away without paying for it. Get real, you jackasses that think because it's not something tangible, you should be able to get it for free. It's stealing, and just because you think it's not worth what your paying, or you don't like the form it's in, doesn't mean YOU can rip it off.
UMG is simply trying to put an end to illegal distribution of their product because of the ever growing group of individuals who choose to ignore the fact that what they are doing is simply wrong. All walks of life are infected with this disease. People who wouldn't in their wildest dreams take so much as a stick of gum from the local five and dime, people with savings accounts hundreds of times the cost of buying the CD's, people who are willing to spend hundreds of dollars on the storage media, but won't spend the $12 for the original. IT IS OUR FAULT that this is happening. UMG has every right to do what it can to protect its investment in their product. The worst part is, for all of the downloads and illegal copying, there is probably very little that is being actually listened to. For example, a co-worker of mine apparently has made a hobby of collecting illegal copies of songs, and I forgot how many actual gigs he has, but we did the math, and if he listened to each song once in succession 24/7/365, he would not get through his collection before God decided to hit his 'stop' button.
So here's the real way to stop the encryption. NEVER download illegal copies of music. That's it. Simple, yet effective. It's just everybody has to abide by the rules. If everyone refuses to make illegal copies, I guarantee that the music industry will stop investing million$ into researching how to stop it. Maybe the cost of our CD's will even finally go down. (Oh, and by the way, if you buy the CD, copy it, and then sell the CD without deleting the copy, it's the same thing.) In the meantime, buy music from the bands that are both musically appealing to you, and actually work on the system you are using. There are thousands of artists and titles to choose from. I'm sure you can find enough to fill up your iPod.
As a final note, in case you were wondering, I do not work for: A recording label, studio, band, retail store, rep agency, distributor, or anything associated with the music industry, although I do play piano...but not very well...
Much more effective than a boycott
Don't boycott the universal sales; buy copies of each disc they release with the copy protection enabled, and return them immediately. The retailers are so nervous about this, that Universal is backing a full return policy for consumers for these cds at the outset. Dealing with a return costs several times as much as not selling a disc, so this is a much more focused way to express yourself.
VanderVecken
Don't boycott the universal sales; buy copies of each disc they release with the copy protection enabled, and return them immediately. The retailers are so nervous about this, that Universal is backing a full return policy for consumers for these cds at the outset. Dealing with a return costs several times as much as not selling a disc, so this is a much more focused way to express yourself.
VanderVecken
Bill Gates
I say we hang him.....them we kill him!!!
Although he is a genius, he sucks....period. I just have the feeling that he's trying to do as much as he can to have Microsoft monopolize the entire industry, and this is just another road he's taking since their last court battle.
I say we hang him.....them we kill him!!!
Although he is a genius, he sucks....period. I just have the feeling that he's trying to do as much as he can to have Microsoft monopolize the entire industry, and this is just another road he's taking since their last court battle.
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I have mixed feelings about this. I hate the fact that they are putting copy protection, but in all respects i understand that they are scared out of their minds about losing their recording empire. Since Apple is such a small market, we will reap the pain of the music industry's fear.
This is the list of labels that Universal Music Group controls as of today (from http://www.universalmusic.com)
interscope/geffen a&m
-almo sounds
-coolsville records
-dreamworks
-e plurbis unum
-flip records
-jake records
-nothing records
-outpost recordings
farmclub.com
island/def jam music group
-def jam
-king recordings
-murder, inc.
-roc-a-fella
-def soul
-island records
-rounder records
mca nashville
mca records
mercury nashville
motown records
the verve music group
-blue thumb
-chess
-commodore
-decca jazz
-grp
-impulse!
-priceless jazz
-swingstation
-verve
universal classics
-celtic heartbeat
-decca broadway
-iclassics.com
universal latino
universal records
-BIV10 records
-cash money records
-cherry entertainment
-mojo records
-pallas records
-republic records
-ztt records
universal music enterprise
-hip-q records
-universal special markets
-utv records
lost highway
I have mixed feelings about this. I hate the fact that they are putting copy protection, but in all respects i understand that they are scared out of their minds about losing their recording empire. Since Apple is such a small market, we will reap the pain of the music industry's fear.
This is the list of labels that Universal Music Group controls as of today (from http://www.universalmusic.com)
interscope/geffen a&m
-almo sounds
-coolsville records
-dreamworks
-e plurbis unum
-flip records
-jake records
-nothing records
-outpost recordings
farmclub.com
island/def jam music group
-def jam
-king recordings
-murder, inc.
-roc-a-fella
-def soul
-island records
-rounder records
mca nashville
mca records
mercury nashville
motown records
the verve music group
-blue thumb
-chess
-commodore
-decca jazz
-grp
-impulse!
-priceless jazz
-swingstation
-verve
universal classics
-celtic heartbeat
-decca broadway
-iclassics.com
universal latino
universal records
-BIV10 records
-cash money records
-cherry entertainment
-mojo records
-pallas records
-republic records
-ztt records
universal music enterprise
-hip-q records
-universal special markets
-utv records
lost highway
The world of copyright protection
Here is what I think.
If the media moguls in the world want to limit distribution of material to what they deem legal methods, go for it.
I haven't bought a cd in three years, not a single dvd, not a single video tape. Not even gone to a concert. Why? Because I'm sick of corporate greed. The cost of producing, manufactureing, distributing these things has went down. But the consumer cost has went up.
Metallic ,the band, a bunch a dick munchers, had thier start and were supported by free distribution, then they over greed, turned their back on the fans and the system that made them what they are today. Lars was the only rich kid in the bunch, and could afford to buy what he listened to. The others had to be making illegal copies off Lars' originals
How did it hurt them to let Napster alone. Distributing the music sells a butt load of other merchandise. And I bet most all the Metallic fans were still buying all that and the CD's. Plus like it was said At 18 bucks a CD that cost .11 cents to make and send to the store. The profit is there to cover any true illegal pirating
I couldn't find Metallic albums when they first made the scene. Back in the day when your retailers banned explicit material and pronography (where is Tipper Gore now?) it was hard to find bands like Slayer, Black Sabbath, etc. Thank God for friends who could find the stuff by paying to much from the import bin at the head shop/music store in the next city down the road. Those days are over. By the way it didn't stop me from buying my own copy when it did become available. Or not buy something that was total crap.
I would like Universal to have a money back policy on crappy products.
I Don't plan too buy any media (except software)any time soon, if I pay 1 buck or 100 bucks for a peice of media it is mine to use as I see fit. I can copy it a thousand different ways As long as I'm the only user. The media moguls want that to stop so they can charge you the consumer a repeating fee for the same source material.
Just stop buying into the grand scheme. YOu won't miss it after awhile. I killed my DSS subscription, it was hard a first, but my life is a whole lot better for it. I actually go outside and see daylight now instead of watching hours of worthless programming.
[Edited by zuffen on 12-19-2001 at 12:35 PM]
Here is what I think.
If the media moguls in the world want to limit distribution of material to what they deem legal methods, go for it.
I haven't bought a cd in three years, not a single dvd, not a single video tape. Not even gone to a concert. Why? Because I'm sick of corporate greed. The cost of producing, manufactureing, distributing these things has went down. But the consumer cost has went up.
Metallic ,the band, a bunch a dick munchers, had thier start and were supported by free distribution, then they over greed, turned their back on the fans and the system that made them what they are today. Lars was the only rich kid in the bunch, and could afford to buy what he listened to. The others had to be making illegal copies off Lars' originals
How did it hurt them to let Napster alone. Distributing the music sells a butt load of other merchandise. And I bet most all the Metallic fans were still buying all that and the CD's. Plus like it was said At 18 bucks a CD that cost .11 cents to make and send to the store. The profit is there to cover any true illegal pirating
I couldn't find Metallic albums when they first made the scene. Back in the day when your retailers banned explicit material and pronography (where is Tipper Gore now?) it was hard to find bands like Slayer, Black Sabbath, etc. Thank God for friends who could find the stuff by paying to much from the import bin at the head shop/music store in the next city down the road. Those days are over. By the way it didn't stop me from buying my own copy when it did become available. Or not buy something that was total crap.
I would like Universal to have a money back policy on crappy products.
I Don't plan too buy any media (except software)any time soon, if I pay 1 buck or 100 bucks for a peice of media it is mine to use as I see fit. I can copy it a thousand different ways As long as I'm the only user. The media moguls want that to stop so they can charge you the consumer a repeating fee for the same source material.
Just stop buying into the grand scheme. YOu won't miss it after awhile. I killed my DSS subscription, it was hard a first, but my life is a whole lot better for it. I actually go outside and see daylight now instead of watching hours of worthless programming.
[Edited by zuffen on 12-19-2001 at 12:35 PM]
Check this site
http://www.fatchucks.com/corruptcds/corrupt.html
has a list of all known cd's worldwide that are reported to include anti-ripping measures.
http://www.fatchucks.com/corruptcds/corrupt.html
has a list of all known cd's worldwide that are reported to include anti-ripping measures.
Universal
Here is a link to the universal publishing group web site. You can submit comments there....
http://www.umusicpub.com/
I did... a nasty one.. we all should
Here is a link to the universal publishing group web site. You can submit comments there....
http://www.umusicpub.com/
I did... a nasty one.. we all should
Ridiculous
This whole deal is just plain silly.
Consumers are NOT going to go out and buy new equipment to play these new crappy copy protected discs. I will not and will NEVER buy these discs. I have a $400 Toshiba dvd player that I use as my CD player at home. I have a shelf unit at work, and an in-dash cd player in my 2001 car. I 'aint replacing any of them.
And someone WILL hack the copy protection so it plays and can be ripped from a PC and a Mac, if only out of spite for this music industry crap. I mean seriously, how can they justify controlling every use of the music when the industry busts its ass to get their music played on the radio and MTV FOR FREE...for that matter, why haven;t they made music broadcasts (TV and Radio)unrecordable? Perhaps because they have some understanding that WIDE EXPOSURE and dissemination of music leads to its popularity? Which leads to sales? Evidently a thesis they have forgotten when it comes to digital use...
This whole deal is just plain silly.
Consumers are NOT going to go out and buy new equipment to play these new crappy copy protected discs. I will not and will NEVER buy these discs. I have a $400 Toshiba dvd player that I use as my CD player at home. I have a shelf unit at work, and an in-dash cd player in my 2001 car. I 'aint replacing any of them.
And someone WILL hack the copy protection so it plays and can be ripped from a PC and a Mac, if only out of spite for this music industry crap. I mean seriously, how can they justify controlling every use of the music when the industry busts its ass to get their music played on the radio and MTV FOR FREE...for that matter, why haven;t they made music broadcasts (TV and Radio)unrecordable? Perhaps because they have some understanding that WIDE EXPOSURE and dissemination of music leads to its popularity? Which leads to sales? Evidently a thesis they have forgotten when it comes to digital use...