Bring back "Save As"

[singhjeet29]

Although I think Apple's approach is a step in the right direction, so long as a file system is intact; I may need to keep files in multiple different locations and Save As is an integral part of that process.

The new approach is less streamlined and is an extra step (or two) in the process.

Versions, Duplication should still remain, but Save As can co-exist with them.

 

[kuwisdelu]

While I do like the idea of "Duplicate," there are definitely some major problems it can impose for some of us.

For example, if you have a very large document, and need to duplicate it, this will require using more than double the memory of the original document, which hangs the app if you're already choked on memory, where before you could have just done "save as".

I just had a 400 MB .txt file (I'm a statistician — I have some big datasets) open in TextEdit to test this out, on the off-chance Apple had implemented some nifty only-track-delta-changes-until-the-duplicate-is-saved magic. Something I need to do a lot for reading in data is to replace the Windows line breaks with true Unix line breaks, which simply opening and re-saving a plain text file in TextEdit will generally accomplish for me. However, I like keeping the original around for redundancy and safety, so I usually "save as". So I tried doing a "Duplicate" on this 400 MB .txt file and get a beach ball as TextEdit climbs from 400 MB memory to 1.3 GB, as dramatic paging happens, before finally going back down to 900 MB a minute or so later.

So if you're dealing with very large files, where you could have used "Save as" before, rather than Duplicate, you better remember to copy-paste the file in Finder instead.

 

[g-boac]

Is anyone else completely frustrated now that Apple has removed the "Save As" command from many of their applications (iWork, Preview etc)?

Thankfully there are work arounds, but if Apple thinks that having to go into the file menu, manually select "Duplicate" and then save the file is easier than selecting "Shift-Apple-S" then the company's recent success has obviously gone to their head.

So please join this poll and let me know whether I am alone in this thought, or whether Apple needs to take note.

Thanks for starting this thread - I couldn't agree more, and feedback sent.

 

[Gemütlichkeit]

"Apple's Vista" say what?

adapt to change or become redundant.

 

[reputationZed]

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I don't mind the new way of saving things, but would like to get the save as back

but please get rid of the auto saving of documents, this is driving me mad

What is it about autosaves that you dislike? I'm not challenging the fact you don't like it but saying "it's driving me mad" doesn't give much insight into why you don't like it.

 

[Gemütlichkeit]

You really just need to change the way you think about documents and spreadsheets.

instead of having multiple versions like before, you now have 1 version that you can save state as many times as you want.

if there's one "base" vernon you want to save, go ahead and save it there, then continue to work and you can always revert back to that base version in the in app time machine.

it's the exact same way as before, you're just now dealing with 1 document instead of multiple ones. This new one is actually better.

 

[iThinkergoiMac]

It can still work exactly how you're used to. When you save the first time, save it with .html. When you hit Cmd+S, it'll still save a new version; the only difference is you'll have the old versions, too, and it'll autosave as well.

Yes. Save As hasn't gone away, it's called "Save a Version" now. Other than the change of name it's the exact same thing.

EDIT: Apparently I completely misunderstood what that function does. The Duplicate command works, as others have mentioned. I wonder how this will turn out for applications like Photoshop where "Save As..." is used to convert filetypes.

Exactly. Office apps have been doing auto-recover saves for a while, which are quite different and far less destructive - they only hide away in case of a crash or similar, they don't constantly replace the file you're working with no questions asked, which is the new Lion way. Duplicating beforehand is indeed the new safe approach, but it's a pretty weird one IMO.

Lion DOESN'T just blindly save over all your previous changes. Every time it auto-saves it creates a version. So if you make a change you don't like, roll back to a previous version.

 

[kuwisdelu]

Yes. Save As hasn't gone away, it's called "Save a Version" now. Other than the change of name it's the exact same thing.

No, "Save a version" replaces save. It doesn't create a new file, just a new version. "Duplicate" replaces "Save as."

 

[iThinkergoiMac]

No, "Save a version" replaces save. It doesn't create a new file, just a new version. "Duplicate" replaces "Save as."

You're right, as I realized (see my edit above).

 

[Amberfool]

Yes. Save As hasn't gone away, it's called "Save a Version" now. Other than the change of name it's the exact same thing.

EDIT: Apparently I completely misunderstood what that function does. The Duplicate command works, as others have mentioned. I wonder how this will turn out for applications like Photoshop where "Save As..." is used to convert filetypes.

When you duplicate it doesn't do the same as duplicating a file in finder. What it does, is create a new document, copy and paste over everything from the old document and calls it 'old document' copy. Once you duplicate, press Command + S and your familiar save menu appears, from which you can edit the document name, and change the file type, just like with any unsaved document. 🙂

 

[AnneStuarto238]

But there is no shortcut/hotkey for duplicate 🙁

 

[paulsalter]

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What is it about autosaves that you dislike? I'm not challenging the fact you don't like it but saying "it's driving me mad" doesn't give much insight into why you don't like it.

Main reason, If I am trying something out in Preview (especially if its a photo), I never want the changes I make saved as this screws up Aperture/Lightroom as they don't like photos edited externally

I could give up using Preview for things like this, but its quick and easy to try something

Any other document I am working on, I like to have control over when I save it, many times I will not want to save what I am doing

Saving a Document is one of the basics of using a computer, IMO teaching people not to worry about saving is giving them a bad habit (at the moment) as not all software/os's support this

 

[digitalministry]

makes it very difficult to work with others

Save As is vital to my working together in our job-share: we both use Macs, and until now it has been straightforward to 'save as' a file onto the other person's desktop. The lack of save as makes collaborative working very much more fiddly. This is NOT an improvement!😡

 

[sidewinder]

Save As is vital to my working together in our job-share: we both use Macs, and until now it has been straightforward to 'save as' a file onto the other person's desktop. The lack of save as makes collaborative working very much more fiddly. This is NOT an improvement!😡

Come on....

Use "Duplicate" then use "Save..." to save it wherever you want.

This is actually better because when you use "Save As..." your copy is still open.

Scott

 

[vitzr]

Steve says it's the "Post PC Era" time to get used to Macs operating like Pads and Phones.

It's all part of Apples strategy to bring in new buyers, encourage users to rely on Apple to think for them, and vacuum more wallets 🙂

 

[digitalministry]

Completely messes up QuickTime

The Snow Leopard version of Quick time enabled you to trim and immediately save trimmed movie clips. Lacking Save as means that you have to rely on Export, you also have to re-enter the (new) name of the file, and the whole operation takes MANY TIMES as long. How can this be an improvement?

 

[MacRum2011]

I just want the "save' to be just like it was on SL - simple.

 

[bocomo]

When you duplicate it doesn't do the same as duplicating a file in finder. What it does, is create a new document, copy and paste over everything from the old document and calls it 'old document' copy. Once you duplicate, press Command + S and your familiar save menu appears, from which you can edit the document name, and change the file type, just like with any unsaved document. 🙂

the problem with that is that i now have two docs open, and also if i needed to do more than one Save As, i have to duplicate AGAIN and Save -- the first duplicate won't let me

really cumbersome

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main reason, if i am trying something out in preview (especially if its a photo), i never want the changes i make saved as this screws up aperture/lightroom as they don't like photos edited externally

i could give up using preview for things like this, but its quick and easy to try something

any other document i am working on, i like to have control over when i save it, many times i will not want to save what i am doing

saving a document is one of the basics of using a computer, imo teaching people not to worry about saving is giving them a bad habit (at the moment) as not all software/os's support this

+1

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Come on....

Use "Duplicate" then use "Save..." to save it wherever you want.

This is actually better because when you use "Save As..." your copy is still open.

Scott

how is that better?

the Duplicate is still open too

 

[sidewinder]

Come on....

Use "Duplicate" then use "Save..." to save it wherever you want.

This is actually better because when you use "Save As..." your copy is still open.

Scott

how is that better?

the Duplicate is still open too

It is better in the context of digitalministry's usage. Which, may be different than yours.

Some of you folks just can't handle change. Mac OS X 10.7 has changed how I work for the better. I looked at the new features and found ways to make them work for me. I have no desire to go back to 10.6.

Scott

 

[Kachadurian]

Some of you folks just can't handle change. Mac OS X 10.7 has changed how I work for the better. I looked at the new features and found ways to make them work for me. I have no desire to go back to 10.6.

Scott

Or, some of you don't understand the workflow of others. Versions are fine if you work alone on one computer. Or if you are comfortable with documents that are system dependent. It's the iPhoto model which is a disaster after a while and makes getting files out and archiving a nightmare.

If I want different versions, I will save them. This is the new Apple model: make things for stupid people who don't know enough to save their work. It's a good short term strategy, but I'm not sure it's good in the long run.

Tom

 

[scottsjack]

Some of you folks just can't handle change. Mac OS X 10.7 has changed how I work for the better. I looked at the new features and found ways to make them work for me. Scott

Ok, you look for ways to work the way Apple and Steve want to work. I'll look for ways to make a computer work the way I want to work. To each his own path. For me Snow Leopard works great and will for a long time.

 

[sidewinder]

Ok, you look for ways to work the way Apple and Steve want to work. I'll look for ways to make a computer work the way I want to work. To each his own path. For me Snow Leopard works great and will for a long time.

If we all thought like you we would still be using some version of MS-DOS and would not have the superior GUIs we have today.

S-

 

[Ashka]

Not really a problem just a different way of working.

Set a short cut for Duplicate in System Prefs > Keyboard > Application Shortcut > Duplicate.. I've set command shift D.. Seems to work OK.

Just move the curser to the top of the window to the right of the name and use the drop down to access Lock, duplicate, revert to last saved or browse all versions.
Once you access browse all version you can also delete the versions you no longer want.

I also like having the last 10 files available from the dock icon with click hold. Mine is set to 10 recent yours may differ.

Can't ever get away from Death, Taxes or Change.. best to just work with it. 🙂

 

[hmmm]

Well there're no point asking the Windows lot🙂

It all depends on what the market at large thinks.

MacRumors polls are cool and all, but they're an inaccurate sampling of the market. And I'm being kind here. 😉

 

[handel30]

Well, I had my first disappointing experience with auto save. Last night I closed a document. When I opened it today, the last words were missing. I have read that Lion saves every five minutes. Apparently if you close a document during those final five minutes before the document is saved, you lose your work. Now losing five minutes of work isn't as bad as losing half an hour of it by forgetting to save. But is there a way to get around this five minute window where everything you type is lost?