My brother is a force that seems to be hellbent on windows. This is what he is used to; an operating system that he has used his whole life. He likes the mac, but is not crazy about it. I am almost positive he could get used to the organization of the menu bars and dock if he just tried it out for a week or so. It truly is the easiest desktop system to use, and its going to get better with leopard. Here is what he uses a PC for and wants to buy a vista laptop for: Internet Chatting (AIM and YAHOO) Homework (microsoft office) Games (World of Warcraft and Warcraft 3) Music (very little but enjoys iTunes on PC) Thats all he uses a PC for. I am trying to convince him that a macbook is just fine for him. Is this true? Can he do some upgrades to make it super solid and future proof for at least 2 years? He feels that he needs a laptop with 4gb of ram and a 2.2 ghz core 2 duo (among other things) to be future proof. He is not taking into consideration, size, weight, operating system maintenance (spyware and antiviruses), and the overall portability of the unit. I am suggesting a macbook (black) with 1.5 or 2gb of ram. For his purposes and with the mac environment, he will be just fine. Can anyone help explain this point to my brother? Either by personal testimony and/or recommendations/facts that would prove my point?