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Don't you guys think this is getting a bit out of hand?

I see it's wrong but it just seems like this argument is going in circles.
 
iModFrenzy said:
Don't you guys think this is getting a bit out of hand?



I see it's wrong but it just seems like this argument is going in circles.
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Yes it is out of hands, and onto matthew's lap. He dug his hole too deep that time and now he can't get out.
 
Gamer9430 said:
Let's not forget that this thread was started because you wanted to illegally host software on your website, later on you tried to cover yourself up by saying it was only a small section of your website, that's not what the title of this thread suggests...
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when was it stated it would be ILLEGAL software? MacTracker Leopard isn't illegal software, AppZapp isn't illegal either nor is WeatherBug Alert for that matter.

I may have said that keys are available for the AppZapper and CS2 software but never did i state they were provided on the site. as mentioned its not hard to do a internet search and find serial numbers for various software... once software is no longer supported it falls in the class of Abandonware. Adobe CS2 IS Abandonware, Leopard IS Abandonware, Tiger IS Abandonware, etc.
 
MatthewLTL said:
when was it stated it would be ILLEGAL software? MacTracker Leopard isn't illegal software, AppZapp isn't illegal either nor is WeatherBug Alert for that matter.



I may have said that keys are available for the AppZapper and CS2 software but never did i state they were provided on the site. as mentioned its not hard to do a internet search and find serial numbers for various software... once software is no longer supported it falls in the class of Abandonware. Adobe CS2 IS Abandonware, Leopard IS Abandonware, Tiger IS Abandonware, etc.
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This couldn't be more wrong. Windows XP isn't supported anymore and it is not abandonware. My source for abandonware is winworldpc.com and they specifically state the terms on what classifies software as abandonware. Maybe you should google that, too.

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Here Matthew, I Directly quoted what winworldpc says:

"In order for a piece of software to be abandonware, it must, as a general guideline:

Be over 7 years old.
Be out of support by the manufacturer.
Be mostly out of use by the general populace (abandoned)"
 
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Gamer9430 said:
This couldn't be more wrong. Windows XP isn't supported anymore and it is not abandonware. My source for abandonware is winworldpc.com and they specifically state the terms on what classifies software as abandonware. Maybe you should google that, too.

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Here, Matthew, since your Google skills are sub-par, I Directly quoted what winworldpc says:

"In order for a piece of software to be abandonware, it must, as a general guideline:

Be over 7 years old.
Be out of support by the manufacturer.
Be mostly out of use by the general populace (abandoned)"
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That falls into play with CS2 Tiger and Leopard as well as Windows 2000 your point is?
 
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Both still have software available for them on apple's website, thus in some way they are still supported. And it's 7 years after they are unsupported. Wikipedia says when they were not supported anymore, and it certainly is not 7 years, I don't think. And besides, Leopard is still used by just about every person on here, as well as anyone else who has a late and powerful G4 and G5
 
MatthewLTL said:
That falls into play with CS2 Tiger and Leopard as well as Windows 2000 your point is?
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Just because it isn't supported or sold anymore doesn't mean it's abandonware. IMO it should, but it doesn't.

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It's mainly when the copyright holder stops caring about it, or as in the case of some early Mac OS versions, releases it into the public domain.
 
Gamer9430 said:
Both still have software available for them on apple's website, thus in some way they are still supported. And it's 7 years after they are unsupported. Wikipedia says when they were not supported anymore, and it certainly is not 7 years, I don't think. And besides, Leopard is still used by just about every person on here, as well as anyone else who has a late and powerful G4 and G5
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Leopard is used by less than 1% of Apple users the only supported software is 3rd party. Apple provides downloads for OS 9 and 8.6 and maybe further back, Leopard was released in 2007 its now 2015 going on 8 years ago, apple no longer provides updates for anything power PC, Adobe took down th eactivation servers for CS2 and its well over 7 years old, All software I mentioned IS abandonware based on the definitions I have found.
 
MatthewLTL said:
Leopard is used by less than 1% of Apple users the only supported software is 3rd party. Apple provides downloads for OS 9 and 8.6 and maybe further back, Leopard was released in 2007 its now 2015 going on 8 years ago, apple no longer provides updates for anything power PC, Adobe took down th eactivation servers for CS2 and its well over 7 years old, All software I mentioned IS abandonware based on the definitions I have found.
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Not as long as Apple and Adobe care about it. Go ahead, put it on your website, but do expect a takedown request to come from both parties as doing that is still technically copyright infringement.
 
redheeler said:
Not as long as Apple and Adobe care about it. Go ahead, put it on your website, but do expect a takedown request to come from both parties as doing that is still technically copyright infringement.
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1st off leopard is not on my site its too big, 2nd adobe put universal serial keys for CS2 on there website there IS no activation server all you need is a apple ID they have nothing in place to verify the CS2 downloads are from legit owners there they have "Stopped caring for it" Apple has never had anything in place for OS X to verify it's legality either.
 
MatthewLTL said:
1st off leopard is not on my site its too big, 2nd adobe put universal serial keys for CS2 on there website there IS no activation server all you need is a apple ID they have nothing in place to verify the CS2 downloads are from legit owners there they have "Stopped caring for it" Apple has never had anything in place for OS X to verify it's legality either.
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It's different if all you planed to do was link to Adobe's website for CS2, although in the case of Leopard a link can still prompt a takedown request.
 
redheeler said:
It's different if all you planed to do was link to Adobe's website for CS2, although in the case of Leopard a link can still prompt a takedown request.
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How would I even provide a link to Leopard? AFAIK the only way to do that would be linking to an illegal torrent. I will not provide OS downloads on my personal website. That is a completely different kind of site for doing that. Perhpas my company website? funny latest version of OS X on that website is 10.2 wouldnt both 10.3 and 10.4 fall into the class of abandonware?
 
MatthewLTL said:
Leopard is used by less than 1% of Apple users the only supported software is 3rd party. Apple provides downloads for OS 9 and 8.6 and maybe further back, Leopard was released in 2007 its now 2015 going on 8 years ago, apple no longer provides updates for anything power PC, Adobe took down th eactivation servers for CS2 and its well over 7 years old, All software I mentioned IS abandonware based on the definitions I have found.
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The most recent OS Apple has put on their website for official download is OS 7.5.5(7.6 came after Steve Jobs came back onboard). 9.2.2 is there through a back-door work around that I'm not sure Apple intended to be available, but is none the less there. Even so, OS 7.6-9.0 are missing(8.1, 8.6, 9.1, 9.2.1. and 9.2.2 are all there as updates, not full versions, but these were always free).

BTW, Microsoft supported Windows 1.0 through 2001. They offer a "downgrade" option on current Windows licenses, and I'm pretty sure you could buy Windows 8.1 and request a copy of Windows 1.0(even though no one would do that, as legitimate copies are less expensive than Windows 8.1). I've recently heard of people doing just that when they needed a copy of Windows 2000.

I'm not a Microsoft fan, but they are much better about providing legacy support than Apple. We have an instrument computer in the lab running Windows 2000. I was cussing at it yesterday(not an easy thing to get out of me, but yesterday was one of those days) because I needed data from it and it wouldn't read any of my Mac-formatted flash drives.
 
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bunnspecial said:
The most recent OS Apple has put on their website for official download is OS 7.5.5(7.6 came after Steve Jobs came back onboard). 9.2.2 is there through a back-door work around that I'm not sure Apple intended to be available, but is none the less there. Even so, OS 7.6-9.0 are missing(8.1, 8.6, 9.1, 9.2.1. and 9.2.2 are all there as updates, not full versions, but these were always free).

BTW, Microsoft supported Windows 1.0 through 2001. They offer a "downgrade" option on current Windows licenses, and I'm pretty sure you could buy Windows 8.1 and request a copy of Windows 1.0(even though no one would do that, as legitimate copies are less expensive than Windows 8.1). I've recently heard of people doing just that when they needed a copy of Windows 2000.

I'm not a Microsoft fan, but they are much better about providing legacy support than Apple. We have an instrument computer in the lab running Windows 2000. I was cussing at it yesterday(not an easy thing to get out of me, but yesterday was one of those days) because I needed data from it and it wouldn't read any of my Mac-formatted flash drives.
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LOL I know that feeling trying to get it to read my Linux formatted HDDs or my OS X formatted flash drives.
 
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bunnspecial said:
I'm not a Microsoft fan, but they are much better about providing legacy support than Apple. We have an instrument computer in the lab running Windows 2000. I was cussing at it yesterday(not an easy thing to get out of me, but yesterday was one of those days) because I needed data from it and it wouldn't read any of my Mac-formatted flash drives.
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I've had strange problems reading HFS+ even on modern versions of Windows. I had to use a program called "HFS Explorer", but I doubt it's Windows 2000 compatible.
 
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MatthewLTL said:
Yes the "Fonts" gone onver were using red which I am no longer. I could use red if i choose as there is nothing against it however.

What I mean Is a site where people of MR can go to get some laughs, Listen so some music, Watch come Music Videos, etc... The download section will actually be a vary SMALL section. And in no relation to the theme of the website at all. I may even put some freeware or shareware game downloads on it haven't decided yet.

EDIT: I live by the motto "Why Buy what you can get for free"? Why pay for internet when I can use a public wifi hotspot and a long-range wifi antenna? Why pay for obsolete sofware when you can simply activate alreadly LEGIT copies with LEGIT serial keys? It's really about principal. I'm not the only one. Technically speaking using Torrents are illegal too. ISPs monitor them has nothing to do with if the software you download via torrent is legal or not. P2P files sharing in and of itself is Illegal. For example Why buy a retail copy of Leopard? It's obsolete you cannot buy it from apple anymore, and any secondhand copies you could buy would not benefit apple at all. By the logic of some of you people it would make it illegal to buy used software at all, it would make it illegal to buy used video games or consoles. Same aspect.
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Jeez... If you're going to make a website at least be original. Why would anyone visit your website? You woudn't be able to put music on there unless it was royalty-free, same with music videos. For any other videos you'd need permission from the creator. Why have downloads when there are dozens of reputable sites already made containing legal software?
It doesn't matter whether you think something is obsolete, the creator decides (in this case Apple). If the creator does not make it free to distribute, end of story. Age does not make something free. I'm sure many people think otherwise, but at the end of the day, what they think is irrelevant. Also, ISPs do not track torrents and do not take them as illegal activity. They track what websites you go to and know which websites are illegal (at least the most popular sites).

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MatthewLTL said:
when was it stated it would be ILLEGAL software? MacTracker Leopard isn't illegal software, AppZapp isn't illegal either nor is WeatherBug Alert for that matter.

I may have said that keys are available for the AppZapper and CS2 software but never did i state they were provided on the site. as mentioned its not hard to do a internet search and find serial numbers for various software... once software is no longer supported it falls in the class of Abandonware. Adobe CS2 IS Abandonware, Leopard IS Abandonware, Tiger IS Abandonware, etc.
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Read my post please. None of the software you have listed is abandonware. Who says it is?
 
keremtezcan said:
Jeez... If you're going to make a website at least be original. Why would anyone visit your website? You woudn't be able to put music on there unless it was royalty-free, same with music videos. For any other videos you'd need permission from the creator. Why have downloads when there are dozens of reputable sites already made containing legal software?
It doesn't matter whether you think something is obsolete, the creator decides (in this case Apple). If the creator does not make it free to distribute, end of story. Age does not make something free. I'm sure many people think otherwise, but at the end of the day, what they think is irrelevant. Also, ISPs do not track torrents and do not take them as illegal activity. They track what websites you go to and know which websites are illegal (at least the most popular sites).

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Read my post please. None of the software you have listed is abandonware. Who says it is?
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A: Music and Music videos can be added via youtube embedding.
B: The definition of of "Abandonware" says it is.
and ISPs DO Track P2P they are usually the 1st tracker or a hidden tracker on the list, do your research.
 
MatthewLTL said:
A: Music and Music videos can be added via youtube embedding.
B: The definition of of "Abandonware" says it is.
and ISPs DO Track P2P they are usually the 1st tracker or a hidden tracker on the list, do your research.
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Ok, abandonware doesn't mean free to download!
You're just bored and trying to do something with all your free time. Do something actually useful instead of irritating a whole forum with obvious questions and annoying typefaces!
 
redheeler said:
I've had strange problems reading HFS+ even on modern versions of Windows. I had to use a program called "HFS Explorer", but I doubt it's Windows 2000 compatible.
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I typically don't have issues with HFS+ on the Windows 7 computers in the lab. I've not installed anything on them, and I'm the only Mac user who works there who even knows enough to reformat a flash drive 🙄. I have one or two that are formatted HFS Standard for maximum OS 8.6/ 9 compatibility, although they can be a pain as they are read-only in anything newer than 10.6(I think). If I'm transferring files I've downloaded on my MBP(10.9) I often find myself transferring to an HFS+ drive and then using something running 10.5 to transfer from HFS+ to HFS standard.

In any case, I have one flash drive that I know is formatted FAT32, as that is generally pretty safely universal between Windows and Mac. Win2K seemed to object to the fact that I'd put Macintosh files on it, and refused to read it.

I had another that was blank, but I'd done some crazy formatting to make it bootable. I used Disk Utility on my G5 to partition it as FAT32/MBR, and the Win2K computer still wouldn't read it. I would have formatted it on the Win2K computer, but don't have an administrator account so couldn't do it. I ended up formatting on a Windows 7 computer, although the 8gb drive would only format as 200mb 🙄

I desperately needed my data, though, so just went with it. The files I need are .CSV(Comma Separated Value, basically an ASCII spreadsheet that will open in Excel as such) and are about 50kb each. 200mb is enough, and I'll reformat the drive once this stupid exercize in frustration is over(11 days and counting).
 
MatthewLTL said:
no i never actually admitted to pirating software at all. I simply said that it's possible not that it was being done. All I admitted to is using public wifi which in and of it self is not ILLEGAL because it is meant to be used by the public hence "free public wifi"

EDIT: even if i did pirate software It's not like I am the only one in the world or on MacRumors that would of done it for example. I generally use freeware and shareware if i have to but i prefer freeware.
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When you're in court you can't say 'oh everyone else does it so it's not my fault'
You just admitted to pirating copyrighted software.
 
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