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rhpenguin said:
Read it how the original poster intended it.. Basically hes saying, keep the price the same, add 256mb more memory and give users the option to remove that 256mb as a bto option.

Makes no sense to offer a downgrade as a BTO option. Let's offer customers the option of paying less and we get to open the box and do more work.
 
I'd also like an option to order a BTO mac with ZERO Ram out of the box ^_^

I don't really mind how many RAM Apple bundles with their computers, but I think that it looks a little bit like Apple is cheating when they send a 512 MB RAM equiped Mini to reviewers when it normally comes with 256 MB out of the box. I wonder if the reviews would have been as good if people tested it with 256 MB. Then again, maybe it'S just me... it usually is ;)
 
This is basically what Dell does to 'bump' its line from time to time. Nothing bad about it though. I for one think that Apple should be supplying machines with 512MB minimum and 1GB for the pro machines. And cut the crap - lets have it as one 512MB chip, not 2 x 256. A nice upgrade for the PB 12", for example, could be to up the soldered RAM to 512MB (up from 256) and thus leave the empty slot free so that getting to the magical 1GB RAM would only require purchase of a 512MB from crucial or whatever.. Mine is currently maxed out at 768MB (I'm not going anywhere near 1GB chips yet - too expensive!).

Apple needs to do it though anyway... Bottom of the line Dells are now coming with 1024MB RAM (double RAM free deals).
 
johnnyjibbs said:
Apple needs to do it though anyway... Bottom of the line Dells are now coming with 1024MB RAM (double RAM free deals).

I just checked dell.com and the botton-of-the-line Dell (Dimension 2400) only comes equipped with 256MB of RAM (and costs $50 to upgrade to 512, with no BTO option for 1GB)
 
I like the idea of the original poster to have downgrading the RAM as an option. The move to 512MB standard should come soon. I wonder how you all would feel about 384MB as the standard? Would that temporarilly satisfy most of you? My iBook with that much runs OK, it seems to me.
 
dejo said:
I just checked dell.com and the botton-of-the-line Dell (Dimension 2400) only comes equipped with 256MB of RAM (and costs $50 to upgrade to 512, with no BTO option for 1GB)
I admit that I saw that as an advert in a magazine at work today. Maybe it's expired now or you need a promotion code. On the website, you are right, bottom of the line (£300 machine) has 256MB RAM. But the £700 model contains 512MB RAM included and the £900 model has 1GB of RAM.

Here's a link to some of the double RAM deals.
 
miloblithe said:
I like the idea of the original poster to have downgrading the RAM as an option. The move to 512MB standard should come soon. I wonder how you all would feel about 384MB as the standard? Would that temporarilly satisfy most of you? My iBook with that much runs OK, it seems to me.

I guess 384 would work ok, I just think that 512 is better for 2 reasons:

a.) The more the better.

b.) 1 stick of 512 still leaves an avaibale slot for another stick of "x" for further expandablitiy, as opposed to using up both slot in a (1 x 256 & 1 x 128 = 384) configuration.
 
Actually, 256MB of RAM is plenty for many users. We have several machines with less than that and mere 266MHz G3 processors that run OSX 10.3.5 and most common applications without any problem. The most used applications are email and web browsing and you don't need a lot of power for those. Word processing and spreadsheets come next and they need even less RAM and processing power (CRU).

Yes, in my machine I have 1GB of RAM, but I like to have a dozen or more applications open at once and switch between them often. That is not the norm though. If you want that, pay extra. It is better for Apple to have a very low entry level price for a basic machine that will serve most people's needs. The Mac mini with 256MB is that machine.

Cheers,

-Walter
in Vermont

Thought for the day:

They say that "what doesn't kill you make's you stronger."
They fail to mention is that what doesn't make you stronger, kills you.
 
johnnyjibbs said:
I admit that I saw that as an advert in a magazine at work today. Maybe it's expired now or you need a promotion code. On the website, you are right, bottom of the line (£300 machine) has 256MB RAM. But the £700 model contains 512MB RAM included and the £900 model has 1GB of RAM.

well, you pay more and you get more RAM... what a concept! ;)
 
Lacero said:
Sheesh, I remember when 4MB was plenty enough for daily computing, and having 16MB was an ungodly amount of ram.

Well yeah, I remember when home computers didn't even exist. And we only had thirteen channels on tv, and we had to GET UP to change them...

Time marches on... :p
 
evilernie said:
and we had to GET UP to change them...

Not necesseraly. You could tape a cork at the end of a broom stick, carve an horizontal slit in the cork, and then use the resulting gadget as a tool to "remotely" change channel on old TVs. (One of my crazy inventions) I called this one: ":La Gérolde". It actually worked surprisingly well. I tried upgrading it by taping 2 broom sticks togeteher (for a theorical 10 foot reach) but it was too hard to use. (We didn't have carbon fiber back in those days)
 
I was in an Apple Store (Delaware) the other day...with $500 in my pocket and a strong desire to buy in a state where there is no sales tax. I've been running a 400mhz G3 with 10.2.8 and 192mb of RAM.

I expected all of the new machines, even the mini, to be blazingly fast compared to my 6 yr. old computer. They simply weren't. I know that there is probably a huge difference in the overall experience, they just didn't feel faster.

I was still ready to buy a mini until I checked the specs on the display models. Every display machine in the store had at least 512mb of ram.

If the display is an upgraded model, and even that doesn't quite feel right, the 256 mb standard is definitely not enough. If they won't even put a true standard model on display (I believe out of embarrasment), why do they offer it. The people who come in to switch are not going to like it when they find out that what they have at home doesn't even come close to what they used in the store, because they didn't spring for an upgrade (which the store wouldn't even have done on the mini at that time because they didn't have the kits in yet).

For the people who skim and then read the bottom line, there is at least one apple store in this country that won't even display a machine that has less than 512 mb of RAM, they shouldn't feel right about shipping them.
 
topher said:
there is at least one apple store in this country that won't even display a machine that has less than 512 mb of RAM, they shouldn't feel right about shipping them.

And Honda puts the Accord EX out on the showroom and car show floor, and they don't feel wrong about making the DX with less creature comforts, nor should they. It's just good marketing.

-Andrew
 
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