Hi Apple When Apple says the included Mac Pro drive can burn DVDs up to 16x, are they talking about using their own burning architecture (dragging data onto disk, and then dragging to the burn icon)? -- not, using Toast? I was using Sony 16x DVD media in Toast, and the fastest write time I saw was like 8x. I know it won't burn consistently at 16x, but at least a little faster would seem normal. Does Apple's advertised times not apply to other software. I guess I never really use the burning from the Finder technique -- it seems like it takes lots of extra time because first I have to drag & "copy" data I want to burn onto a DVD. Maybe this saves time somehow?