That isn't true anyone; Capture One Pro now supports external editing. How well it works, however, I dunno. I've only got the older version and haven't upgraded.
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Buy LR or Aperture now, or wait for Photos
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That isn't true anyone; Capture One Pro now supports external editing. How well it works, however, I dunno. I've only got the older version and haven't upgraded.
So with Capture One can you now set up Nik, Perfect Photo, Pixelmater...etc. as a plugin, invoke the plug and give it a PSD or TIF or raw file, get the edited image back and put the edited image beside the original that was sent to the plugin? As I remember....no.
They say:
Perform additional editing, retouching or photo manipulation in external applications with just a few clicks. When you are done the edited images will be saved right back into your session or catalog for future safekeeping. Future edits on those images will also be reflected and updates in the session or catalog.
In the past I'd have to resync the folder for C1P to find the edited image, and maybe even then some. I did see where someone had said he could use Nik with it, but I am also interested in the whole round trip workflow. I actually had complained about the need to select a folder to save the edit to every time; I suspect maybe that's all that really changed. But like I said, I haven't checked out this new "feature."
Let us all know what you find out. There are precious few details on the PhaseOne site about this....and exactly which plugins work with it. Personally I could care less about having PS or PSE as plugins. I am interested in Nik, Perfecto Photo Suite. I know others will be interested in Topaz apps and maybe others.
I don't think I'll be messing with PhaseOne anymore; looks about 90% sure I'm gonna be using DxO instead. But check this thread out:
http://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/3773070
DxO's products aren't alternatives to LR. They are more in the image processing realm, like Topaz, Nik, MacPhun, etc. The included browser is minimal, for use when you're running it as a standalone. In fact they come as plugins to LR. It would be sorta hard to use just DxO without something else to help organize photos. Hope Photos does come out that soon, but not holding my breath.
Hoping Photos picks up where Aperture left off. With plug-ins, Aperture filled my needs. Hoping the same with Photos. Most concerned with upcoming camera support...
Yes. My plan is to wait to look at Photos then to wait again until all the problems and bugs are mostly fixed. Apple's record has been VERY poor. Just look at the first release of the "new" iWork suite and the missing features or early releases of FCPX. Apple tends to release barely usable software at first then spend a year or so fixing it.
Aperture was great for a while, then Apple stopped work on it.
Buy LR. Apple Photos might end up been brilliant, but probably at a 2.0 release, if ever. LR 5 is brilliant now and it's not expensive.
I moved over from Aperture around a year ago and have no regrets. I couldn't imagine going back to Apple for photo management given how much they've neglected the pro photo market - they just have no strategy and this culture of secrecy might work for consumer products but in the real world people want to know about release cycles so they can make informed decisions.
Also for just under £9 a month (not sure what that is in $) I get LR and PS. I don't use PS that much, but it's good to have for the times when I do need it.
I moved over from Aperture around a year ago and have no regrets. I couldn't imagine going back to Apple for photo management given how much they've neglected the pro photo market - they just have no strategy and this culture of secrecy might work for consumer products but in the real world people want to know about release cycles so they can make informed decisions.
Also for just under £9 a month (not sure what that is in $) I get LR and PS. I don't use PS that much, but it's good to have for the times when I do need it.
Nobody knows much about it for now. I think it'll be midway between iPhoto and Aperture.
For advanced editing, I think Lightroom will still be better.
I think you are right. Think of DXO as a 3rd party replacement for LR's Develop Module. It can do its thing and end up with a DNG. Then you can use the DNG as the basis to send the file to plugins like Nik, Topaz, Perfect Photo Suite...etc.
That's the problem, we don't know what it will do. We saw some demo stuff once, briefly, but you know Apple and secrecy. Idiotic in this case, but that fact alone should be part of your purchase decision. Adobe is much more open which is rather scary. And with LR and all the other alternatives (AfterShot Pro, Capture One, Photo Mechanic, DarkTable, etc etc) have trial versions of some sort. Apple? no, and they are still selling deprecated Aperture to gullible sorts (at least iPhoto was free). And Apple hasn't upgraded Aperture in years and years; why would they put more effort into upgrading the "Photos" application? They didn't even have it available for the rollout of their retina iMac, when you'd think that that monitor combined with Yosemite would be the perfect debut platform.
So what can you do with Photos? Answer: wait and wait for it to show up and hope it works, and hope Apple supports it more than Aperture or Mobile Me, and that it's useful for more than iOS photos.
If you like iPhoto wait for Apple Photos
Bias disclosure: I'm an iPhoto then Aperture user. I now have LR because I had to get a CC subscription but haven't seen much that makes me want to use itespecially since it is so easy to roundtrip from Aperture/iPhoto to Photoshop. iPhoto is the same way. You may be best served in the short run by iPhoto and Pixelmatr (for the heavy edits).
iPhoto has shortcomings but the library/database is the same as Aperture and I believe Apple is delaying Photos because they DON'T want another FCP X. While I didn't like the Logic X upgrade it ruffled a LOT fewer feathers and I think is a sign that Apple is being a bit more careful about alienating pros while it goes after the lucrative prosumer market.
In my experience iPhoto is very stable until you get a vary large library. Starting now you won't get that big before Photos comes out and while I suspect it will have rough edges, I think it will be a very professional level foundation (albeit requiring a lot of 3rd party plugins to rival the tools or LRnotice how many existing Aperture plugins are now discounted?). Apple has already laid the ground work for this consumer/professional organization tools with the shared iPhoto/Aperture library.
So use iPhoto. Wait until Photos comes out. If you like the organizational tools it is free! And you'll only pay for the plugins/editing tools you need without the Adobe bloat & rental fees. If you hate it, then jump to LR and import your libraryremember it is the same library as Aperture which LR can now import natively.
No loss, low risk, and you potentially save $100s!
Bias disclosure: I'm an iPhoto then Aperture user. I now have LR because I had to get a CC subscription but haven't seen much that makes me want to use itespecially since it is so easy to roundtrip from Aperture/iPhoto to Photoshop. iPhoto is the same way. You may be best served in the short run by iPhoto and Pixelmatr (for the heavy edits).
iPhoto has shortcomings but the library/database is the same as Aperture and I believe Apple is delaying Photos because they DON'T want another FCP X. While I didn't like the Logic X upgrade it ruffled a LOT fewer feathers and I think is a sign that Apple is being a bit more careful about alienating pros while it goes after the lucrative prosumer market.
In my experience iPhoto is very stable until you get a vary large library. Starting now you won't get that big before Photos comes out and while I suspect it will have rough edges, I think it will be a very professional level foundation (albeit requiring a lot of 3rd party plugins to rival the tools or LRnotice how many existing Aperture plugins are now discounted?). Apple has already laid the ground work for this consumer/professional organization tools with the shared iPhoto/Aperture library.
So use iPhoto. Wait until Photos comes out. If you like the organizational tools it is free! And you'll only pay for the plugins/editing tools you need without the Adobe bloat & rental fees. If you hate it, then jump to LR and import your libraryremember it is the same library as Aperture which LR can now import natively.
No loss, low risk, and you potentially save $100s!
I'm currently testing LR5 for a possible switch from Aperture. For now I have downloaded the free 30-day test version of CC LR5. If I decide to stick to it I will purchase the retail version of LR (I refuse to rent my software).
BUT if you are planing to purchase LR, keep in mind that LR6 is about to be released in less that two months, and I'm not sure what Adobes policy is about free upgrades from recently purchased software.
BUT if you are planing to purchase LR, keep in mind that LR6 is about to be released in less that two months, and I'm not sure what Adobes policy is about free upgrades from recently purchased software.
I think they've got a 60 day window. I'd hold off long as possible. The only reason I bought mine last month was because I got a free 2TB hard drive for $109 along with my full copy of LR 5. Not a bad deal since I needed both. And I still have PS 6 as well as Pixelmator (which I really need to learn to use).
I'm surprised Adobe hasn't gave a preview yet for it's new features. I hope they are amazing because that's the only way I'll upgrade. I really don't see much they can do with it besides make it faster, but we'll see. If it goes monthly, then all bets are off.
They have a forum somewhere just for suggestions, and there are quite a lot on how to make it better, aside from speed.
And BTW we keep forgetting that there are even alternatives to the whole DAM thing; you can easily keep track of image files without a DAM, even an awful lot of them. Since photos hold metadata that's standardized, they are amenable to all sorts of structures in the Finder that would be problematic with regular non image files.
I have Adobe CC but I use Aperture. I am in a holding pattern until Photos is released as well. Unfortunately, Apple has a history of releasing software, like FCPX, and adding important features significantly later in time. Given that Photos will be Apple's only photo app, I am guessing that it will be closer to iPhoto than Aperture.
That's what Apple's silence would lead me to believe. If not, the level of incompetence (aka scaring pro/pro-ish users away by killing Aperture and not letting them about future plans) would be absolutely mind-blowing.