MP 6,1 Buy Mac Pro 2013 in 2019?

[Pro7913]

Im using Mac Pro 2010 and I feel that I need to get a new desktop since it might gonna die within 2 years. I do aware of its performance and design since I used Mac Pro 2013 from school for at least 4 years. If I need to get iMac base on what I need, it will cost around $3000~4000. The one that Im looking at is only under $1500. Quad-core, 32gb RAM, 1TB SSD, and more.

Im using Mac Pro for Capture One Pro and Photoshop. That's all. Im still thinking about using it for video but I doubt it since the cooling system isnt good enough as I had issued several times.

But anyway, Im thinking about getting Mac Pro 2013 if anything happens to my Mac Pro 2010 which I modified few parts by myself including GPU, RAM, SSD, and HDD. Oh well, I need to get an external HDD storage....

You may say why not iMac 2019? I don't have a proper job and that's the biggest problem. Do you think I should get Mac Pro 2013 or try to get iMac later?

 

[leon771]

I would build a PC as both of your software options are available on Windows.
Use your Mac Pro until it dies then replace.

I don't see the point wasting $1500 on a 6 year old machine.

If you prefer using MacOS, then build a PC that can be converted into a Hackintosh easily.

 

[majus]

I would not buy a used 2013 Mac Pro, or even a new one for that matter. In the case of the used one you don't know its history, so may be buying someone else's problems -- which you don't want in a computer. Buying new now is buying 6-year-old technology without any upgrade path, so that's a "no" also.

If you are really worried about your machine biting the dust, look around for a good 2012 Mac Pro and get that. In the case of that machine if it has any problems, at least it would be something you could fix yourself at a reasonable cost.

Bottom line though, is you wrote "might gonna die" which is true, but you don't know that for sure. Don't worry about what might happen; wait until it happens then deal with it then. You likely will save money that way too.

 

[Pro7913]

I would build a PC as both of your software options are available on Windows.
Use your Mac Pro until it dies then replace.

I don't see the point wasting $1500 on a 6 year old machine.

If you prefer using MacOS, then build a PC that can be converted into a Hackintosh easily.

PC is not an option since my workflow is optimized for macOS. I cant live without airdrop, macOS, Messages, Finder, and more. And I cant risk anything from Windows as I had a lot of optimization issue as I built my own PC before.

But I do wish to build PC since Mac has hardware limitation such as AMD CPU and Nvidia GPU.

 

[defjam]

PC is not an option since my workflow is optimized for macOS. I cant live without airdrop, macOS, Messages, Finder, and more. And I cant risk anything from Windows as I had a lot of optimization issue as I built my own PC before.

But I do wish to build PC since Mac has hardware limitation such as AMD CPU and Nvidia GPU.

You cannot live without? Or you prefer MacOS?

 

[SamPotts]

Have you considered the 6-core Mac Mini? I have a nMP with a 8-core 2667 upgraded CPU and love it as it's powerful enough for what I need it for and I can take it carry when I work remotely. However, if I was buying now I'd probably look at the new Mac Mini.

 

[Pro7913]

Have you considered the 6-core Mac Mini? I have a nMP with a 8-core 2667 upgraded CPU and love it as it's powerful enough for what I need it for and I can take it carry when I work remotely. However, if I was buying now I'd probably look at the new Mac Mini.

Mac Mini is not an option because of poor cooling performance. Also, it does not have a GPU inside.

 

[Pro7913]

You cannot live without? Or you prefer MacOS?

All of my files are base on MacOS. How am I suppose to change it? I cant risk anything. And I dont like Windows at all.

 

[SamPotts]

Mac Mini is not an option because of poor cooling performance. Also, it does not have a GPU inside.

That's a common Mac issue you'll find, including the iMac. I use "Macs Fan Control" to ramp up fan speeds. Are Capture One and Photoshop that GPU intensive? Probably not?

 

[Pro7913]

That's a common Mac issue you'll find, including the iMac. I use "Macs Fan Control" to ramp up fan speeds. Are Capture One and Photoshop that GPU intensive? Probably not?

At least iMac has a bigger case than Mac Mini. Also, Apple seems to dont care about Mac Mini in this day so I have no reasons to get it.

Capture One Pro requires a graphic card's power. This is why I got 15 inches instead of 13 inches. Photoshop is not that powerful software But you never know if I need a GPU or not. Oh well, I play games so I def need one and if I start editing videos, then def.

 

[orph]

the macmin has no 'heating' problems, if they where melting then apple will have had a big recal.

got to point out that most apple laptops have a recal on them at the mo but the macmin has been a stable computer for a long time..

and you always have the egpu option

any way i vote for the 27" imac DIY ram upgrades and a good display for photos, idk Capture One Pro well but so i dont know how well it used the gpu
the specks seem low tho and it's a still photo editor so i asume not much?

System Requirements

Microsoft® Windows® minimum requirements

• Intel or AMD CPU with 2 cores
• 8 GB of RAM
• 10 GB of free hard disk space
• Color calibrated monitor with 1280×800, 24-bit resolution at 96dpi screen ruling
• Windows 7® SP1 64-bit, Windows 8.1® 64-bit, Windows 10® 64-bit*
• Microsoft® .NET Framework version 4.7 (will be installed if not present)*Support for Capture One 12 on Windows 10 is supported for builds supporting .NET 4.7 – This is currently from Windows 10 Anniversary Update (build 1607) through to October 2018 Update (build 1809).

Apple® Macintosh® minimum requirements

• Intel CPU with 2 cores
• 8 GB of RAM
• 10 GB of free hard disk space
• Calibrated color monitor with 1280×800, 24-bit resolution at 96dpi
• macOS 10.12.6, macOS 10.13.6 macOS 10.14**Support for macOS 10.14 is supported for builds up to 10.14.1

But you never know if I need a GPU or not. Oh well, I play games so I def need one

ok so i asume you relay want a gpu for games?
thats cool but you do need to state that or people will not be able to give advice.
if you relay want to play games then you may relay want to look had at the macmin and a egpu or the imac 27" with upgraded GPU


o and try to get 32GB of ram or more

edit you dont want the 2013 macpro for games as the GPU is a tad old, but hay you can use a egpu with a 2013 macpro but the macmin will be faster with the same egpu so

 

[Pro7913]

the macmin has no 'heating' problems, if they where melting then apple will have had a big recal.

got to point out that most apple laptops have a recal on them at the mo but the macmin has been a stable computer for a long time..

and you always have the egpu option

any way i vote for the 27" imac DIY ram upgrades and a good display for photos, idk Capture One Pro well but so i dont know how well it used the gpu
the specks seem low tho and it's a still photo editor so i asume not much?

System Requirements

Microsoft® Windows® minimum requirements

• Intel or AMD CPU with 2 cores
• 8 GB of RAM
• 10 GB of free hard disk space
• Color calibrated monitor with 1280×800, 24-bit resolution at 96dpi screen ruling
• Windows 7® SP1 64-bit, Windows 8.1® 64-bit, Windows 10® 64-bit*
• Microsoft® .NET Framework version 4.7 (will be installed if not present)*Support for Capture One 12 on Windows 10 is supported for builds supporting .NET 4.7 – This is currently from Windows 10 Anniversary Update (build 1607) through to October 2018 Update (build 1809).

Apple® Macintosh® minimum requirements

• Intel CPU with 2 cores
• 8 GB of RAM
• 10 GB of free hard disk space
• Calibrated color monitor with 1280×800, 24-bit resolution at 96dpi
• macOS 10.12.6, macOS 10.13.6 macOS 10.14**Support for macOS 10.14 is supported for builds up to 10.14.1

ok so i asume you relay want a gpu for games?
thats cool but you do need to state that or people will not be able to give advice.
if you relay want to play games then you may relay want to look had at the macmin and a egpu or the imac 27" with upgraded GPU


o and try to get 32GB of ram or more

edit you dont want the 2013 macpro for games as the GPU is a tad old, but hay you can use a egpu with a 2013 macpro but the macmin will be faster with the same egpu so

I wouldnt get iMac at this point because the design itself is too old. Intel CPU is the biggest point that I dont wanna use Mac so much but gosh, Apple doesnt wanna change it.

 

[orph]

I wouldnt get iMac at this point because the design itself is too old. Intel CPU is the biggest point that I dont wanna use Mac so much but gosh, Apple doesnt wanna change it.

IDK what to say then in your first post you ask about getting a 2013 mp or imac, i gess if your budget is only $1500 then options are limited.

the 6 core macmin is in your budget and the ram is DIY upgrade (cheaper than paying apple for it) with the option to grab an eGPU

if your budget is limited maybe the best option is to keep using the cmp until it brakes and save up a tad more and see what new computers come out in the next 2 years, put the $1500 in to a saving account and add $10 a week and see what happens when you cmp dies ?
maybe get a GPU upgrade if you want to play games, an RX 580 is about £100 on ebay and a vega 56 is about £200 on ebay.

the intel thing is just not worth talking about, you want to use a mac you have the options apple gives you something like 90% of computers are Intel and work so ... IDK what to say

edit looks like intel has new cpu's out at the start of next year so maybe wait and see how they look

 

[The_Interloper]

I recently sold my Mac Pro 2013. FWIW, don't do it. It's 6+ year old tech at this point and out-of-warranty repairs will be horrifically expensive. Also, I was quickly frustrated with the quad-core; it's performance is pretty mediocre. I'd say even the base i3 Mac Mini is a better bet at this point as you're getting modern connections and faster everything - CPU/MB architecture, DDR4 RAM etc. Even the CPU will have QuickSync for speedy H264 rendering (not present in Xeons; outputting to MP4 was PAINFUL).

 

[defjam]

All of my files are base on MacOS. How am I suppose to change it? I cant risk anything. And I dont like Windows at all.

Both programs (Photoshop and Capture One Pro) are available for Windows and I would think both programs should read the file format of their alternate platform version. I know Photoshop does (I'll have to look into Capture One Pro as it looks like a program I might be interested in using).

I understand you may not like Windows but it is something to consider if Apple's current Macintosh offerings aren't suitable for you. That's why I asked if MacOS is something you cannot live without (thus forcing you into a Macintosh solution) or something you prefer (thus giving you the option of moving off the Macintosh platform).

As for purchasing a 6,1 it's a nice system for what it is. I'm happy with mine. I cannot say how it compares to the 5,1 for those two applications. However I would find it difficult to purchase one today for the prices sellers are asking. If you could find one at a decent price it may be worth picking one up.

 

[Pro7913]

edit looks like intel has new cpu's out at the start of next year so maybe wait and see how they look

I highly doubt about Intel since they keep using 14nm process for 1 or 2 more years base on their road map. Even they make new CPUs, they are still 14nm process CPU so I can not expect better performance while AMD is able to perform better than Intel after they announced Ryzen 2 series. I know that Intel is preparing both 10nm and 7nm but AMD is also preparing the 4th gen Ryzen which will have better performance than Intel 10nm base on the news.

Intel's CPU security issue is still out there and yet Intel is still not able to solve it.

 

[Pro7913]

Both programs (Photoshop and Capture One Pro) are available for Windows and I would think both programs should read the file format of their alternate platform version. I know Photoshop does (I'll have to look into Capture One Pro as it looks like a program I might be interested in using).

I understand you may not like Windows but it is something to consider if Apple's current Macintosh offerings aren't suitable for you. That's why I asked if MacOS is something you cannot live without (thus forcing you into a Macintosh solution) or something you prefer (thus giving you the option of moving off the Macintosh platform).

As for purchasing a 6,1 it's a nice system for what it is. I'm happy with mine. I cannot say how it compares to the 5,1 for those two applications. However I would find it difficult to purchase one today for the prices sellers are asking. If you could find one at a decent price it may be worth picking one up.

macOS is one of the reasons why I use a Mac. Window 10 is just too complicated and fragile if I start modifying the system, unlike macOS. I built PC before and I know this.

Even I get PC, it does not compatible with my HDDs cause they were formatted in APFS or Mac OS Extended. I tried to connect my HDDs and external SSD that I have to Windows 10 laptop but it doesnt even show up. How am I suppose to use it if it's not compatible?

 

[defjam]

macOS is one of the reasons why I use a Mac. Window 10 is just too complicated and fragile if I start modifying the system, unlike macOS. I built PC before and I know this.

Even I get PC, it does not compatible with my HDDs cause they were formatted in APFS or Mac OS Extended. I tried to connect my HDDs and external SSD that I have to Windows 10 laptop but it doesnt even show up. How am I suppose to use it if it's not compatible?

My recommendation would be to avoid modifying the system. Modifications can make any system unstable.

As for moving files there are several ways to move them. You could format an external drive using a filesystem that is compatible with both (such as FAT32 or exFAT), utilized USB drives, or share them across a network (to name three off the top of my head).

But it appears as if you're unwilling to move off of macOS so you're stuck with what Apple (doesn't) offer.

 

[orph]

ignore the 7nm v 14nm it's marketing talk, anandtech has some nice articles by Dr. Ian Cutress where they explain that no one measures things the same way so it's ~~~ not to be compared
even if AMD is on a smaller node there still losing to intel on 14nm
9900K v 3800x intel wins in most benchmarks if not all
AMD is cheaper but also at the mo zen 2 has lots of bugs

but relay that is all a distraction you just need to care about what is best for you at the time you buy and ignore the AMD V Intel thing

fun links-
Dr. Ian Cutress stuff

AnandTech | Articles by Dr. Ian Cutress

www.anandtech.com

David Kanter and gamers nexus

benchmarks in pro apps

Hardware Articles Archive

Archive of Puget Systems articles covering performance of computer hardware in various applications and workflows

www.pugetsystems.com

zen 2 drivers still full of bugs

r/MSI_Gaming

Official MSI GAMING subreddit. Operated and moderated by members of the MSI USA team. https://us.msi.com/

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Even I get PC, it does not compatible with my HDDs cause they were formatted in APFS or Mac OS Extended. I tried to connect my HDDs and external SSD that I have to Windows 10 laptop but it doesnt even show up. How am I suppose to use it if it's not compatible?

google helps or a search here

Apple HFS+ Windows Driver (Download)

These are the Read-Only HFS+ drivers that comes with Boot Camp. They can be installed on any matching Windows Vista, 7, 8, 8.1 or 10 machine without the need to install the Boot Camp package (and also easily removed if necessary). - Technically v6.0 should work on Vista/7/8 but it has not been...

forums.macrumors.com

Paragon Driver | Seagate UK

Get support information about the Paragon Drivers for external Seagate drives.

www.seagate.com

or grab it from in the imacpro bootcamp driver pakage

macOS is one of the reasons why I use a Mac. Window 10 is just too complicated and fragile if I start modifying the system, unlike macOS. I built PC before and I know this.

mac os is also fragile, there are a bunch of things that are relay not good to change in mac os, it's why the AVID computers all died last week

If you have a Mac Pro 6,1 running Avid MC, DON'T RESTART IT

https://9to5mac.com/2019/09/24/mac-pros-running-avid/ https://variety.com/2019/digital/news/avid-mac-pro-corrupted-hollywood-1203347033/ https://www.pcmag.com/news/370913/mac-pros-across-hollywood-are-crashing-refusing-to-reboot

forums.macrumors.com

any way i recommend you look for benchmarks of apps you want to use and compare them, maybe look at the buyer guide and see how long till a computer update https://buyersguide.macrumors.com/#Mac

edit
if you want i can find some more fun CPU links and the zen2 bugs will get fixed with time like they did with zen1 and zen1+
and as a side note im waiting for the zen 2 bugs to get fixed so i can make a new pc box for fun, just wont touch it till the bugs are gone

 

[Pro7913]

My recommendation would be to avoid modifying the system. Modifications can make any system unstable.

As for moving files there are several ways to move them. You could format an external drive using a filesystem that is compatible with both (such as FAT32 or exFAT), utilized USB drives, or share them across a network (to name three off the top of my head).

But it appears as if you're unwilling to move off of macOS so you're stuck with what Apple (doesn't) offer.

Im stuck in limbo.

 

[th0masp]

No need to overthink things - it's just a computer. If you are adamant about not switching to another OS and rule out the Mini or the iMac then the Trashcan it is. Since you say you have already used this type of computer you'll know what to expect.

One with D500's would be best I think - D700's are quite pricey. Also advisable to pick one from a later manufacturing date so you can reduce the risk of GPU gate which the early versions of this machine seems to have suffered from.
You can upgrade the CPU, SSD and RAM later if/when you need it and in my experience the prices are not high (anymore) for the type of RAM and CPU used in this machine. Pick up an eGPU later if you find you really need it - from what I've seen the gains can be quite marginal for hardware acceleration in applications though.

 

[MisterAndrew]

I like the 6,1 a lot. I think it’s a solid option. I like it better than my 5,1 I used to have. Feels ages newer. Get a new one from Apple or an authorized reseller and make sure to get AppleCare+. Don’t bother with an eGPU. It’s mostly unusable over the TB2 bus. If you really need GPU power get the D700s. FP64 performance is on par with the 7,1’s Vega II.

 

[opeter]

macOS is one of the reasons why I use a Mac. Window 10 is just too complicated and fragile if I start modifying the system, unlike macOS. I built PC before and I know this.

Even I get PC, it does not compatible with my HDDs cause they were formatted in APFS or Mac OS Extended. I tried to connect my HDDs and external SSD that I have to Windows 10 laptop but it doesnt even show up. How am I suppose to use it if it's not compatible?

I don't know, what you are doing, but my Windows 10 computer runs stable. I am using an ITX format case and motherboard.

Every software, I use, is available for Windows, Mac and some even for Linux, so I choose the platform that is cheaper for me.

 

[iluvmacs99]

Im using Mac Pro 2010 and I feel that I need to get a new desktop since it might gonna die within 2 years. I do aware of its performance and design since I used Mac Pro 2013 from school for at least 4 years. If I need to get iMac base on what I need, it will cost around $3000~4000. The one that Im looking at is only under $1500. Quad-core, 32gb RAM, 1TB SSD, and more.

Im using Mac Pro for Capture One Pro and Photoshop. That's all. Im still thinking about using it for video but I doubt it since the cooling system isnt good enough as I had issued several times.

But anyway, Im thinking about getting Mac Pro 2013 if anything happens to my Mac Pro 2010 which I modified few parts by myself including GPU, RAM, SSD, and HDD. Oh well, I need to get an external HDD storage....

You may say why not iMac 2019? I don't have a proper job and that's the biggest problem. Do you think I should get Mac Pro 2013 or try to get iMac later?

My advice to you would be..

Get a proper job first and build up a proper portfolio of your work, if that's the direction you're planning to be. Whether or not your Mac Pro 2010 is going to die or not is inconsequential when you don't have a proper job to pay the bills necessary to afford a newer more expensive computer. Shoe stringing from one computer to the next while struggling to keep up with the bills will never make you successful if you're free lancing for work.

A computer is just a tool and when I was working in the creative media field wearing many hats for 3 decades, I noticed far too many of the people of your predicament, who believe that you must own the best equipment and yet don't have the proper jobs to fund and pay the bills. Majority of them ended up credit insolvent -- meaning in debt and unable to pay onwards and still owe some amount for the tools they bought. Technically their computers own them; or the finance company own them.

Get a proper job and stabilize your income first. Just because you had the same swimming suit as Michael Phelps wore in his Olympic competition does not mean you'll swim as fast as him. On the same token; just because you use a Mac Pro 2013 in your school does not mean that you'll be guaranteed a high paying job working what the school told you might become. The school's mandate is to sell you a course and to over-promise you a dream, which is why you are preoccupied too much of your time dreaming on this or that computer and with very little reality thought on how you're going to get a proper job. Owning a Mac Pro 2013 or even a Mac Pro 2017 is not a license for getting a proper job. It's an opportunity; but truly it is you who has to work hard to get the proper job. Once you have a proper job, a proper income to support owning a better computer, then you won't have any issues deciding which computer you should own. You don't have to own a hand-me-down either since once you have a proper job and a proper income, you can easily afford the latest proper computer that you need, because you know it will help you make money and to keep your proper job.

 

[thisisnotmyname]

The grammar and spelling in this thread is atrocious.

Many people speak something other than English as their primary language. I'm sure their spelling and grammar in English are better than my spelling and grammar in their native tongue.