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Hello, I was looking into buying a new iMac and as I was researching I saw how the new iMacs could be coming out at any time. I’ll mainly be using photoshop on it. I’ve noticed how the new ones are rumored to not be able to upgrade the ram with aftermarket. Is this a deal breaker since Apple charges an insane amount for memory? It will be my first iMac. Thanks.
 
If you can wait this is one of the worst times to buy. any intel machine is going to be completely outdated and left in the dust when the new M powered iMacs come out. If possible hang in there.

either way if you do buy make sure it is SSD only and no fusion or spinning drives.
 
Only you can answer if it is a deal breaker or if you are willing to pay the Apple tax for RAM.

It's not as though this is a new problem. Most Mac models haven't allowed RAM upgrades for years now. Only the 27" iMac and Mac Pro made it easily accessible. The Mac Mini was possible but not considered user upgradeable. The 21.5" is possible but risky and difficult. As was the iMac Pro.

As the RAM is integrated on the CPU in the M1. It's likely other variants will do the same. Given the performance boost. Unless Apple does some hybrid arrangement with super fast RAM on the CPU and higher latency RAM upgrade slots. Assuming that is even feasible.

So your choices are
- Get an Intel Mac which is one of the upgradeable models and use it as long as you can.
- Pay the Apple tax for an Mx iMac RAM.
- Switch to Windows for Photoshop
 
Hello, I was looking into buying a new iMac and as I was researching I saw how the new iMacs could be coming out at any time. I’ll mainly be using photoshop on it. I’ve noticed how the new ones are rumored to not be able to upgrade the ram with aftermarket. Is this a deal breaker since Apple charges an insane amount for memory? It will be my first iMac. Thanks.
Deal breaker? Not hardly. It depends on how much you want. Apple is extremely efficient with RAM, so you probably need less than you think. But yes, it will cost more than buying your own on Amazon or somewhere, but it's worth it if you can afford it, IMO. If you want an iMac to last as long as possible, do not buy an Intel one now. Nothing wrong with them, but they won't be supporting them as many years and you won't be able to experience the full benefit of Apple's own chips. The extra $ you'd be paying for Apple RAM will be offset by the benefits. I'm waiting too and will be buying extra RAM. I'm typing this on a 2011 iMac that still works great. So I expect to get 10+ years out of my next one too.
 
Hello, I was looking into buying a new iMac and as I was researching I saw how the new iMacs could be coming out at any time. I’ll mainly be using photoshop on it. I’ve noticed how the new ones are rumored to not be able to upgrade the ram with aftermarket. Is this a deal breaker since Apple charges an insane amount for memory? It will be my first iMac. Thanks.
According to your needs, I would avoid the new M series iMac.
The user @velocityg4 has already answered you greatly.
Personally I would choice a renewed/used iMac 27-Inch i9 3.6 (5K, 2019).
Powerful machine with upgradable memory and storage.
 
According to your needs, I would avoid the new M series iMac.
The user @velocityg4 has already answered you greatly.
Personally I would choice a renewed/used iMac 27-Inch i9 3.6 (5K, 2019).
Powerful machine with upgradable memory and storage.
Where would you recommend me look at to check these out?
 
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If I were you I'd look around to see how people are working with Photoshop on the current M1 Macs. By some accounts, even the 8GB M1 Macs are consistently outperforming 64GB Intel Macs even running PS in Rosetta2, but still struggle with larger jobs. I would be surprised if the newer M1 iMacs don't have a minimum of 16GB RAM. The whole calculation about how much RAM you'll need is totally different now.

For the M1 Macs, you're not paying an "Apple Tax" for RAM. You're paying for the whole SOC, including CPU, RAM, graphics and SSD. Considering the performance boost, I don't think you can directly compare to the current Macs.

But don't take my word for it, I have neither PS nor an M1 Mac yet. There are plenty of reviews out there that cover performance.

My gut feeling is, unless you really need a new computer right now, you should wait. I think you'll regret not waiting.
 
I was in the same boat, bought a 16 GB Ram 1 terabyte Mac mini, running two screens. Love this damn thing.
 
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Only you can answer if it is a deal breaker or if you are willing to pay the Apple tax for RAM.

It's not as though this is a new problem. Most Mac models haven't allowed RAM upgrades for years now. Only the 27" iMac and Mac Pro made it easily accessible. The Mac Mini was possible but not considered user upgradeable. The 21.5" is possible but risky and difficult. As was the iMac Pro.

As the RAM is integrated on the CPU in the M1. It's likely other variants will do the same. Given the performance boost. Unless Apple does some hybrid arrangement with super fast RAM on the CPU and higher latency RAM upgrade slots. Assuming that is even feasible.

So your choices are
- Get an Intel Mac which is one of the upgradeable models and use it as long as you can.
- Pay the Apple tax for an Mx iMac RAM.
- Switch to Windows for Photoshop
They don’t have ram updates because we don’t need more ram. If you want more ram, use external storage. I think 128GB Max of Ram is perfect for Gaming and Editing.
 
You should definitely wait, if you can. There have been several indicators over the past few weeks that suggest the new iMacs will be released within the next couple of months.
 
If you can wait this is one of the worst times to buy. any intel machine is going to be completely outdated and left in the dust when the new M powered iMacs come out. If possible hang in there.

either way if you do buy make sure it is SSD only and no fusion or spinning drives.
I'm in the wait if you can camp too, but I think "left in the dust" might be overstating it a bit. Any modern Intel iMac is going to work just fine for Photoshop and most everything else, and will probably be a good working machine for at least a few years. I mean, people are using Intel Macs right now to edit 4K video, run recording studios, you name it. It's not like all that's going to stop working overnight just because new Macs came out.

I'd like to upgrade my 2014 iMac, and I have to say I'd probably pounce on a killer deal on an i9 or something, especially considering you can put in a ton of RAM so easily and cheaply.
 
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If you need to upgrade in the coming weeks, get the Intel-based iMac, especially if this is your first Mac and you're coming from Windows. Here are my thoughts as to why:

1) Apple's first custom-made chipset has really impressive performance, but the Intel-based systems are not slouches.

2) Nobody knows how long Apple will continue support for the Intel-based systems. When Apple first moved to Intel from the PowerPC-based systems, they continued support for the PowerPC systems three years after completing their transition and all systems were based on Intel. As of now, the iMac and Mac Pro lines are still on Intel. Rumors are that the iMacs will possibly shift to Apple's own chipset some time this year. The Mac Pro was last updated in December 2019 and there are no rumors as to when it will be updated, but it's not out of the realm of reality that it could also be updated this year. Assuming Apple follows the same time frame as it did with the PowerPC to Intel transition, Intel systems today are likely going to be supported for another 3-6 years, if not longer (because now there are more Intel Mac users than there were PowerPC Mac users).

2a) Even if Apple's support for Intel systems is shorter than anticipated, your computer won't stop working just because it's not on the absolute latest operating system.

3) You're coming from Windows. If you run an Intel-based Mac, you can ease yourself into the transition by purchasing Parallels or VMWare Fusion and running Windows as if it were an app. This lets you use all of your old Windows programs and usual routines, dipping into the Mac side when time allows. This was my conversion method: my first week with my Mac I was probably in Windows 95% of the time; by the second week it was more like 50% of the time, and so on. It's a less stressful experience and allows you to still get the most out of your computer, instead of juggling the Mac and a separate Windows system. There is a preview of Parallels on the ARM-based Macs, but it can only run the ARM version of Windows. The ARM version of Windows does have a x86 emulator, but... those are a lot of hoops to jump through if you're needing something mission-critical, and a lot of opportunities for something to not work properly. Not an issue with the Intel systems.

4) Intel systems allow you to use external GPUs, while ARM-based Macs do not - at least, not currently. Unknown if it's a feature that can be added in the future. Depending on what you're doing with Photoshop, exactly, this may mean more to you in terms of system longevity and performance than the Intel vs. ARM processor.

5) RAM isn't exactly more "efficient" on a Mac - macOS added memory compression before Windows did, allowing you to get more out of less RAM and sparing the swap file. It's still not a substitute for more RAM. It remains to be seen what Apple is going to charge and how high they'll build their higher-end systems' RAM, but there is something to be said for not only upgrading things yourself, but also choosing the timing and possibly growing with a system. And since you haven't told us what you do with Photoshop, nobody can really say if the current RAM offerings are enough. If you're working with multi-hundred megapixel images and/or tons of layers with crazy edits, you'll need more.

This is an uncomfortable time to buy an Intel-based Mac, but it's also an uncomfortable time to buy Apple's first foray into ARM-based Macs. The discomfort with buying an Intel-based Mac will increase with each day, but the worst time to buy an Intel-based Mac won't occur until right around the time that the last Mac system is switched over to Apple Silicon - probably in a year or two, although nobody can say for certain.
 
OP:

Since you will be a BRAND NEW Mac user -- with no "prior commitments" to existing older Mac software -- I'd suggest that you WAIT A FEW MONTHS MORE until the new m-series iMacs come out.

This will probably be in June/July (Apple often makes product announcements at their World Wide Developer Conference in early June).

I would recommend at least 16gb of RAM.
DON'T get just 8gb.
For the internal drive 512gb (or larger if you want to pay more).

I'm going to go out on a limb with the prediction that users WILL NOT BE ABLE TO ADD RAM to the upcoming iMacs. The SSDs will be soldered in and unchangeable, as well.

So again, you need to get the 16gb "from the factory".
Or more if you want it.
 
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If you need to upgrade in the coming weeks, get the Intel-based iMac, especially if this is your first Mac and you're coming from Windows. Here are my thoughts as to why:

1) Apple's first custom-made chipset has really impressive performance, but the Intel-based systems are not slouches.

2) Nobody knows how long Apple will continue support for the Intel-based systems. When Apple first moved to Intel from the PowerPC-based systems, they continued support for the PowerPC systems three years after completing their transition and all systems were based on Intel. As of now, the iMac and Mac Pro lines are still on Intel. Rumors are that the iMacs will possibly shift to Apple's own chipset some time this year. The Mac Pro was last updated in December 2019 and there are no rumors as to when it will be updated, but it's not out of the realm of reality that it could also be updated this year. Assuming Apple follows the same time frame as it did with the PowerPC to Intel transition, Intel systems today are likely going to be supported for another 3-6 years, if not longer (because now there are more Intel Mac users than there were PowerPC Mac users).

2a) Even if Apple's support for Intel systems is shorter than anticipated, your computer won't stop working just because it's not on the absolute latest operating system.

3) You're coming from Windows. If you run an Intel-based Mac, you can ease yourself into the transition by purchasing Parallels or VMWare Fusion and running Windows as if it were an app. This lets you use all of your old Windows programs and usual routines, dipping into the Mac side when time allows. This was my conversion method: my first week with my Mac I was probably in Windows 95% of the time; by the second week it was more like 50% of the time, and so on. It's a less stressful experience and allows you to still get the most out of your computer, instead of juggling the Mac and a separate Windows system. There is a preview of Parallels on the ARM-based Macs, but it can only run the ARM version of Windows. The ARM version of Windows does have a x86 emulator, but... those are a lot of hoops to jump through if you're needing something mission-critical, and a lot of opportunities for something to not work properly. Not an issue with the Intel systems.

4) Intel systems allow you to use external GPUs, while ARM-based Macs do not - at least, not currently. Unknown if it's a feature that can be added in the future. Depending on what you're doing with Photoshop, exactly, this may mean more to you in terms of system longevity and performance than the Intel vs. ARM processor.

5) RAM isn't exactly more "efficient" on a Mac - macOS added memory compression before Windows did, allowing you to get more out of less RAM and sparing the swap file. It's still not a substitute for more RAM. It remains to be seen what Apple is going to charge and how high they'll build their higher-end systems' RAM, but there is something to be said for not only upgrading things yourself, but also choosing the timing and possibly growing with a system. And since you haven't told us what you do with Photoshop, nobody can really say if the current RAM offerings are enough. If you're working with multi-hundred megapixel images and/or tons of layers with crazy edits, you'll need more.

This is an uncomfortable time to buy an Intel-based Mac, but it's also an uncomfortable time to buy Apple's first foray into ARM-based Macs. The discomfort with buying an Intel-based Mac will increase with each day, but the worst time to buy an Intel-based Mac won't occur until right around the time that the last Mac system is switched over to Apple Silicon - probably in a year or two, although nobody can say for certain.
This is all really solid logic. Now you’ve got me haunting the Apple refurb page...
 
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I would not buy an Imac, the only thing cool about the imac is you can upgrade the ram.
But if you want more ram and better graphics then Mac Pro 2013.

For 2D stuff, lot's of ram destroy's anything that's even twice as fast,
If your ram is only 8 and your RAW's come from medium mormat camera's.
If I open 4 pics It get's ruisky. Old Mac Pro even 2008 64gigs 66x not even 800,
you can opun picture and more and work them all, at has Geforce 640,
But Macbook without 3D is faster in Counterstrike.

I'm going to buy one, I was planning but not a such a hurry,
but would like more ram a lot and better graphics.
I do hit 64 easy in logic, and games kill the trashcan
and windows is most of the time, better in games.
I did not game before the lockdown.

128 ram is one more Imac
3 cheap mini's

Chances are big,

But in two years when all your software is updated and has no buggs.
Because after complaining about the buggs for over a year, they did fix some off the buggs.
And they kept saying, just use an Intel Mac, we only transported to mac
now running on Intel, is was easy and used to be very hard.
People loved the G4, but software hated It. If you liked software, you should buy a PC
only adobe, logic and final cut ... because mac was so easy,
Logic 9 got changed to garageband midi. And they hated us, people like Daft Punk
but at Apple It's no secret, we hate everything, we are in love with Iphone.
Now we found a way, to make Maac more like Iphone, people really need a new everything
every year. If you don't upgrade in fall, you will be banned for life from using Apple computers or phones.

Intel Macs could get sucky If you want to update 7 years than I would avoid.

But Mac going to intel was the bom,
this crazy speed, but losing the most popular platform in the world
which made intel macs so succesfull.
Nobody had a mac before Intel.
Just me, I was almost a Pro.
Having G4 Powerbook It was sucky, no software.
Less distraction, only a calculator, watch a DVD and don't do pro stuff
Start Pro Tools, It's called Pro Tools for a reason.
If you were a person saying I'm a Pro and I never use Adobe.
He had never heard of Pro Tools. It's a tool that make you not a newbie.
That should only try demo'
But some free ware.

Now going to Ipad, mine has one software.
The Korg Electribe and It sounds crap.

The old red one, is super fat.
It's better than Ipad.

But If your not a Pro.
Troubles with a mac, even apple does not care,
and if you are a Pro with lot's of troubles, like in the next version
only 128 bit will work and they just do that, because Lofic got better and they just did not upgrade the Imac Pro. But No Pro uses an iMac Pro, only porno producers.
None wants to touch it anymore.
 
Hello, I was looking into buying a new iMac and as I was researching I saw how the new iMacs could be coming out at any time. I’ll mainly be using photoshop on it. I’ve noticed how the new ones are rumored to not be able to upgrade the ram with aftermarket. Is this a deal breaker since Apple charges an insane amount for memory? It will be my first iMac. Thanks.
You should definitely wait for a month or so. You won't regret it. :)
 
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Thanks everyone. Looks like I’m waiting and just saving the money back. :). Now let’s just hope there isn’t a huge price increase with the new model lol
 
I was in the same boat, bought a 16 GB Ram 1 terabyte Mac mini, running two screens. Love this damn thing.
Yep, same. I'd definitely prefer to get an iMac but seeing how there's new ones right around the corner, there's no way I can pull the trigger on a current one. I ended up getting a base mini (8gb/256gb) and plan to use that until the new iMac comes out. Figured it's easier to resale a base model.
 
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