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Hrothgar

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The Buyers Guide says the Mini is still a buy. But the new chip is going to be introduced. It's not worth waiting for? Do we think it will be significantly more expensive? Cut back on other features? Not much of an improvement? Risky that chip isn't really ready?

Should I buy or wait?
 
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So that reads harsher then I meant it to. Sorry.

Let us know what you are currently using, and what you plan to be doing in the future.

I bought a 2018 Mini last December, to replace a 2010 Mac Pro. I knew that it was only a matter of time until Apple Silicon would come along, although it was only rumors them. I expect to get several years use from this machine. And I am very happy with my decision.

But it really is simple:

- Do you need/want a new machine now?
- Can you afford a new machine now?

If yes to both get a Mini. Otherwise wait.

In my case I didn't need a new machine, but I wanted and could afford one. So Merry (last) Christmas to me!

Good luck whatever you decide.

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It is kinda hard to answer when:
- you don't tell us what you currently have.
- you don't tell us what you currently do.
- you don't tell us what you want to have.
- you don't tell us what you want to do.

And there are other threads that discuss this very issue. Perhaps you could get some insight there?

But the bottom line is, if you want/need a new computer, and the current Mini meets your needs then buy one. If not, don't.

It really is that simple.
 
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Hello Hrothgar,


You ask a good question.

If you need the Mac mini right now, purchase it and enjoy. It is a very capable machine. I have a Mac mini 2018 and I expect to be using it for a long to come! Of course, my rock-solid 2013 Mac Pro is still going strong and is my main workhorse right now.

As for the upcoming Apple Silicon Macs....I'm sure that they will be very capable machines as well. However, I never buy "first generation" products from Apple!

Good luck in your buying decisions!


richmlow
 
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I have the same dilemma. I just need a second system for the first floor of my home, I’ve got a very capable 2015 iMac in my home office. With all the posts about the Intel MacMinis having heat throttling performance penalties, I think I’m going to wait it out.

I’m not dinging the Intel MacMini. It just seems to me that the performance vs. heat throttling will be better with the ARM. Of course there are many other factors to consider. The biggest challenge of course is not knowing when they might be released.

I would be a little disappointed if the new MacMini was the old one with an ARM injection. Pun intended :p

Also, if the new MacMini serves me as well as my 2015 iMac for a good number of years I will be one happy Apple enthusiast!
 
I would be a little disappointed if the new MacMini was the old one with an ARM injection.

My bet is that if an official ARM based Mac Mini is released soon, the form factor will be the same as the current one. I'm sure the guys at Mac Stadium are hoping so, since they have invested so much into the current form factor...
 
Back in late 2005, when Apple had already announced the transition to Intel Macs, I purchased a PowerPC Mac mini. I did so because I knew it would take time for the software ecosystem to catch up to the new models. Also, there's a good chance that there are going to be issues with hardware based upon a new architecture.

The first Intel Mac mini was 32-bit only with a Core Duo and was quickly supplanted by more capable models. It was a 1.0 product. I ended up with one anyway, but regret bothering with it and not waiting until the later models were released.

I currently have a base model 2018 Mac mini and had originally bought it two years ago to be a "stopgap" until the ARM Macs (as they were rumored at the time) became available. I've since changed my stance on that. I've upgraded the systems memory to 32GB and purchased an external egpu. I've decided that I want this model to last me another two or three years, rather than replacing it with a version 1.0 or even 2.0 "Apple Silicon" Mac. It often takes Apple a few iterations to get their vision for a product just right, the software ecosystem will have caught up, and there may be new and interesting things done with the Mac that Apple didn't accomplish while using Intel CPUs.

Also, keep in mind that the rumors for the first Apple Silicon Macs are probably going to be laptops and perhaps a 24-inch iMac. There haven't been any rumors of a new Mac mini. That doesn't mean one won't come later this year or early next year, since the rumors have been spotty at best with future Macs, but it is notable that the Mac mini hasn't been mentioned.

Anyway, if you're like me and want to skip the early days of Apple Silicon and the transition, then the 2018 Mac mini is a great value and a capable machine.
 
My bet is that if an official ARM based Mac Mini is released soon, the form factor will be the same as the current one. I'm sure the guys at Mac Stadium are hoping so, since they have invested so much into the current form factor...

I truly have nothing against the current MacMini’s form factor. I think it is very nice looking. But, I think you are correct that it probably won’t change. Well at least give us color choices.....just kidding :p I like the current color.
 
I truly have nothing against the current MacMini’s form factor. I think it is very nice looking. But, I think you are correct that it probably won’t change. Well at least give us color choices.....just kidding :p I like the current color.

My mini lurks behind my 2 x displays and sits near the (also 'hidden') eGPU. I never see the darn thing which is in stark contrast to my dearly missed Cheese grater Mac Pro.
 
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There will always be a new model lurking around the corner.

As for new chips, we don't know yet if it will be a hit or a flop. First generation of anything is usually not that good, and this is unchartered territory.
 
This thread
should be required reading for anyone anxious to buy the first generation Apple Silicone Mac Mini.

The 2018 Minis already have Apple Silicone — it’s called a T2. And look how well Apple has supported that little bit of Apple Silicone. Back in March, Security Update 2020-002 modified the T2 Firmware (Bridge OS) which lead to system crashes for those still running Mojave, who let their Mini sleep and use Safari. 6 1/2 months later, the most recent Mojave Security Update 2020-005 and Supplement have still not fixed this issue :(

GetRealBro
 
My Mini is late 2014, 2.6 GHz i5; 16 GB 1600 Mhz DDR3.

Hardware Overview:

Model Name: Mac mini
Model Identifier: Macmini7,1
Processor Name: Dual-Core Intel Core i5
Processor Speed: 2.6 GHz
Number of Processors: 1
Total Number of Cores: 2
L2 Cache (per Core): 256 KB
L3 Cache: 3 MB
Hyper-Threading Technology: Enabled
Memory: 16 GB
Boot ROM Version: 248.0.0.0.0
SMC Version (system): 2.24f32
Serial Number (system): C07Q51C6G1J1
Hardware UUID: 6D85B81E-B938-5F90-8D08-2F1DF9931BBC


I moved the start up disc to a Samsung T7 SSD, but didn't notice much of a change. My mini has a lot of lag time, I get the pinwheel often. I don't have to upgrade now, but I'm generally annoyed with this machine and I've got some extra cash. Haven't been able to find anything else to fix it.

I thought Apple said it was releasing an ARM Mini this year?

Perhaps I'll just pull the trigger now. Although, then I get to deal with finding new usb-c cords and dongles for my peripherals.
 
This thread
https://forums.macrumors.com/thread...e-210-after-security-update-2020-002.2228812/
should be required reading for anyone anxious to buy the first generation Apple Silicone Mac Mini.

That must be very frustrating for everyone. However, the message I get is "don't use Mojave on the 2018 Mini". I know that some people have valid reasons for staying with Mojave but Catalina was pre-installed on my 2018 Mini and it's been completely trouble-free. Not a single crash or issue, with heavy usage every day since purchasing in June. I run my legacy 32-bit apps in Mountain Lion and Sierra virtual machines with Parallels and this works really well, although a VM might not be a good solution for some people.

I thought Apple said it was releasing an ARM Mini this year?

Apple hasn't said they will ever introduce an ARM Mini and all the rumors have revolved around laptops and iMacs. They certainly could introduce one, but we just don't know when it might happen.
 
I'm in the same boat.. buy now or wait. I've pretty much made up my mind I'll buy one now. There's still alot of unanswered questions about Apple Silicon, specifically when it comes to the power of the embedded GPU.

The way I figure it, even with the transition to Apple Silicon, there's going to be at least 5 years of support for the Intel based system, at which point I'll replace it with Apple Silicon. By then the early adopter issues should be ironed out.
 
One speculative rumor, a new MacBook 12-13" ARM model based on old 2016 MacBook unit.
 
...the message I get is "don't use Mojave on the 2018 Mini"....
I think you are getting the message that Apple wants you to get:)

Apple appears to be strongly encouraging 2018 Mini users to upgrade from Mojave and may never fix the T2 Firmware glitch they introduced with Mojave Security Update 2020-002. Is this an example of how Apple will take advantage of future Apple Silicone firmware updates to encourage upgrading to the latest macOS and “Don’t worry. Be happy.” ? Regardless, I won't be buying an Apple Silicone Mac until at least the 2nd generation and probably longer.

BTW my 2018 Mini running Mojave w/Security Update 2020-004 is stable — because it runs system/network monitors and RTSP video capture 24/7 and I only use Safari when I absolutely have to.

GetRealBro
 
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