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I have a 2013 27" iMac, Core i7 3.4GHz, 16GB RAM, 512GB PCIe SSD. Perfect condition. No issues.

I bought it for a specific purpose, but no longer use it for that. I'm leaning towards selling it and buying a spec'd 15" MBP or keeping it and buying a Dell XPS 13.

I know the MBP is neutral, in its mid cycle, but out of curiosity what would we see in the next (2018) version?

I understand no one really knows, but just some educated guesses would be fine. Thanks in advanced.
 
Most likely to be an incremental upgrade to the next cycle of Intel processors and AMD graphics.

Possible it will have a 15 watt 4 core in the 13" and a hex core in the 15".

Possible the 15" will offer a non-touchbar version.

Possible they will have AMD integrated graphics instead of Intel.

Unlikely that the form factor will change.
 
I would really hesitate to buy current ones unless you really need it or perhaps changes just won't matter to you.

I have a feeling that Intel+AMD GPU news could loom large for performance we've rarely had in a MBP previously.

Also, I think the KB will get tweaked again in some way to deal with these reliability issues. Nobody really knows how extensive that might/might not be.

Finally, and I know this is controversial to say, but I'm not convinced at all that the TouchBar is long for this world. It is still not present on desktops current or announced and TouchID is also seemingly not long for this world, so it would figure that a lot could change with what the current TouchBar is.
 
The 512GB with the larger CPU cache in the faster process is the one I chose, which is the one you've highlighted.

The price shows the 512GB unit with the faster CPU and double the video Ram in its GPU, is not so much more expensive than the lower model:
In Australia the difference is 17.4%.
In the USA the difference is 14%
In Doha your deal is 11.4%

So comparing the two models, the larger drive version appears a good buy.

I am not sure about warranty issues though because you might not get them in Norway if you buy in the middle east. Also check whether your Norway customs might hit you with duty.

Don't be worried about obscolence - there will always be a better model coming. For Apple, the touch bar is a necessity until they introduce touch screens. That may never happen though.

And the touch bar is great, if not essential. For video editing the touch bar improves utility a lot. Probably will too with cc, but I don't know for sure.

Be aware that if you use function keys a lot, you have to hit the bottom left fn key to bring up the function keys (they appear on the touch bar). If you take your left finger off the fn key, then the touch bar's function key display disappears. This can annoy some people.

Eye log on will become the norm compared to the finger pad - but the finger pad works just fine.

The unit compared to yours is quite a lot faster, and is quite a lot thinner and lighter. If you've got a matt screen, you might find the screen reflects more. If you do 4K video editing, well, you can do it on the unit you are considering.

The downside on the computer is that some people have had troubles with the keyboard, especially the 2016 models. The mechanism is thinner and the technology different. The 2017 model did revise and toughen the keyboard; it types well for many but some do not like the shallow action, the keys are larger too, IMO the keyboard requires a lighter touch. For some too, the fact the new keyboard makes a noise, wheres your's is silent, can be a big difference.

Another issue is the larger touch pad - some people can hit it while typing, others can hit it while doing things on the notebook. Its worthwhile seeing where you hands lye on the new model, to check that your wrist area does not rest on the keypad. For some this happens and they hate the larger touchpad. For me its not an issue, although I thought it would be unit I tried the keyboard before buying and I looked at where my wrist lay. You need to do that too IMO.

Also IMO you'll have to keep the keyboard clean as bits of dirt or crumbs etc can upset the switches in the keyboard, unlike your keyboard, so vacuuming and cleaning the keyboard is IMO a necessity. That's the only downside IMO, although also, you'll need at least one USB3.1 to USB adapter.

good luck
 
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will we see Face ID in 2018 on the MacBook Pro?

That's hard to know on timing, but I'll be completely shocked if FaceID isn't on the MacBooks before too long.
That technology is purr-fect for MacBook's and the unlocking/perfect face placement all the time, etc
 
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That's hard to know on timing, but I'll be completely shocked if FaceID isn't on the MacBooks before too long.
That technology is purr-fect for MacBook's and the unlocking/perfect face placement all the time, etc
if Face ID comes to the MacBook what happens to the touch bar?
 
I have a 2013 27" iMac, Core i7 3.4GHz, 16GB RAM, 512GB PCIe SSD. Perfect condition. No issues.

I bought it for a specific purpose, but no longer use it for that. I'm leaning towards selling it and buying a spec'd 15" MBP or keeping it and buying a Dell XPS 13.

I know the MBP is neutral, in its mid cycle, but out of curiosity what would we see in the next (2018) version?

I understand no one really knows, but just some educated guesses would be fine. Thanks in advanced.

In addition to working out the ongoing reliability issues with the keyboard, I hope they "tweak" the 2018 keyboard to give it a bit more bounce. More resistance, so to speak. Right now, it's like typing on concrete. My opinion of course. I grab my wife's 2016 13" every now and then and try and beat out a press release for a client. You know, to try and find some love for the keyboard, and twenty minutes later, my fingers are aching. Not so with my 2015. Not so with my old 2010 15" MBP either. As a matter of fact, I feel like the keyboard on the 2010 MBP was the best Apple ever came out with. It's got the perfect feel for typing, which is why I keep the old gal around. Here's hoping 2018 brings some welcome updates to the current line of MBP's, including a 15" version without that ridiculous touch bar. Throw in an SD card slot too!!
 
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Okay then I'm going to hold out. I don't really need one now and will just grab the wife's MacBook if I need something on the go.

Sounds like 2018 will be just the right time to pull the trigger.
 
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Okay then I'm going to hold out. I don't really need one now and will just grab the wife's MacBook if I need something on the go.

Sounds like 2018 will be just the right time to pull the trigger.

I think that is a good decision.

If you change your mind, wait for Black Friday or other holiday sales, and look around - one reseller is offering the mid-level 15" for $2499.
 
A redesigned keyboard and light up Apple logo would be a nice redesign. Add Face ID. However that would make this gen one of the shortest designs.
 
That's hard to know on timing, but I'll be completely shocked if FaceID isn't on the MacBooks before too long.
That technology is purr-fect for MacBook's and the unlocking/perfect face placement all the time, etc
Face unlocks on Windows 10 system works fast and accurately. Hopefully it will on the Mac.
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Okay then I'm going to hold out. I don't really need one now and will just grab the wife's MacBook if I need something on the go.

Sounds like 2018 will be just the right time to pull the trigger.

Especially with 13 inch going quad and 15 inch going hex. And Intel seems to have really been able to get the burst of clock speed and heat gen balanced on the eighth gen processors. I suspect the performance increase will be considerable.
 
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I feel like the keyboard on the 2010 MBP was the best Apple ever came out with. It's got the perfect feel for typing, which is why I keep the old gal around.

I'll add the chorus - I'm typing this on my "around the house" Aluminum Late '08 MacBook.
It's deficient in so so many areas at this point, but the keyboard is not one of them.

Feels AMAZING to type on, and with the SSD & new battery I popped inside, it's my AM/weekend workhorse.
Love it!

(Hate the screen at this point of course - good lord have screens come a long ways...haha)
 
2017 keyboard is excellent to type on - for me. I hated the 2016 but the 2017 is different. However I have read reviews that says the 2017 feels the same as the 2016. Other reviews say the 2017 gave more feel and is has more robust switches. It comes down to the individual I guess. There's no doubt the 2017 keyboard benefits though, from a lighter touch. On my Air, the "A" key has lost its letter - I've hammered it out. I hammer that keyboard. But with the 2017, I have a light touch. I've not found any stress issues or fatigue using it. The light touch though comes naturally with the new keyboard. From a historical keyboard hammerer like myself, who does go through keyboards too - I'm just dancing across the 2017 keyboard, rather hitting the keys hard. The slight noise the keys makes assists the light touch too. This keyboard has got a lot of criticism, but I reckon its brilliant, and while I feared the noise, it actually helps the light touch approach. I am cautious though - I'm keeping it clean. I've not had to bother doing that with other keyboards.
 
Because the touchbar has the finger print sensor, and people think that it doesn't make sense to have both, so one has to go away.

Why would taking away the finger print sensor that sits next to the bar mean taking away the touch bar? They are separate things.
 
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Have no idea, I own a non touchbar mbp and have no experience with the touchbar, I'm just saying what I think is the reason people think the touchbar will go away. Most of the writers and members think that the touchbar wasn't accepted well between the pro users, and since touch ID has been removed from the iPhones and described as "old tech" from Apple, it's fair to say that we can expect something different in the next two to three years.

What I think will happen is:

May, 2018. we will see the regular form factor with updated specs, like an iPhone 8, no 32GB ram, just stronger processors, better GPU, better coating and a slightly improved keyboard. Touchbar still intact with touch ID.

May, 2019. we will have again the bump in specs, but then at the end of 2019 we will get the major redesign with the Intel/Amd CPU's and GPU combinations, a bezeless design which will feature Face ID together with a new type of keyboard which may or may not feature touch ID.

But this is just my opinion.
 
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