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Did you even read my post? I hotspot to my telly, PS5 etc. I stream 4K content on Sky Sports etc. Believe me it makes a difference. I need a good connection.

I’m hotspotting multiple devices thorugh out the house

I know you said you're in Europe. I lived there for a while.

Some companies label themselves as 4G, 5G, etc., but the reality is that just hopping onto a service or provider doesn't guarantee you'll get solid service or coverage.

When I lived in France one year, I was using "Free"—it was about 20 Euros a month. Service was great. I left Europe and lived there again some years later, and I used Free a second time—but the second time I used it was awful. I had to switch to a different service (Orange) the 2nd time I lived there.

The service you're getting may say 5G or whatever the latest and greatest is, but it's still reliant on coverage and signal. Without that, you're still at the mercy of whatever local towers are nearby.

I remember Europe having exceptionally good cell phone service almost everywhere. It was so incredibly cheap, too.

Witj Verizon in the USA... Expensive... Normally good service, without any issues. But in my apartment and at my job, I have to rely on Wifi to communicate. Their service is good everywhere else, just nonexistent at the places I'm at most.

A company might have 4G or 5G, but if the signals are weak, the signals are occasionally downgraded to something like LTE. LTE used to be very strong and reliable, but now it's a seemingly very weak service.

The difference in paying for telecommunication bills between the U.S. and Europe is also completely different. Europe has good coverage almost everywhere, but the U.S. has tons of dead zones where there's almost no signal at all.

Hotspotting is useful in a pinch, but your phone usually is not meant to be your connection to the internet, provided you have a single area where you live. Your hotspot isn't traditionally meant for live-service games from a console (satellites connections fluctuate anyway). It's primarily just another way to connect to the internet for lower-level operations. Besides, doesn't hotspotting put your phone under some decent pressure? I remember mine getting hot sometimes while I was hotspotting...
 
I know you said you're in Europe. I lived there for a while.

Some companies label themselves as 4G, 5G, etc., but the reality is that just hopping onto a service or provider doesn't guarantee you'll get solid service or coverage.

When I lived in France one year, I was using "Free"—it was about 20 Euros a month. Service was great. I left Europe and lived there again some years later, and I used Free a second time—but the second time I used it was awful. I had to switch to a different service (Orange) the 2nd time I lived there.

The service you're getting may say 5G or whatever the latest and greatest is, but it's still reliant on coverage and signal. Without that, you're still at the mercy of whatever local towers are nearby.

I remember Europe having exceptionally good cell phone service almost everywhere. It was so incredibly cheap, too.

Witj Verizon in the USA... Expensive... Normally good service, without any issues. But in my apartment and at my job, I have to rely on Wifi to communicate. Their service is good everywhere else, just nonexistent at the places I'm at most.

A company might have 4G or 5G, but if the signals are weak, the signals are occasionally downgraded to something like LTE. LTE used to be very strong and reliable, but now it's a seemingly very weak service.

The difference in paying for telecommunication bills between the U.S. and Europe is also completely different. Europe has good coverage almost everywhere, but the U.S. has tons of dead zones where there's almost no signal at all.

Hotspotting is useful in a pinch, but your phone usually is not meant to be your connection to the internet, provided you have a single area where you live. Your hotspot isn't traditionally meant for live-service games from a console (satellites connections fluctuate anyway). It's primarily just another way to connect to the internet for lower-level operations. Besides, doesn't hotspotting put your phone under some decent pressure? I remember mine getting hot sometimes while I was hotspotting...
Maybe it used to be the case that heavily using a hotspot would work the phone hard, but my iPhone 8 Plus never had an issue with it, and I tethered to it A LOT. Downloading games, online gaming, streaming, etc. It's still going too. It's my wife's backup phone.
 
Anecdotal... but the other night my wife and I were in a place with very weak signal (AT&T). She has a standard iPhone 15. She was unable to do anything consistently all night, but my 16e was at least functional. It did drain my battery quite a bit, but at least it was working. Her battery was draining and she was unable to do much at all.

Sidenote: I definitely didn't care about speed in that scenario; I was just glad it still worked at all. 🤷‍♂️
 
Quick update, ended up returning the 16e and picked up an Apple refurbished 15 Pro for £780, so only £180 more than the 16e.

Anyways, the speed is identical to that of 14 Pro. So, I'm happy with the swap and it's a lot better to hold in your hand and about 20 grams lighter than 14 Pro. All in all, Im happy with it.

PS: this is my first time having bought an Apple Certified product and I have to say I'm well impressed, it's basically the same presentation as when buying it brand new. Just a different box.

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Quick update, ended up returning the 16e and picked up an Apple refurbished 15 Pro for £780, so only £180 more than the 16e.

Anyways, the speed is identical to that of 14 Pro. So, I'm happy with the swap and it's a lot better to hold in your hand and about 20 grams lighter than 14 Pro. All in all, Im happy with it.

PS: this is my first time having bought an Apple Certified product and I have to say I'm well impressed, it's basically the same presentation as when buying it brand new. Just a different box.

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I'm also considering the iPhone 15 pro refurbished from apple here in the UK instead of the iPhone 16e.

Interesting to see if your refurbished iPhone 15 has overheating & bad battery (especially after 12 months) issues as reported in various forums. Hopefully not as I believe Apple do thorough testing of their refurbish iPhones.

Anyway enjoy your new iPhone !
 
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I'm also considering the iPhone 15 pro refurbished from apple here in the UK instead of the iPhone 16e.

Interesting to see if your refurbished iPhone 15 has overheating & bad battery (especially after 12 months) issues as reported in various forums. Hopefully not as I believe Apple do thorough testing of their refurbish iPhones.

Anyway enjoy your new iPhone !
I can already confirm that the battery is mediocre, but it's a non-issue for me.
 
Upgraded from iPhone 14 Pro to iPhone 16e and I’m really disappointed with the down/upload speeds. Connected to the same network, speeds are as follows:

iPhone 14 Pro
Down - 550mbps
Up - 45mbps

iPhone 16e
Down - 200mbps
Up - 3mbps (yes three)

Could the phone be still indexing in the background or?

As I use my phone to hotspot all through the house, the performance is extremely important. At the minute it’s lacklustre. Any ideas?
Shocking… Stunned…
 
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I'm not quite sure how much is guaranteed and whatnot, but all I am saying is that the performance of the C1 is a bit of a letdown at the moment. I got an average 500+ Mbps with my 14 Pro. Now I'm struggling to reach 200mbps. Hmm... I might have to return the 16e.

my advice:
return the 16 e and purchase the 16 Plus !
Other than the 16e, the Plus model has the good Qualkomm modem chip and it has excellent battery life as well.
AND.... the price will fall more and more bc reaching of end of product life. In the EU the 14 Plus price has already falllen a lot - so a best buy now and later in 2 months even better....

The 17 models will perhaps already all get the C1 or similar "new" apple-designed modem chip.... I´d never buy one until the customer experience for the iP 17 shows clear enough that this apple modem chip is REALLY worth its price.... and at least on par with the Qualkomm modem chip... at this moment this is evidently not at all the case.
 
my advice:
return the 16 e and purchase the 16 Plus !
Other than the 16e, the Plus model has the good Qualkomm modem chip and it has excellent battery life as well.
AND.... the price will fall more and more bc reaching of end of product life. In the EU the 14 Plus price has already falllen a lot - so a best buy now and later in 2 months even better....

The 17 models will perhaps already all get the C1 or similar "new" apple-designed modem chip.... I´d never buy one until the customer experience for the iP 17 shows clear enough that this apple modem chip is REALLY worth its price.... and at least on par with the Qualkomm modem chip... at this moment this is evidently not at all the case.
I've already returned the 16e. Check post
 
I've started getting complaints from people who have been unable to reach me on the cellular service on the 16e. FaceTime and WhatsApp calls over data seem to be unaffected. Restarting seems to fix the problem. Looks like more work is required on the modem software.
 
I've started getting complaints from people who have been unable to reach me on the cellular service on the 16e. FaceTime and WhatsApp calls over data seem to be unaffected. Restarting seems to fix the problem. Looks like more work is required on the modem software.
Odd that data isn’t affected but you’re unable to receive calls. Even normal calls should be voice over data on most carriers in most places at this point. Maybe a carrier hiccup?
 
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I will be very curious to hear feedback from the Air users about the modem as more and more people use the Apple modem. I wonder if Apple will make any changes to the C1 in anticipation of the Air's release.
 
I've started getting complaints from people who have been unable to reach me on the cellular service on the 16e. FaceTime and WhatsApp calls over data seem to be unaffected. Restarting seems to fix the problem. Looks like more work is required on the modem software.
I'm not sure we can put that down to the C1, because I had the same thing happen a couple of weeks ago, on my iPhone 14. I couldn't make or receive calls, but data still worked. Everything came good after I restarted.
 
Quick update, ended up returning the 16e and picked up an Apple refurbished 15 Pro for £780, so only £180 more than the 16e.

Anyways, the speed is identical to that of 14 Pro. So, I'm happy with the swap and it's a lot better to hold in your hand and about 20 grams lighter than 14 Pro. All in all, Im happy with it.
I got the 16e for a family member, who is very pleased with it. No complaints about the cell signal as both voice and data are very reliable with no noticeable speed issues. However, we haven't done any formal speed testing, just day-to-day usage. Furthermore, we have no mmWave in Canada and the mobile account plan is a budget plan which is speed limited anyway to 150 Mbps down. It is generally not used as a hotspot either.

I thought about getting the iPhone 15 new, but IMO that has too many compromises in 2025 despite costing more. I also thought about getting the 15 Pro refurbished from Apple, but they had only the 512 GB (or higher) Pro Max models so it was too pricey, as we only need 128 GB.

To me the viable purchase options from the Apple Store would be (depending on availability and needs): iPhone 16e, iPhone 16, iPhone 15 Pro refurbished, iPhone 16 Pro. The 15 non-Pro new doesn't make much sense to me with this lineup.
 
I got the 16e for a family member, who is very pleased with it. No complaints about the cell signal as both voice and data are very reliable with no noticeable speed issues. However, we haven't done any formal speed testing, just day-to-day usage. Furthermore, we have no mmWave in Canada and the mobile account plan is a budget plan which is speed limited anyway to 150 Mbps down. It is generally not used as a hotspot either.

I thought about getting the iPhone 15 new, but IMO that has too many compromises in 2025 despite costing more. I also thought about getting the 15 Pro refurbished from Apple, but they had only the 512 GB (or higher) Pro Max models so it was too pricey, as we only need 128 GB.

To me the viable purchase options from the Apple Store would be (depending on availability and needs): iPhone 16e, iPhone 16, iPhone 15 Pro refurbished, iPhone 16 Pro. The 15 non-Pro new doesn't make much sense to me with this lineup.

FWIW - and it might be different in Canada - but Apple's refurb site has some 128gb 15 Pro's in stock again:


It's still more expensive than the 16e, but I wouldn't buy refurbed anywhere else personally.
 
FWIW - and it might be different in Canada - but Apple's refurb site has some 128gb 15 Pro's in stock again:


It's still more expensive than the 16e, but I wouldn't buy refurbed anywhere else personally.
Unfortunately, it's not in stock in the Canadian refurb store, and hasn't been for a while now.


The 16e 128 GB is CA$899 new.
The 15 Pro 128 GB is CA$1099 refurbished, so $200 more than the 16e.
The 16 128 GB is CA$1129 new, so $230 more than the 16e.
The 16 Pro 128 GB is $1449 new, so $550 more than the 16e. (Yikes!)

Out of all of those, I think the 15 Pro refurb is the best bang-for-the-buck, but unfortunately I can't get it.

BTW, although people complain the 16e is overpriced and I happen to agree, I think the 16 Pro is even more overpriced.
 
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I have been travelling in car recently with in USA between buffalo, Washington, chicago.

When compared with iphone 16 pro, 16e modem has serious issues interns of receiving signals/ reception, holding the reception etc.

both on Verizon network.
 
Unfortunately, it's not in stock in the Canadian refurb store, and hasn't been for a while now.


The 16e 128 GB is CA$899 new.
The 15 Pro 128 GB is CA$1099 refurbished, so $200 more than the 16e.
The 16 128 GB is CA$1129 new, so $230 more than the 16e.
The 16 Pro 128 GB is $1449 new, so $550 more than the 16e. (Yikes!)

Out of all of those, I think the 15 Pro refurb is the best bang-for-the-buck, but unfortunately I can't get it.

BTW, although people complain the 16e is overpriced and I happen to agree, I think the 16 Pro is even more overpriced.

I dont recommend to buy the iPhone 16 because...
Its made of Titanium which is only capable to dissipate not more than HALF the heat in comparison to the former Aluminium cases ! That is the reason why the iPhone 15 and particualy the 16 generation hat many issues with overheating which reduced performance of the iPhone 15/16 by activating their security-firmware to prevent total failure.
Apple now pulls back to the much better aluminium-cases for the future models 18.

So - IMHO that is the reason why there are MORE "refurbished" iPhone models 15 and in particular 16 models. Because they still have their ridiculous Titanium-case they are still prone to overheating, performance-problems, and faster waer of their batteries (to much heat insde) - since even macrumors remarks that you better skip the soon coming iPhone 18 - just wait for the iPhone 19....


Yet another reason to NOT purchase iPhone 16/17 :

 
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I'm not sure we can put that down to the C1, because I had the same thing happen a couple of weeks ago, on my iPhone 14. I couldn't make or receive calls, but data still worked. Everything came good after I restarted.

Since I still use my beloved iPhone 14 Plus, I had once this issue - but it seemed to be caused by an IOS update I made just before... Disappeared as well after just a simple restart.

So I am sure this was IOS-update-related.

I would wait for an iPhone with the C3 (third gen.) ! Until then the Qualcom -modem will be much better performant, especially in the new mm-frequencies.... another reason to stay with an iP14...
 
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