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It turns out that the issue is a limitation in the Apple implementation of the Thunderbolt 5 interface.
Not being snarky, just wanted to point out that @joevt answered this in considerably more detail in several recent posts in this thread.

especially when manufacturers do not fully implement the interface (as in this case with Apple’s display port channel limitations in their implementation of TB5)
He also hit on that:
Intel says Thunderbolt 5 only needs to support two displays so a Thunderbolt 5 PC might not have support for 3 displays from a Thunderbolt 5 port.
So one could argue they do have a full implementation, but I think at that point we'd be arguing semantics.
 
@hajime "Why TB5 hubs and docks released by various companies so far only have 2.5G ethernet the most? I want 10G."

Quote @OWC_TAL (simplified).

"In a dock... people want the following ports it seems: 10G ethernet,... and internal NVMe ssds.
These all require PCIe. 10G uses 1-2 lanes of PCIe 4...

So... you can only have two of the following to choose from: 10G Ethernet... NVMe SSD, PCIe to USB chipsets."
 
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@hajime "Why TB5 hubs and docks released by various companies so far only have 2.5G ethernet the most? I want 10G."

Quote @OWC_TAL (simplified).

"In a dock... people want the following ports it seems: 10G ethernet,... and internal NVMe ssds.
These all require PCIe. 10G uses 1-2 lanes of PCIe 4...

So... you can only have two of the following to choose from: 10G Ethernet... NVMe SSD, PCIe to USB chipsets."
I think a pretty nice "dock" might just take up TWO TB ports on the Mac and offer up a large bevy of different ports and also good for some that require a bit of power.
 
I think a pretty nice "dock" might just take up TWO TB ports on the Mac and offer up a large bevy of different ports and also good for some that require a bit of power.
The iVanky FusionDock Max 1 does that very thing, from what I understand. It's 'dual Thunderbolt 4,' takes up 2 of your Mac's TB ports, and offers a bunch of ports. It's got 2 TB 4 chips.

To me, it appears to be 2 Thunderbolt 4 docks built into one housing that takes 2 of your Mac's TB ports.
 
The iVanky FusionDock Max 1 does that very thing, from what I understand. It's 'dual Thunderbolt 4,' takes up 2 of your Mac's TB ports, and offers a bunch of ports. It's got 2 TB 4 chips.

To me, it appears to be 2 Thunderbolt 4 docks built into one housing that takes 2 of your Mac's TB ports.
I think this is not a bad means to an end and worth sacrificing 2 Mac ports. The ultimate unit - would be a bit different in it would be a device that requires the two TB ports but half of the ports are modular as in you pick what you want and insert the module in. Pity it would cost way too much but always nice to custom a device to one's liking.
 
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Not being snarky, just wanted to point out that @joevt answered this in considerably more detail in several recent posts in this thread.
I was part of that discussion so am well aware of the details. My issue was that I was not aware that the LG 5K display used 2 display port channels and joevt pointed this out which answered the problem as to why I could not get the LG 5K and the Apple Studio to work on a single TB 5 port. I responded here because someone later in the conversation had obviously not seen this and I thought it might be helpful to summarize the results of the discussions.
He also hit on that:

So one could argue they do have a full implementation, but I think at that point we'd be arguing semantics.
Technically this is correct if, and only if both displays use a single display port channel for their 5K capability. Apple, who promoted the LG 5K in the early days, obviously did not design their TB 5 port to take two 5K displays from LG or anyone that used two display port channels for their single panel display.

I did not make it clear and I did imply that the Intel spec said you must support 3, which is not true, for which I apologize. However they do imply it should support 2 5K displays (at least my reading of the spec says that) but it actually says 2 display port channels and with a speed of 80 Mb/s that implies 40 Mb/s per channel which would then imply 5K displays. Of course this is all irrelevant if your display requires 2 display port channels and hence the issue. My major point here is that you need to know how many display port channels you need and are provided by the interface/OS and the data rate and not just the date rate.

Again my response was simply an attempt to simplify the issue and not in any way reduce the contribution by joevt who helped me sort out my issue.
 
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@whitby
To put the matter in context:

The LG Ultrafine 5K (like the similar Dell U2715K) was introduced in 2016, when two DP channels over TB3 was the ONLY way to transmit 5K down a single wire.
The Dell needed two DP cables.
They all became outdated by 2019, when Display Stream Compression was introduced to GPUs, allowing single cable DisplayPort 1.4 5K.

That they still sold it after then was because of the lack of any real successor, until the ASD.
And LG's refusal to re-engineer it (unless that was an Apple licensing thing?)...

The 2019 Pro XDR Display can work in two-DP over TB mode, but doesn't have to.
Everything else is single channel.

So in 2025 this is a very niche case...
 
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The 2019 Pro XDR Display can work in two-DP over TB mode, but doesn't have to.
Everything else is single channel.
The 5K Apple Studio Display has a dual DisplayPort input mode (without DSC, same as the LG UltraFine 5K) and a single DisplayPort input mode that supports DSC.

The 8K Dell UP3218K has a dual DisplayPort input mode like the 5K Dell UP2715K except 8K requires dual HBR3 x4 instead of dual HBR2 x4.

The 6K Apple Pro Display XDR can get dual HBR3 x4 over Thunderbolt 3 but the 8K Dell requires Thunderbolt 5 because 3840x4320 60Hz requires more of the HBR3 bandwidth than 2560x2880 60Hz does. The extra bandwidth exceeds the 40 Gbps of Thunderbolt 3.

There's a successful test of the Dell UP3218K with a M4 Max and a Thunderbolt 5 dock at
https://github.com/waydabber/BetterDisplay/discussions/199#discussioncomment-12345084
 
@whitby
To put the matter in context:

The LG Ultrafine 5K (like the similar Dell U2715K) was introduced in 2016, when two DP channels over TB3 was the ONLY way to transmit 5K down a single wire.
The Dell needed two DP cables.
They all became outdated by 2019, when Display Stream Compression was introduced to GPUs, allowing single cable DisplayPort 1.4 5K.

That they still sold it after then was because of the lack of any real successor, until the ASD.
And LG's refusal to re-engineer it (unless that was an Apple licensing thing?)...

The 2019 Pro XDR Display can work in two-DP over TB mode, but doesn't have to.
Everything else is single channel.

So in 2025 this is a very niche case...
And your point is? I am aware that there may not be more than a few tens of thousand of us that have 5K LG Ultrafine monitors that we thought had a few more years of use in them. Sorry we jumped on the 5K bandwagon too early. But we all do not immediately trade in our perfectly functional monitors when a new standard emerges. Your observations are correct but not necessarily relevant. Given the number of questions I have had on this specific subject we are not necessarily niche and therefore irrelevant based on the sub text of your post. 9 years or 8 years may be a long time to you, but to me it is a blink in the time continuum.

I hoped Apple had a better sense of support for older technology and I am told you can still buy the 5K Ultrafine monitor, outdated or not. There are not many 5K monitors out there. Most are pushing you to 4K which are not as good whatever the You Tube pundits say.
 
And your point is?
@PaulD-UK was relating a timeline that is relevant to the discussion. The timeline explains why dual DisplayPort displays exist.

I hoped Apple had a better sense of support for older technology and I am told you can still buy the 5K Ultrafine monitor, outdated or not.
The older technology still works. It just uses more resources than the newer technology. 6K60 takes less bandwidth now (with DSC) than 4K60 does (without DSC).

Apple would have had to create a Thunderbolt controller that takes 4 DisplayPort inputs in order to connect two LG UltraFine 5K displays (56.30 Gbps total for the displays). Each DisplayPort 2.1 connection is up to 80 Gbps but Thunderbolt 5 only goes up 80/120 Gbps (232.11 Gbps DP > 120 Gbps TB). Well, they did similar with DisplayPort 1.2/Thunderbolt 2 (34.56 Gbps DP > 20 Gbps TB) and DisplayPort 1.4/Thunderbolt 3/4 (51.24 Gbps DP > 40 Gbps TB) so this doesn't matter. I don't think there's anything stopping them from creating such a Thunderbolt controller. Each DisplayPort input is implemented as a Thunderbolt adapter inside the Thunderbolt controller and you can have any number of adapters (up to like 64 or something crazy like that). It just requires more wires to the GPU and more space for the Thunderbolt controller logic.
https://www.usb.org/sites/default/files/D1T1-3 - USB4 System Overview.pdf

Since the number of DisplayPort inputs is limited, Apple could have chosen to better use the bandwidth of the DisplayPort inputs by supporting MST. It is difficult to get MST input into a Thunderbolt display though (requires a Thunderbolt controller), so this wouldn't help the LG UltraFine 5K. I suppose if you have a PC with Thunderbolt 5, you could connect three Dell UP2715K displays to a single Thunderbolt 5 hub using a DisplayPort 1.4 MST hub for each display to get 5K60 on all of them (I have used MST with the Dell UP2715K to get 5K60 from a single DisplayPort 1.4 output). Of course, that would require a GPU that supports that configuration. Maybe a Radeon Pro W5700? I don't know if any DisplayPort 1.4 MST hubs support 10bpc DSC decompression so they might be limited to 8bpc? There exist or will exist DisplayPort 2.1 MST hubs but I haven't looked at them yet.
 
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