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Wondering why USB-C "hubs" are not more popular. We will be at a point soon where one may want to have a small hub that can do 8-10 ports. Not high bandwidth, but given the smaller form factor, one could squeeze a lot more ports in a smaller footprint. I'd like to have a super hub that is tucked under my desk that has both of these ports [A and C]. This is the best solution by far that I have seen.

Echoing commend about not wanting this to be an octopus type, would prefer all to be on one side.
 
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Can we use it without power delivery? Or is it small only to make fancy shoots? (with the power brick probably double the size of the dock/hub/whatever)
 
It was almost an instant buy but then I realized I would still need dongles for Ethernet and HDMI until I get a new monitor.
 
In for one! Had almost pulled the trigger on the OWC version of this type of hub a few times. Glad I waited. The CalDigit has more USB-A, a better placement for the power input, and ships this month (not May like OWC).

And no tax + free shipping on the CalDigit. $139.99 o_O
 
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Can we use it without power delivery? Or is it small only to make fancy shoots? (with the power brick probably double the size of the dock/hub/whatever)

You won't be able to connect/use it without connecting the included brick to a power source.
 
What is the point of making it small then? Should at least have an integrated power supply

The point of making it small is so it doesn't take up a lot of room on my desk. The brick can go on the floor, where it belongs.
 
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In for one!

My onlyyyy tiny gripe is that I really wish companies would stop including the host port when advertising the total number of ports. It makes searching for exactly what you need a pain. This has 7 usable ports (4x USB & 3x TB4) and 1 Host TB4 port.
Exactly....I have the OWC TB3 hub.......3xTB3 and 1 host TB3 port. And TB4 is just TB3 renamed!!!

Okay for those who responded:
The only advantage of TB4 for me would be the .2m cables.
 
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Wondering why USB-C "hubs" are not more popular. We will be at a point soon where one may want to have a small hub that can do 8-10 ports. Not high bandwidth, but given the smaller form factor, one could squeeze a lot more ports in a smaller footprint. I'd like to have a super hub that is tucked under my desk that has both of these ports [A and C]. This is the best solution by far that I have seen.

Echoing commend about not wanting this to be an octopus type, would prefer all to be on one side.
I think it has to do with the massive power that is possible to sent over the new standard. USB 2.0 was 2.5W with USB 3.0 having 4.5W but using a USB-C connector you can have 100W. I can already see people buying a "5 port" USB C "hub" and complaining about the loaf of bread sized power supply that it needs to produce 500W of power....or conversely people complaining when they try and power several devices and the little wall plug isn't big enough to provide power to those accessories.

The USB Implementers Forum have really created a consumer nightmare by trying to keep devices that need massive power and simple devices all using the "same" USB standard. It really should have been split into high and low power branches. Maybe that is why Apple is keeping Lighting around? Using that for lower powered devices and USB C for devices that need more power?
 
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So only 60w charging for laptops? Yawn. Sticking with my 87w TS3+ until they make a TS4+

I bet CalDigit won't announce/release a replacement for the TS3+ until we see the replacement for the 16" Intel MBP. That machine is the most power-hungry laptop we'll ever see from Apple. So going forward, I think the max power input future MacBooks will need is 60w. And CalDigit can make a TS3+ replacement that probably won't need/do 87w.
 
Would this work if I had it connected to my iMac Pro and plugged my LG 5K into it? (I like to use the extra screen with this and my MacBook Air and would save me fishing round the back.) I suspect not but I don’t get the technicalities of it all 😂)
Display support: Should work fine. The Thunderbolt signal containing the two Thunderbolt DisplayPort 1.2 streams from the iMac Pro is passed through the hub to the LG 5K which converts the Thunderbolt DisplayPort streams back into DisplayPort (one stream for the left half and another stream for the right half).

Only the Apple Pro Display XDR has a problem with intermediate Thunderbolt devices between the display and host when the host does not support DSC. Without DSC, two DisplayPort 1.4 streams are used but that doesn't work without a direct connection and some trick of the Apple drivers (the problem is dual HBR3 streams would exceed 40 Gbps limit of Thunderbolt but 6K60 doesn't require all the bandwidth of dual HBR3 and Thunderbolt doesn't transmit the stuffing symbols of DisplayPort used to fill the HBR3 streams so it can work with Apple's trick - I think Windows drivers don't have the same trick so in that case you need a GPU that supports DSC?).

For non-Thunderbolt displays, the hub has three Thunderbolt ports and you can use any two of them for displays. This is a limit of the Goshen Ridge Thunderbolt controller used in the hub. The limit was chosen because there are no Intel Thunderbolt hosts that transmit more than two DisplayPort Thunderbolt streams. I wonder if the eGPUs that connect DisplayPort outputs from their GPUs to the DisplayPort inputs of their Titan Ridge Thunderbolt controller (Blackmagic and Sonnet 5500 XT/5700) can add DisplayPort streams to the Thunderbolt signal (in addition to the streams coming from the host). To connect 3 or more displays, only one can be HBR2 (4K60). The others need to be HBR (1440p60) or RBR (1080p60). Of course, no-one would do that since they could just connect additional displays directly to the eGPUs (there are no Thunderbolt HBR or RBR displays).

USB ports and bandwidth: I wonder if they added any USB controllers to fill up the Thunderbolt bandwidth of 22 Gbps? I suppose for USB4 support and to lower cost, they just chained a couple 10 Gbps 4-port hubs together internally so the limit for all 7 ports is 10 Gbps.

Old Mac support: people have shown with the OWC hub that Thunderbolt 4 hubs work with Thunderbolt 2 Macs running Big Sur. You can connect more than one Thunderbolt device to the hub. I haven't seen anyone explain what happens in Catalina.

Old macOS and boot support: OWC says you can boot from their Thunderbolt 4 Hub - I don't think there would be any difference in capabilities between Thunderbolt 4 hubs/docks except for the extra chips included that provide for the extra ports (probably all USB hubs and adapters). If you can boot from a Thunderbolt device, then it implies EFI support for all 3 downstream Thunderbolt ports. Doesn't that mean EFI has more support than Catalina (since Big Sur is required for these Thunderbolt 4 hubs/docks)? If EFI can enumerate all the devices and start boot of Catalina, then the enumerated devices should remain when the OS boots unless the OS un-enumerates them. Maybe all the ports can work in Catalina if you don't hot plug the hub?

Chaining multiple hubs: OWC says their Thunderbolt 4 hub needs to be connected directly to the host. If it's connected anywhere else then there is some loss of function (but they don't say what). CalDigit says you can connect the CalDigit Thunderbolt hub to the CalDigit TS3+. Neither mentions anything about chaining hubs together. I don't think there's anything in the USB4 spec that says you can't chain hubs.
 
Performance: The CalDigit product page says there hub is 40 Gbps and USB-C hubs are 5 or 10 Gbps. But they don't mention other Thunderbolt devices which are also 40 Gbps and they don't separate or include display data from other data.
To be more precise:
1) Thunderbolt in general: 40 Gbps total, 24 Gbps PCIe, 34.56 Gbps dual DisplayPort 1.2, 25.92 Gbps DisplayPort 1.4
2) USB-C gen 2: 22.66 Gbps total, 9.7 Gbps USB, 12.96 Gbps DisplayPort 1.4, 8.64 DisplayPort 1.2
3) USB-C gen 1: 16.96 Gbps total, 4 Gbps USB, 12.96 Gbps DisplayPort 1.4, 8.64 DisplayPort 1.2 (some such hubs may not support DP 1.4)

Thunderbolt 4 Hub (OWC or CalDigit): can perform as #2 with only direct connect USB devices or as #1 with downstream Thunderbolt devices or as a combination (USB uses PCIe data while the CalDigit is connected as #1).

A USB hub may contain a DisplayPort 1.4 MST Hub that supports DSC. If you have a GPU and OS that supports DSC (AMD navi and Catalina) then it may effectively double the display bandwidth using compression. The MST Hub decompresses the stream for displays that don't support DSC. This is how you can use a 4K 60Hz display with a USB-C hub like the CalDigit SOHO. But Apple broke DSC support in Big Sur (still broken in 11.2).
 
I would like them to clarify how many buses this unit has, they mention "Thunderbolt 4 ports provide speeds up to 40Gb/s, while the USB-A ports can reach up to 10Gb/s".

But what happens when I plug 3 Thunderbolt 3 peripherals into it, one to each TB3 port, unless there's a separate bus, there's going to be a sizable speed hit, same goes with the USB-A ports. I'm assuming the 3 TB ports share the 40Gb/s bandwidth and the 4 USB-A share the 10Gb/s, but maybe I'm wrong, it would be nice for CalDigit to clarify this.
 
I would like them to clarify how many buses this unit has, they mention "Thunderbolt 4 ports provide speeds up to 40Gb/s, while the USB-A ports can reach up to 10Gb/s".

But what happens when I plug 3 Thunderbolt 3 peripherals into it, one to each TB3 port, unless there's a separate bus, there's going to be a sizable speed hit, same goes with the USB-A ports. I'm assuming the 3 TB ports share the 40Gb/s bandwidth and the 4 USB-A share the 10Gb/s, but maybe I'm wrong, it would be nice for CalDigit to clarify this.
They have a very responsive chat on their website. I've contacted them in the past about technical questions and they responded swiftly every time.
I asked the brand and type of DAC used in the the TS3+ and was put in direct contact with their tech department and had the answer within 15mins.
 
Wondering why USB-C "hubs" are not more popular. We will be at a point soon where one may want to have a small hub that can do 8-10 ports. Not high bandwidth, but given the smaller form factor, one could squeeze a lot more ports in a smaller footprint. I'd like to have a super hub that is tucked under my desk that has both of these ports [A and C]. This is the best solution by far that I have seen.

Echoing commend about not wanting this to be an octopus type, would prefer all to be on one side.
In part technical reasons, in part price. Up until now their TS3+ was probably the best hub you could buy, but it was still just under 300$.
This is going to sell like crazy I believe. It's priced right and has most of the features people are looking for.
 
I would like them to clarify how many buses this unit has, they mention "Thunderbolt 4 ports provide speeds up to 40Gb/s, while the USB-A ports can reach up to 10Gb/s".

But what happens when I plug 3 Thunderbolt 3 peripherals into it, one to each TB3 port, unless there's a separate bus, there's going to be a sizable speed hit, same goes with the USB-A ports. I'm assuming the 3 TB ports share the 40Gb/s bandwidth and the 4 USB-A share the 10Gb/s, but maybe I'm wrong, it would be nice for CalDigit to clarify this.
There's ≈24 Gbps of PCIe bandwidth total (3000 MB/s) shared by all ports. Same as any Thunderbolt 3 device that ever existed. There's no speed hit unless you're transferring to multiple devices at the same time in the same direction (the send and receive lines are separate so you should be able to transmit 3000 MB/s and receive 3000 MB/s at the same time but I've never seen that tested).

If you're asking about the USB ports of the CalDigit, Then I am guessing the max is 10 Gbps with the following arrangement:
two USB four-port hubs chained together and connected to one USB port of the USB controller of the Goshen Ridge Thunderbolt controller. For USB devices, the Thunderbolt ports will be controlled by one of the USB hubs and the USB-A ports will be controlled by the other USB hub. The upstream of the USB controller uses part of the 24 Gbps PCIe bandwidth.

If the host is not Thunderbolt or USB4 with PCIe tunnelling, then of course the max data bandwidth will be 10 Gbps and PCIe devices won't work.
 
I had been waiting for the OWC hub but I think I'm going to go for this one instead - its about £100 cheaper (and I don't actually need the LAN or headphone socket on OWC). Wish this one had SD card socket, but I can get a cheap USB -> SD adapter. Also this one supports superdrive (apparently the OWC doesn't) which I need. So thanks to macrumors for posting this article!
 
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So only US and UK preorders?
I'd love to preorder, but I'm elsewhere in the EU.
 
Display support: Should work fine. The Thunderbolt signal containing the two Thunderbolt DisplayPort 1.2 streams from the iMac Pro is passed through the hub to the LG 5K which converts the Thunderbolt DisplayPort streams back into DisplayPort (one stream for the left half and another stream for the right half).

Only the Apple Pro Display XDR has a problem with intermediate Thunderbolt devices between the display and host when the host does not support DSC. Without DSC, two DisplayPort 1.4 streams are used but that doesn't work without a direct connection and some trick of the Apple drivers (the problem is dual HBR3 streams would exceed 40 Gbps limit of Thunderbolt but 6K60 doesn't require all the bandwidth of dual HBR3 and Thunderbolt doesn't transmit the stuffing symbols of DisplayPort used to fill the HBR3 streams so it can work with Apple's trick - I think Windows drivers don't have the same trick so in that case you need a GPU that supports DSC?).

For non-Thunderbolt displays, the hub has three Thunderbolt ports and you can use any two of them for displays. This is a limit of the Goshen Ridge Thunderbolt controller used in the hub. The limit was chosen because there are no Intel Thunderbolt hosts that transmit more than two DisplayPort Thunderbolt streams. I wonder if the eGPUs that connect DisplayPort outputs from their GPUs to the DisplayPort inputs of their Titan Ridge Thunderbolt controller (Blackmagic and Sonnet 5500 XT/5700) can add DisplayPort streams to the Thunderbolt signal (in addition to the streams coming from the host). To connect 3 or more displays, only one can be HBR2 (4K60). The others need to be HBR (1440p60) or RBR (1080p60). Of course, no-one would do that since they could just connect additional displays directly to the eGPUs (there are no Thunderbolt HBR or RBR displays).

USB ports and bandwidth: I wonder if they added any USB controllers to fill up the Thunderbolt bandwidth of 22 Gbps? I suppose for USB4 support and to lower cost, they just chained a couple 10 Gbps 4-port hubs together internally so the limit for all 7 ports is 10 Gbps.

Old Mac support: people have shown with the OWC hub that Thunderbolt 4 hubs work with Thunderbolt 2 Macs running Big Sur. You can connect more than one Thunderbolt device to the hub. I haven't seen anyone explain what happens in Catalina.

Old macOS and boot support: OWC says you can boot from their Thunderbolt 4 Hub - I don't think there would be any difference in capabilities between Thunderbolt 4 hubs/docks except for the extra chips included that provide for the extra ports (probably all USB hubs and adapters). If you can boot from a Thunderbolt device, then it implies EFI support for all 3 downstream Thunderbolt ports. Doesn't that mean EFI has more support than Catalina (since Big Sur is required for these Thunderbolt 4 hubs/docks)? If EFI can enumerate all the devices and start boot of Catalina, then the enumerated devices should remain when the OS boots unless the OS un-enumerates them. Maybe all the ports can work in Catalina if you don't hot plug the hub?

Chaining multiple hubs: OWC says their Thunderbolt 4 hub needs to be connected directly to the host. If it's connected anywhere else then there is some loss of function (but they don't say what). CalDigit says you can connect the CalDigit Thunderbolt hub to the CalDigit TS3+. Neither mentions anything about chaining hubs together. I don't think there's anything in the USB4 spec that says you can't chain hubs.
Thank you for your reply. :)
 
Nice price, but I'd need too many USB-C to xyz dongles to make it functional for me

I think this is designed more with desktop systems in mind (it's obviously not great for mobile use with that power brick), in which case HDMI/DisplayPort dongles are a bit less annoying.

I've got a TB3 iMac and so I've already have to "dongle up" a bit so this would work well (if it's compatible) - I've already got Ethernet and SD card, don't need charging - so the TS3+ seems a bit redundant. This would allow me to connect 2 displays, extra USB-A devices (which I need) without losing both TB3 ports (or, in my case, potential USB-A-to-C dongle holes).

...and if the rumours about new MBPs bringing bacl USB-A/HDMI/MagSafe etc. are true, this would make more sense with those.
 
Does this support multiple trees of Thunderbolt daisy chain like the OWC thunderbolt 4 hub and thunderbolt 4 dock do?
 
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