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I hope you got an honest answer, I just asked what's the max res and hz through miniDP, if I get a good answer I might pull the trigger.

Where did you asked this? I asked on Twitter.

This Thunderbolt Station 2 is using Thunderbolt 2 technology, so it support DisplayPort 1.2 by default according to wiki. Whatever your Mac's Thunderbolt 2 port can support, it should support the same res and hz too.
 
Wtf... why is it always eSata or Firewire and never both... Any reason why no one wants to do them all?
 
Wtf... why is it always eSata or Firewire and never both... Any reason why no one wants to do them all?

I'm guessing its constrained by what permutations of SATA, Firewire USB3 and Ethernet are offered by chipmakers as single-chip, multifunction, PCIe controllers.

Maybe (e.g.) there are no single chips that do USB3 + SATA + Firewire, or older ones that do SATA + Firewire don't support the latest SATA standards for mutipliers etc.

They'd want to keep the chip count down for cost reasons anyway, but also, according to the Sonnet web page for their dock (which does promise Firewire and eSATA, but is sadly looking more and more like vapourware):

"Windows can only support a maximum of two PCIe controllers in one Thunderbolt device."

...moving to Thunderbolt 2 was supposed to solve this, but since almost a year on there's still no sign of the Sonnet dock, maybe it doesn't.
 
This Thunderbolt Station 2 is using Thunderbolt 2 technology, so it support DisplayPort 1.2 by default according to wiki. Whatever your Mac's Thunderbolt 2 port can support, it should support the same res and hz too.
Thanks for the reply, I thought this was the case and you confirmed.

One thing I found anoying is that there's only 1 audio out, and it's at the front, so the spreakers would the one device plugged in on the front. However, it's not a dealbreaker, certainly when you considder the price.
 
Will it support both mini-DP to DVI adapter and HDMI at the same time? The current TB docks don't allow both, unless you use a Thunderbolt Display.
 
I'm guessing its constrained by what permutations of SATA, Firewire USB3 and Ethernet are offered by chipmakers as single-chip, multifunction, PCIe controllers.

Maybe (e.g.) there are no single chips that do USB3 + SATA + Firewire, or older ones that do SATA + Firewire don't support the latest SATA standards for mutipliers etc.

They'd want to keep the chip count down for cost reasons anyway, but also, according to the Sonnet web page for their dock (which does promise Firewire and eSATA, but is sadly looking more and more like vapourware):

"Windows can only support a maximum of two PCIe controllers in one Thunderbolt device."

...moving to Thunderbolt 2 was supposed to solve this, but since almost a year on there's still no sign of the Sonnet dock, maybe it doesn't.

http://www.akitio.com/accessories/thunder-dock
 
Thanks for the reply, I thought this was the case and you confirmed.

However, it's not a dealbreaker, certainly when you considder the price.

Yes. The price is sweet. I can get few of this hubs (and it's thunderbolt 2) with much less price than others. If I want more ports with different interfaces, either wait for Sonnet's or just buy Apple's FireWire adapter.
 
Every time MacRumors runs a story on a thunderbolt whatever, some guy from OWC pipes up with this ad.

"Oh did I heart someone say Thunderbolt? Well let me tell you about the OWC etc etc..."

Tiring.

I had the exact same thought.

The post is so polished that it is almost certain that it is an ad in disguise.
 
Will it support both mini-DP to DVI adapter and HDMI at the same time? The current TB docks don't allow both, unless you use a Thunderbolt Display.

You can't. None of the thunderbolt dock could do that if you read their specs carefully.

But guess what, you can buy two Thunderbolt Station 2 and link them together then you can obtain two HDMI outputs or use two regular none apple thunderbolt displays. Of course, your Mac's GPU must be powerful enough to drive two displays.

This is what I have been doing with their original thunderbolt stations. I chained them together through Thunderbolt cable and output to two HDMIs.

The new version should work the same way. And you pay only 340 bucks for two stations.
 
Well, that actually gives some reasonable differentiation instead of more of the same. With this one versus the OWC, you're basically trading two USB3 ports and the FW800 for two eSATA and the ability to go vertical.

Though it's always nice to have everything, both port sets are legitimately useful depending on what hardware you want to use. Personally I'd probably go for the OWC since it covers what I've got on the shelf better, but the eSATA is pretty cool, especially if it does actually do PM as their reps are claiming.
 
I actually don't care about eSATA... doesn't make sense for most..


OWC has a great dock now with 5 USB 3 ports.. 2 high powered.. MUCH prefer more USB 3 ports over eSATA anyway.. AND includes a FireWire 800 port.. for those of us with legacy FW equipment.

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You can order now and get it in January. I was able to get in on the Dec list.. should be coming anytime now.. Check out full info on OWC's Thunderbolt 2 Dock here... https://eshop.macsales.com/preorder/OWC-Thunderbolt2-Dock/

  • (5) USB 3.0 ports - Five USB 3.0 ports add exceptional flexibility to your Mac, including two side-facing, high-powered USB 3.0 ports designed for power hungry devices and tablets.
  • (1) FireWire 800 port - Daisy-chain: 63 devices. Connect a wide variety of popular external storage solutions and audio interfaces.
  • (2) Thunderbolt 2 ports - Daisy-chain: 5 devices + display Connect up to five Thunderbolt devices plus a display. Dual ports provide up to 20 Gb/s of bandwidth and phenomenal performance.
  • (1) HDMI and 4K - With support for resolutions up to 4K via HDMI 1.4b, you can be assured your HDMI capable display, TV, or projector is compatible.
  • (1) Gigabit Ethernet - Missing the Ethernet port on your new Air or Retina laptop? This dock has you covered with a full-speed Gigabit Ethernet port that requires no configuration.
  • (1) Mic / Line In - Connect a microphone or any other line-in audio source.
  • (1) Audio / Line Out - Hook up your favorite headphones, speakers, monitors, or other gear.

I lost interest and trust in OWC products when their mini stack would cause problems with Bluetooth. They say it is because that is just what USB 3.0 does, yet fail to account for that in the design or marketing. If this is a known issue inherit in USB 3 and Bluetooth, account for that in the design and warn people in the marketing. The comments in the blog continually failed to address this issue and just blamed USB 3.

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Problem I have with OWC though is with their claimed speeds...Don't tell me it's a USB 3.0 connection (500MB/s bus speed) but it can only runs at 300MB/s. It's that reason that I don't know that I can trust OWC's enclosures anymore (and I own about 15 of them) with their outdated controllers...

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Thanks for pointing this out. I don't buy from OWC anymore because I simply don't trust them to design and build good products that work as you expect. There have been some hidden issues that users find out and then OWC points to the fine print or some white paper spec to shift the blame.
 
You can't. None of the thunderbolt dock could do that if you read their specs carefully.

But guess what, you can buy two Thunderbolt Station 2 and link them together then you can obtain two HDMI outputs or use two regular none apple thunderbolt displays. Of course, your Mac's GPU must be powerful enough to drive two displays.

This is what I have been doing with their original thunderbolt stations. I chained them together through Thunderbolt cable and output to two HDMIs.

The new version should work the same way. And you pay only 340 bucks for two stations.
That's too bad. I don't need to have TWO TB stations just to use 2 non-TB Displays. That's just crazy. I'll just continue to plug the 2nd monitor to my MBP's HDMI port.
 
cant you simply get an Apple adapter? FireWire to Thunderbolt , only cost you 29 bucks or less.
perhaps, but it will hog up the whole port, as it ends the daisy chain.


Then Thunderbolt would need to be completely redesigned. That will never work.
I know you are technically correct, but speaking as a consumer I'm just saying what I want. But at the very least in the specs it should be required that any Thunderbolt device needs to have 2 ports so that they do not terminate the daisy chain. To many device makers are being lazy and hurting the experience.
 
Just bring one hub also with:

- Six Thunderbolt ports.
- Six USB 3 ports.
- Six eSATA ports.
- Six FireWire ports.

The ultimate Mac hub.
 
Yup, that one has SATA and Firewire - but they've left out the ethernet!

Because inXtron is a storage company, they focus to propose what would be the best solution in this regard.
 
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I actually don't care about eSATA... doesn't make sense for most..


OWC has a great dock now with 5 USB 3 ports.. 2 high powered.. MUCH prefer more USB 3 ports over eSATA anyway.. AND includes a FireWire 800 port.. for those of us with legacy FW equipment.

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You can order now and get it in January. I was able to get in on the Dec list.. should be coming anytime now.. Check out full info on OWC's Thunderbolt 2 Dock here... https://eshop.macsales.com/preorder/OWC-Thunderbolt2-Dock/

  • (5) USB 3.0 ports - Five USB 3.0 ports add exceptional flexibility to your Mac, including two side-facing, high-powered USB 3.0 ports designed for power hungry devices and tablets.
  • (1) FireWire 800 port - Daisy-chain: 63 devices. Connect a wide variety of popular external storage solutions and audio interfaces.
  • (2) Thunderbolt 2 ports - Daisy-chain: 5 devices + display Connect up to five Thunderbolt devices plus a display. Dual ports provide up to 20 Gb/s of bandwidth and phenomenal performance.
  • (1) HDMI and 4K - With support for resolutions up to 4K via HDMI 1.4b, you can be assured your HDMI capable display, TV, or projector is compatible.
  • (1) Gigabit Ethernet - Missing the Ethernet port on your new Air or Retina laptop? This dock has you covered with a full-speed Gigabit Ethernet port that requires no configuration.
  • (1) Mic / Line In - Connect a microphone or any other line-in audio source.
  • (1) Audio / Line Out - Hook up your favorite headphones, speakers, monitors, or other gear.

I see OWCs sales department has chimed in :rolleyes:
 
Sonnet
"Windows can only support a maximum of two PCIe controllers in one Thunderbolt device."

Did Sonnet say that? I dont think that is correct. I have two caldigit thunderbolt stations and they work just fine in Windows environment. I think it has more than two PCIe controllers.
 
Just bring one hub also with:

- Six Thunderbolt ports.
- Six USB 3 ports.
- Six eSATA ports.
- Six FireWire ports.

The ultimate Mac hub.

You forgot to add
- Six HDMI ports.
- Six 10G-Ethernet ports.
- Six Audio In/Out ports.

With each bank of ports controlled by a dedicated chip.
 
You forgot to add
- Six HDMI ports.
- Six 10G-Ethernet ports.
- Six Audio In/Out ports.

With each bank of ports controlled by a dedicated chip.

I know I know, but you pay 3500 dollars for it vs Caldigit's $169 hub that has all below :)

1 1G Ethernet
1 HDMI
2 Thunderbolt
3 USB
2 Audio in/out
2 eSATA!!!!
 
I know you are technically correct, but speaking as a consumer I'm just saying what I want. But at the very least in the specs it should be required that any Thunderbolt device needs to have 2 ports so that they do not terminate the daisy chain. To many device makers are being lazy and hurting the experience.
It's technically supposed to support it, at least as originally described. I don't know if the actual implementation out there supports it though.
 
Did Sonnet say that? I dont think that is correct. I have two caldigit thunderbolt stations and they work just fine in Windows environment. I think it has more than two PCIe controllers.

Its a direct quote from the 'Shipping status update' tab at http://www.sonnettech.com/product/echo15prothunderboltdock.html

I may be talking out of my hat here, but I think the caldigit dock would only need 1 PCIe device for Ethernet and 1 for a 4-port USB3 controller. Think I heard that the sound is actually provided by USB device (which would explain why there's only 3 free USB ports). The HDMI comes from the DisplayPort output of the thunderbolt controller.
 
I didn't realize that the OWC would be bandwidth constrained. What is the bandwidth for each port on the caldigit*dock?
 
I lost interest and trust in OWC products when their mini stack would cause problems with Bluetooth. They say it is because that is just what USB 3.0 does, yet fail to account for that in the design or marketing. If this is a known issue inherit in USB 3 and Bluetooth, account for that in the design and warn people in the marketing. The comments in the blog continually failed to address this issue and just blamed USB 3.
It is a known issue with USB 3, across a wide range of brands. Apparently accounting for it in the design isn't (or wasn't) so simple otherwise most people would have done so.

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Yup, that one has SATA and Firewire - but they've left out the ethernet!
And the HDMI.

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I wish we could have something with a thunderbolt hub type functionality, not just daisy chained. thanks to many manufacturers (external HDD's, apple dongles, etc) not including a second port for daisy chaining I have like even 15 end nodes with most of my computers only having 1-2 TB ports on the actual machine it is a pain.
Devices without a second TB port mostly are fine with USB 3 (exception SSDs) speeds, meaning a TB dock with are larger number of USB 3 ports or a USB 3 hub connected to a TB dock should work fine. Of course, whether a single TB link and a single USB 3 link (from TB dock to USB 3 hub) can support the desired throughput is another question (but then the two TB ports on most Macs come from a single bus as the do the USB 3 ports, and the HDMI is currently limited to 1920 x 1080).
 
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