I'm a medical student and I concur. I've been using the iPad Pro and Pencil with Notability since I was in undergrad. I use my 12.9 iPad Pro now for just about everything. The addition of the Magic Keyboard has further enabled me to work mostly without my laptop. I did just buy the M1 MacBook Air because our exams are proctored using software that requires macOS and honestly, although it's not as flexible, I've really enjoyed the functionality, speed, battery life, keyboard, and its more portable than my iPad Pro + Magic Keyboard combo.
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California State University Offering iPad Air, Apple Pencil, and Keyboard to 35,000 Incoming Students
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Overweight backpack? That's so Macbook.
An iPad replaces all your notebooks, and in most cases today, textbooks and photocopies. Not to mention your pens and highlighters...
Most of the hard sciences, math, finance and other business courses I took I would have loved an ipad. It's a huge leap forward.
Well, as a guy with a very “practical” education (Engineering Bachelors and Finance MBA), I would hate to think of a world only populated by STEM and Law students.
My daughter graduated with a BA in International Relations and got a great job right out of school. She was making over $100K at 25 y.o., plus full benefits. Loved her job. She recently was admitted to the #1 graduate school for Public Health. She doesn’t see her undergraduate degree as useless.
There are plenty of STEM bachelors degrees that are marginally employable. For example, there are very limited opportunities for someone with just a BS in biology, geology, and meteorology. There are plenty of law students that graduate with a mountain of debt and can’t find a decent paying job unless they are from a top 10 school. By no means am I saying people should not study these subjects. I am just saying it is inaccurate to generalize that only STEM and Law are worthwhile fields of study.
People were fine with laptops even before tablets came in the picture. To use your quote, tablets don't work for everyone either.
And if you are comparing the iPad Pro and the M1 Air, the iPad Pro is more expensive
Ironically, iPad Pro + Magic Keyboard is heavier than the M1 MBA LOL
Uh oh, seems someone did not properly do their research or totally unaware of the working environments of the people in those field
How can it be awkward when the iPad Pro + Magic Keyboard is almost the same size?
I will say it again. It looks like there are incentives to force the idea that iPads should be used when laptops are totally adequate
I was not describing the working environments, I was referring to the college environments. Don't blame me that these are different.Ironically, iPad Pro + Magic Keyboard is heavier than the M1 MBA LOL
Uh oh, seems someone did not properly do their research or totally unaware of the working environments of the people in those field
For starters, this is an Air, not a Pro. It's 10 inches, not 13.
And second, like I said, you'd leave out the keyboard when going to class.
I will say it again. It looks like there are incentives to force the idea that iPads should be used when laptops are totally adequate
I will say it again: your needs aren't everyone's needs.
Over 40 years ago, I went to a Cal State University. It was a heck of a bargain back then. Today, Tuition runs about $7K per year and Housing with meal plan runs about $13K (we are talking about California). Add books, fees and other expenses and you are looking at $25K per year. If you can get out in 4 years, which is problematic because of impacted programs at CSU, then the full cost is $100K. Many students are on some type of assistance, such as loans and grants, but the point is someone is covering the $100K....tax payer, student, parent, donor, etc..
I mention this to put the whole cost issue in some perspective. If CSU wants to give students iPads, that's fine. Personally, I think most students will buy laptops anyway and use their iPad as a secondary device and an additional screen. But, I would not pretend that buying iPads is somehow cheaper or more cost effective than buying laptops. There is almost no difference in cost between an iPad Air with accessories and a new MBA. The tiny difference is lost in the noise compared to the full cost of a college education.
My daughter is working on various papers for grad school. She needs to have multiple documents open and a large number of references and citations to track. She has to move swiftly and seamlessly between applications and documents. An iPad would be a disaster for this type of work.
IMHO, I think CSU should have bought the students laptops, and then let the students decide if they want to buy a secondary device like an iPad on their own dime.
I mention this to put the whole cost issue in some perspective. If CSU wants to give students iPads, that's fine. Personally, I think most students will buy laptops anyway and use their iPad as a secondary device and an additional screen. But, I would not pretend that buying iPads is somehow cheaper or more cost effective than buying laptops. There is almost no difference in cost between an iPad Air with accessories and a new MBA. The tiny difference is lost in the noise compared to the full cost of a college education.
My daughter is working on various papers for grad school. She needs to have multiple documents open and a large number of references and citations to track. She has to move swiftly and seamlessly between applications and documents. An iPad would be a disaster for this type of work.
IMHO, I think CSU should have bought the students laptops, and then let the students decide if they want to buy a secondary device like an iPad on their own dime.
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Someone is getting a nice kickback since this failed at the lower USD level but somehow passed at the higher CSU level. They're setting up these students that are about to enter the work force for failure. A laptop or even Chromebook would've been better but at least give them a choice.
https://www.govtech.com/education/what-went-wrong-with-la-unifieds-ipad-program.html
https://www.govtech.com/education/what-went-wrong-with-la-unifieds-ipad-program.html
1. A chromebook? Why not just install chrome on your ipad?
2. There are major advantages to students all having the same mobility equipment particularly for tech enabled classrooms and engagement tools
3. On failure, I'd say ipad pros are already the most popular mobility device for the executives in my circle so the device itself isn't limiting success. Also, generally, for specialized applications, most Universities will have labs with the appropriate hardware and software that students use anyway. Not to mention that many of those applications won't install on a mbp.
I actually think we're in a major transition, and a year or two away, from seeing how apple is really changing mobile computing.
Not even the same. Safari on iPadOS isn't a full desktop browser like on MacOS/Windows/Linux/ChromeOS.
Yeah, not related to my argument. Though I suppose most executives were students... So learning set theory, another thing better on an ipad. : )
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Safari? Huh? So install chrome on the ipad. K-12 in my district all all using google cloud, which is hardware agnostic.
If you're in K-12 then it's not expected that you're aware that other browsers on iPadOS/iOS are just reskinned Safari with the same limitations so a lot of web apps don't fully work or work at all.
Meh, real engineers uses slide rules, HP 41 caluclaters and punch cards.
Well, if you need a 27 inch monitor a laptop just becomes a mini; and yiu can put a big monitor on an iPad as well. Apple does need to up the multitasking game but that is an iPadOS limitation, not hardware.
So ithe Air replaces a heavier laptop as well as books. Seems like it could be a plus to me.
MacOS would be a step back for an iPad; unkess it is completely redesigned of touch operation; and a mouse isn't touch. A better solution is to keep iPadOS moving to gretaer capablity.
and has a huge surplus this year.
As an engineer, my take is engineers should take more liberal arts courses to deevlop a broader picture of hwo things work. Any smart engineer is goung to windup leaving typical engineering work and move into positions where a broader understanding of the world is much more valuable than being able to design a widget, and much more lucrative.
Her liberal arts degree got her into med school. STEM degrees are not a panacea, unless you are in a very specific niche, otherwise it can very well be just a path to some low level coding job or no job at all. Even an MD is pretty much only useful if you go into a specialty since a GP can be repalced by an NP with no loss in teh quality of care, and cost less.
Same here. After my MBA I have not worked as an engineer and do not regret the choice. Engineering gave me a way to look at problems, and the MBA the way to get solutions implemented.
A well rounded education can be quite useful. I think UChicago's core currilculm is a good way to develop well rounded graduates, whether they are liberal arts or technical majors.
Everyone sees STEM as a cure all when it isn't. Some fields are certainly high paying and in demand, but as you point out tehre are those that essentially are the first step to a PHD becasue jobs are hard to find.
Very true, but iPad OS is definitely not up to it in the present.
Finally, someone who understands!
Seriously, though, until Apple figures out how to make it possible to do technical/programming work on iPad, it's not a good idea unless the students are only going to be writing essays, emails and taking notes. Maybe that's the case, though, at that University.
Generally, though, giving everyone the same thing is not going to be a good fit for many.
I suspect that they anticipate using the ipads for in class engagement - like quizzes, polls, slide sharing etc... so there may be some community benefits from the deploying a standard solution.
you guys realize that this is an iPad Rental Program, right?
and NOT free iPads for incoming students but a loan program where you need to give them back the iPad at the last term.
the program is intended for those attending students from low income background, ie. aged-out foster kids with no income
besides, if an iPad or tablet isn't a good fit for the student's needs, these universities already have laptop rental programs. either from the university or student government organizations.
and NOT free iPads for incoming students but a loan program where you need to give them back the iPad at the last term.
the program is intended for those attending students from low income background, ie. aged-out foster kids with no income
besides, if an iPad or tablet isn't a good fit for the student's needs, these universities already have laptop rental programs. either from the university or student government organizations.
Fair point.
Unfortunately, it's not that simple for translators who are bound to CAT-based workflows. As of this writing, no worthwhile CAT tools exist for iPadOS. Once that changes, it might be an option. Web apps for translators need to become much more robust to drive such a change.
If you've never used iPadOS devices to translate documents in a paid and professional capacity on a deadline, then you probably don't know what I'm talking about.