Call Of duty World War 2 On Radeon pro 580 (AMD driver 17.7.2 required problem)

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So I just installed the Cod WWII and I cant even load the setting cause it says: I at least need 17.7.2 havent Got the chance to test the Game itself But, Its really An issue if apple is not keeping Up With Games in terms of drivers
Anybody With the new 5k imacs dealt with the same issues?
And I checked out bootcampdrivers.com; And to be honest I Personally dont want to risk installing Unofficial drivers Unless someone else has tested It and made sure it doesnt damage anything (GPU damage is not something I want to risk for sure)

So to put what this thread is about in a sentence:

How To Get compatible drivers for newest Games with out risking GPU-damage (and specially im talkin about The new COD and Assassins creed Origin)
Thanks for reading and sorry for punctuation/Grammatical Errors
 

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So I just installed the Cod WWII and I cant even load the setting cause it says: I at least need 17.7.2 havent Got the chance to test the Game itself But, Its really An issue if apple is not keeping Up With Games in terms of drivers
Anybody With the new 5k imacs dealt with the same issues?
And I checked out bootcampdrivers.com; And to be honest I Personally dont want to risk installing Unofficial drivers Unless someone else has tested It and made sure it doesnt damage anything (GPU damage is not something I want to risk for sure)

So to put what this thread is about in a sentence:

How To Get compatible drivers for newest Games with out risking GPU-damage (and specially im talkin about The new COD and Assassins creed Origin)
Thanks for reading and sorry for punctuation/Grammatical Errors
Go to AMD official drivers page.
http://support.amd.com/en-us/download
AMD has been very active and offering new drivers (they’re now 17.11.something).
I don’t see any risk at doing this way: you’ll have to search for your Radeon & your Windows version. Install new drivers when you’re in Windows, of course.
 

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Have you done this yourself?
People say Amd doesnt let you install Official drivers unless its bootcamp so Youll probably gonna run into certificate problems And It probably wont install
Furthermore,radeon pro 580 Is not listed In compatiblity lost of newest drivers i guess And there is a Mac graphics section that Just lets you download the bootcamp drivers from amd And Well those drivers are old
Im not sure though
 

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No, I haven’t done.
I’m supposing (as you mention Bootcamp) that is the Windows version of the game wich is asking for new drivers. Well... that’s usual in Windows...!
I suppose also that you have Radeon 580... or 570... They’re what AMD tags as RX500 Series.
It’s an official page... I think the worst thing that could happen is that they wouldn’t work (I doubt it; I’ve read from other people doing this, wich is completely usual & logical).
Just remember you’re in Windows (I think) and forget about Bootcamp (it made its job; is up to you to keep Windows actualized).
Don’t worry; not a real problem. If you use Windows regularly, perhaps you’ll need to install newer drivers for printer or new devices...
OS X make these things in a more automated & centralized way (nice).
 

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the game runs ok on almost maximum setting 1440p there are framdrops here and there hut its fine really and of course who can okay the latest cod on mac it probably will never be released on mac...
im running win 10 on bootcamp
and nope its radeon pro 580 not rx580
pro 580 is uniquely designed for imac i guess
 

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So it seems. Very little info on the web about “pro 580”... but it is said to be just a RX580 with a lower clock speed to contain heating (yeah, seems special for iMac).
Anyhow, I think you should tinker in AMD web & your Windows. I still remember reading someone saying he/she had to download Radeon drivers in Windows...
By the way... how does Windows list the graphics card? Is there a “control panel” or something? (sorry, no Win user).
Sorry; just thought I could help you as I’m sure I’ve read about it (don’t remember where).
 

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So it seems. Very little info on the web about “pro 580”... but it is said to be just a RX580 with a lower clock speed to contain heating (yeah, seems special for iMac).
Anyhow, I think you should tinker in AMD web & your Windows. I still remember reading someone saying he/she had to download Radeon drivers in Windows...
By the way... how does Windows list the graphics card? Is there a “control panel” or something? (sorry, no Win user).
Sorry; just thought I could help you as I’m sure I’ve read about it (don’t remember where).

I also have this issue, how do I install the boot camp drivers?
 

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Take a look at this:
https://www.bootcampdrivers.com/

Well, I’m not a Bootcamp nor Windows user! I just thought Bootcamp provides latest drivers (Apple can upgrade Bootcamp)... but I believed you could install from Windows, like in any other pc. Sorry, perhaps I’m wrong.
[doublepost=1509828442][/doublepost]But if you read carefully, AMD offers the drivers to Bootcamp users too. I haven’t read all the info and faqs.

http://support.amd.com/en-us/download

I think Pro580 is in the RX500 tag ... but I can’t assure.
 

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Take a look at this:
https://www.bootcampdrivers.com/

Well, I’m not a Bootcamp nor Windows user! I just thought Bootcamp provides latest drivers (Apple can upgrade Bootcamp)... but I believed you could install from Windows, like in any other pc. Sorry, perhaps I’m wrong.
[doublepost=1509828442][/doublepost]But if you read carefully, AMD offers the drivers to Bootcamp users too. I haven’t read all the info and faqs.

http://support.amd.com/en-us/download

I think Pro580 is in the RX500 tag ... but I can’t assure.
Unless something has changed recently, this does not work. Amd blacklist Apple products so that the drivers will not install.
This has been the most frustrating part of apple moving to amd as nvidia drivers worked direct from nvidia.

You can use boot campdrivers.com and although I really appreciate what the guy does, the drivers end up being buggy.
 

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Unless something has changed recently, this does not work. Amd blacklist Apple products so that the drivers will not install.
This has been the most frustrating part of apple moving to amd as nvidia drivers worked direct from nvidia.

You can use boot campdrivers.com and although I really appreciate what the guy does, the drivers end up being buggy.
I can’t repeat this post enough. The guy works hard, but you really need to be willing to accept issues in different applications. It’s always a driver issue in Bootcamp. I have strong opinions on gaming on a Mac, but I don’t bring it up in here any longer. Too many attacks. :rolleyes:
 

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I can’t repeat this post enough. The guy works hard, but you really need to be willing to accept issues in different applications. It’s always a driver issue in Bootcamp. I have strong opinions on gaming on a Mac, but I don’t bring it up in here any longer. Too many attacks. :rolleyes:
I reinstalled everything properly copied the Steam Folder and Everythings fine Call of duty is capped almost always on 60fps(cause i have to ay on 60 cod doesnt let me Unlock the cap unless i turn of vsync which definitly causes tearing) and the assassins creed origins on high 1440p capped 30fps anything higher caused Lag and im almost sure its a driver issue batman arkham origins Runs 30fps capped(it can get to 40or sth hut i capped it for smoother gameplay) everything maxed out (except for antialiasing which was on 8x instead of the max which is 16x)
Counter strike GO has some serious mouse lag issues
And Overally My bluetooth mouses are laggy in bootcamp indont know why it i only use the keyboard there is no lag but Mice cause lagging anythoughts on this?
[doublepost=1510208588][/doublepost]And Yeah This new imac has a real GPU its To be taken seriously its Better than a 1060 so that is a Gaming Level GPU
And as of 2017 we can run almost anything ultra 1440p (or veryhigh) and it must be just fine for gaming through the next 4-5years Although we might have to tweak the settings down to medium-low down the road
[doublepost=1510208678][/doublepost]And There is almost NO problem with COD performance and that warning abiut the gpu Didnt apply to me
My only problem is that i ordered the 3tb fusion and well this thing boots up windows slow And Loding times Are a bit slow too but the frame rate seems to be FINE
 

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I reinstalled everything properly copied the Steam Folder and Everythings fine Call of duty is capped almost always on 60fps(cause i have to ay on 60 cod doesnt let me Unlock the cap unless i turn of vsync which definitly causes tearing) and the assassins creed origins on high 1440p capped 30fps anything higher caused Lag and im almost sure its a driver issue batman arkham origins Runs 30fps capped(it can get to 40or sth hut i capped it for smoother gameplay) everything maxed out (except for antialiasing which was on 8x instead of the max which is 16x)
Counter strike GO has some serious mouse lag issues
And Overally My bluetooth mouses are laggy in bootcamp indont know why it i only use the keyboard there is no lag but Mice cause lagging anythoughts on this?
[doublepost=1510208588][/doublepost]And Yeah This new imac has a real GPU its To be taken seriously its Better than a 1060 so that is a Gaming Level GPU
And as of 2017 we can run almost anything ultra 1440p (or veryhigh) and it must be just fine for gaming through the next 4-5years Although we might have to tweak the settings down to medium-low down the road
[doublepost=1510208678][/doublepost]And There is almost NO problem with COD performance and that warning abiut the gpu Didnt apply to me
My only problem is that i ordered the 3tb fusion and well this thing boots up windows slow And Loding times Are a bit slow too but the frame rate seems to be FINE
Yeah fusion drives will only install windows on the HDD portion I'm afraid.

You have a couple of options unfuse the fusion drive and have a 128gb ssd and an HDD for storage. more trouble than its worth.

Or just run all your windows from an external ssd that seems the best option to me dead quick over USB 3.
 

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Yeah fusion drives will only install windows on the HDD portion I'm afraid.

You have a couple of options unfuse the fusion drive and have a 128gb ssd and an HDD for storage. more trouble than its worth.

Or just run all your windows from an external ssd that seems the best option to me dead quick over USB 3.
Its really Fine i dont want to do anything risky its fusion drive and im keeping them Together and The external ssd route seems A bit wierd and i dont thing sits gonna be much faster plus i use all the 6usb ports in the back 1 for a wireless mouse chip 2for maschine studio and komplete kontrol(for music production) and 2 for exterbal hdds one for bootcamp back up and the other for mac back up and it works just fine i dont see the need tochange anything the only problem is that its a Bit slow in windows (the ui i mean) but its fine really considering i needed the 3tb and even the 2tb ssd wouldnt have been rnough for me
 

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AMD has published new Bootcamp drivers today:

http://support.amd.com/en-us/download/desktop/bootcamp
could you please give me a direct link for the radeon pro 580 i mean a link that i can simply download cause im afraid something bad might happen this is the first amd gpu i have and im dont know my way around them too well
thnx❤
[doublepost=1510327650][/doublepost]update: i checked for updates using the apple software update app on windows 10 amd it must be downloading the correct dirvers
so how is it with amd should i just click next and wait is there any express setting or sth like that that i need to check
i dont know really im really new to this wierd confusing amd website/drivers
[doublepost=1510328592][/doublepost]any body tested the drivers did anything improve on 2017 games AC origins cod wwii wolfenstein new collosseus or what ever...
 

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I’m sorry about all that hassle. As I told before, I’m not using Bootcamp, nor Windows. I’ve just reading a lot about this Bootcamp thing, as my last iMac is broken right now (working on iOS for weeks!) & I’m getting a new model. I plan installing Windows, and I thought upgrading vid. drivers was easy; it seems so with NVidia cards. AMD seems to be a little more lazy with drivers, and 580 Pro is a special edition from a modified RX580.
But link belongs to a legit AMD website... so I suppose installing from there will include instructions or a helpful software app to upgrade.
By the way, things like this remembers me about the very kind & diligent way Apple serves us up-to-date upgradings!
 

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I’m sorry about all that hassle. As I told before, I’m not using Bootcamp, nor Windows. I’ve just reading a lot about this Bootcamp thing, as my last iMac is broken right now (working on iOS for weeks!) & I’m getting a new model. I plan installing Windows, and I thought upgrading vid. drivers was easy; it seems so with NVidia cards. AMD seems to be a little more lazy with drivers, and 580 Pro is a special edition from a modified RX580.
But link belongs to a legit AMD website... so I suppose installing from there will include instructions or a helpful software app to upgrade.
By the way, things like this remembers me about the very kind & diligent way Apple serves us up-to-date upgradings!
Thhnx for reply man
And yes the gpu driver installation througj apple software ipdates Was a one click update i just clicked download and it automatically download and installs everything hut becareful If you dont unplug ALL the USB devices connected to your imac Before shutting down The machine Restarts even if you click shut down from Start menu (this happened after the update) nothing too big but yeah If you want to shut down your mac youll have to Dissconnect every usb device at least thats what i experienced

I havent tested the drivers yet
 

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Just thought i'd add my 2 cents in here.
I am the administrator and creator of the bootcampdrivers.com drivers.
I personally test the drivers before release on my M295X. Unfortunately this does not guarantee a bug-free experience for other cards.

The PC drivers that I modify themselves are only ever considered BETA by AMD until a WHQL version is released i.e. one that has been verified by Microsoft as a particularly stable release. So once i've modified them you can be safely assured they are nothing more than BETA drivers. So basically you will encounter some bugs, some things might not work, but so long as the drivers themselves are stable and provide a tangible benefit then it is still worth installing. They are no less stable than the equivalent PC releases most of the time.

Sometimes when I release a driver it turns out to be especially stable compared to other releases (through no fault of my own). This is the case with 17.6.2 (Apple's latest driver is based on 17.6 but with the driver version number tweaked to 17.10 so that newer games start).

Newer drivers since then had issues with brightness controls which I've only just managed to fix. I'm also looking into using Apple's latest installer code to provide additional stability to my future releases.
 

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Just thought i'd add my 2 cents in here.
I am the administrator and creator of the bootcampdrivers.com drivers.
I personally test the drivers before release on my M295X. Unfortunately this does not guarantee a bug-free experience for other cards.

The PC drivers that I modify themselves are only ever considered BETA by AMD until a WHQL version is released i.e. one that has been verified by Microsoft as a particularly stable release. So once i've modified them you can be safely assured they are nothing more than BETA drivers. So basically you will encounter some bugs, some things might not work, but so long as the drivers themselves are stable and provide a tangible benefit then it is still worth installing. They are no less stable than the equivalent PC releases most of the time.

Sometimes when I release a driver it turns out to be especially stable compared to other releases (through no fault of my own). This is the case with 17.6.2 (Apple's latest driver is based on 17.6 but with the driver version number tweaked to 17.10 so that newer games start).

Newer drivers since then had issues with brightness controls which I've only just managed to fix. I'm also looking into using Apple's latest installer code to provide additional stability to my future releases.
AMD officially released the 17.10 drivers for Bootcamp i dont see any need to download nything unofficial anyways Good work bro considering how many people use those drivers please becareful with what you release to the world although i guess you know what youre doing
 

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Yes I am careful. If there are reports of widespread issues I normally remove the driver and wait for AMD's next version.
By the way, the Apple driver is actually version 17.6. They changed the text of the version number to 17.10 so that newer games will run. But it doesn't have some of the newer optimizations.
 

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Yes I am careful. If there are reports of widespread issues I normally remove the driver and wait for AMD's next version.
By the way, the Apple driver is actually version 17.6. They changed the text of the version number to 17.10 so that newer games will run. But it doesn't have some of the newer optimizations.
Hey Yo, check this out:
Almost every mac computer i owned Had some type of Wierd gpu issue my 2012 rmbp had all kinds of Wierd throttling lagging issues and the Temprature was handled by a wierd algorithm Which kicked of the fans after 90degrees celcius For the GPU i guess (under bootcamp games lagged heavily and thats after a while; it was fine at first)
My mid 2014 rmbp has a Semi-dead iris Pro and i took it to genius bar telling them that the machine crashes if Running iris pro for 1-2h or sometimes after 20minutes it crashes and since the system boots up on iris I cant even startup but they replaced some irrelevent part and Sent me back the unit and To this Day im running this machine with gpu switching turned Off and its fine (GT750M)
This new radeon pro 580 seems To be promising really i ran cod wwii almost everything maxed out 1440p60fps locked There is a bug where When i start the game The frame rate is locked on 20 or sth but Changing the resolution and reverting back Gets me passed the bug its not important since i had this issue i my older macs on Infinite and advance warfare too i guess
So the performance with the ollllld version 15 drivers which are unsupported were just fine
And i could run assassins creed origins on high 30fps locked high setting(and thats because of the old drivers but still its pretty good for an unsupported driver)
Batmanarkham origins maxed out (except one setting) 1440p 30fps locked ( i lock fps and turn vsync on for screen tearing and Drastic framerate changes it feels better really)
So alhough havent Tried( have installed but havent tried) the 17.10 official drivers they gotta take these already good performances to a whole another level

And For people like me Who dont have a single app stor ein the country or people who dont have an apple store nearby or people who dont want to risk System failure
They shouldnt mess with the GPU caus ealthough i respect skillful people but Youre only ine person or maybe a small team And As you said you only test on a m395x so Its Not really safe To install these stuff
If sth goes wrong the best thing that can happen is that youll have to reinstall windows and all the applications or maybe steam libraries allover again And unofficial drivers can cause thermal issues Or damage the GPU in the Long run
I know people report huge fps bumps but Only if something Goes Wrong You gotta be prepared for anything (maybe My terrible experience with mac gpu's make me say that)

So my advice to most people(other than people who are ready for everything cause they have an apple store nearby etc.)
Dont even think about messing with mac GPUs dont play with GPUs smc controls Vram and All of those stuff dont Difuse The fusion drive Keep em fused
Just use your mac the way its supposed to be used and Specially under bootcamp

Again good job man lots of people might really need those drivers and you could be helping a lot but this is a heads up for People Who Seriously dont want to take Any big risks And almost everybody is In this category

God bless and best wishes bro❤
 

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:cool:.

Not a single person has reported that their GPU has overheated using my drivers. I also recommend to use MacsFanControl which better regulates the fan speeds than apple's firmware, and it means that my drivers normally don't run any hotter than the official ones (worst case they run at same temperature or maybe a bit higher if people start overclocking).
 
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:cool:.

Not a single person has reported that their GPU has overheated using my drivers. I also recommend to use MacsFanControl which better regulates the fan speeds than apple's firmware, and it means that my drivers normally don't run any hotter than the official ones (worst case they run at same temperature or maybe a bit higher if people start overclocking).
The smc fan control and Some other fan control on windows was probably the main cause wierd stuff started happening on my 2012rmbp seriously,overriding The firmware to change the Fan speed is Not a good thing i kena you can set the fans to 6k rpm or more and it will run cool but It does have its cons too
And No bro i didnt mean to recommend Or insult your drivers What im saying is that any official Thing is some "at your own risk thing" although amd drivers Are super out dated (not that outdated with the current update though)
They are a huge team they are people who made the GPU wrote the drivers for the GPU they know what they exacly did with every model and To be honest even the Most professional person might miss a point In doing Super-big stuff like your doing

What im talkin about the reliablity

And Honestly if apple continues to keep up with the current drivers (or at least tries to not get too outdated) thats A Good reason to go with apple Im not using and Macfan third party app and the sustem is running cool under full load
[doublepost=1510343269][/doublepost]And Again If apples firmware seems stupid
Listen up man they made this thing they made Compatible drivers for Nouse and track pad and Other stuff they created this whole bootcamp thing and they definitly know Whats better for a Specific model much better than an application that chooses the same algorithm on all systems its installed

My main point is:
Dont mess With dangerous stuff cause If something bad happens then You are the one paying for it
Thats Not to Insult you or any great third party developer But to Tell people the truth
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I don't use AMD or your drivers. But nevertheless I'd like to say that I really appreciate your contribution to the Mac community and for helping others.
So You probably dont own an amd based mac or your somebody like craig federighi or tim cook type of guy who writes his own personal drivers:) LOL
 
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Just thought i'd add my 2 cents in here.
I am the administrator and creator of the bootcampdrivers.com drivers.
I personally test the drivers before release on my M295X. Unfortunately this does not guarantee a bug-free experience for other cards.

The PC drivers that I modify themselves are only ever considered BETA by AMD until a WHQL version is released i.e. one that has been verified by Microsoft as a particularly stable release. So once i've modified them you can be safely assured they are nothing more than BETA drivers. So basically you will encounter some bugs, some things might not work, but so long as the drivers themselves are stable and provide a tangible benefit then it is still worth installing. They are no less stable than the equivalent PC releases most of the time.

Sometimes when I release a driver it turns out to be especially stable compared to other releases (through no fault of my own). This is the case with 17.6.2 (Apple's latest driver is based on 17.6 but with the driver version number tweaked to 17.10 so that newer games start).

Newer drivers since then had issues with brightness controls which I've only just managed to fix. I'm also looking into using Apple's latest installer code to provide additional stability to my future releases.
Omg! thank god i found you here!! i have problem using 18.8.2 on my 2017 imac with 580 card. it has no gpu scaling in the setting which result in the resolution problem in Assassin's Creed Odyssey. whatever i did there were always black bars on top and bottom. those driver version which the gpu scaling is usable has no this problem(i dont use the gpu scaling which i put it off but when it's unusable the problem happended) but iam not sure if it's the gpu scaling thing result in this problem because i also found those which don't have problem has two displays in the "display" section. please help!!!