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Call to remove "Buy Now" recommendation from Mac Pro
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Maybe he is talking about the 2.93GHz 12 core which was previously over $7k with 6GB RAM. It's now 3GHz with 12GB RAM and in the $6k range.
I was doing that for fifteen years before the iPhone kiddies arrived and Apple haven't supported my needs with this release.
What were you doing back then?
Nonsense!
I initially thought this was a spoof - but now I'm not so sure.
The bottom line is that the updates made are nowhere near enough to satisfy those of us who have patiently (and not so patiently) waited for major improvements to the Mac Pro.
Unfortunately, the OP is absolutely right.
I initially thought this was a spoof - but now I'm not so sure.
The bottom line is that the updates made are nowhere near enough to satisfy those of us who have patiently (and not so patiently) waited for major improvements to the Mac Pro.
Unfortunately, the OP is absolutely right.
WOW. I want some of what he's smoking! ^
AGREE. Change the buy recommendation to DO NOT BUY !!
It's nothing more than reconfigured OLD TECH, not to mention a HUGE middle finger from Apple.
It's not about the speed. I think you'd be hard pressed to find anyone that needs more raw CPU speed, who thinks that s/he can get it from a simple desktop style box.
It's everything else that makes it a non-buy. Where's the thunderbolt? Where's the USB 3.0, which was out over a year ago? Where's the video card - what they give you now is on par with the intel 4000?
If all you care about is speed, get an iMac, or a PC to use as a rendering machine. If you want a mac pro, with the latest pro features, this isn't it. It wasn't updated, it got a speed bumb, but it's still woefully outdated.
I would not have agreed with you until today.
I figured the money Apple makes with their toys and gadgets would help keep the Mac Pro line alive.
I was wrong.
Too right it's a middle finger. A middle finger slipping into the sphincter of the pro market, swiftly followed by the rest of the arm.
Yup, that's the most logical assumption.
It's not that we say Buy Now in the Buyer's Guide whenever there is an update, no matter how minor, in the assumption that another update won't be coming for a while -- see the iPod Touch last fall -- it's that Apple is buying us off.
I'm curious as to why MacRumors would recomend buying a Mac Pro today, when yesterday MR said not to. Besides a mediocre speed bump, the underlying hardware hasn't been updated since 2010, and is lacking basic features like USB 3.0, and the video card is next to pointless - the Intel 4000 found in the Macbook Air is faster.
The only thing the Buyer's Guide takes into account is anticipated upgrades and refreshes.
Yesterday, the Mac Pro had gone quite a while without an update of any kind. Today it was updated and it is therefore a good time to buy if you are in the market for one. It doesn't say anything about if it's a good value or not -- that's up to the individual consumer. Some folks would say the new Retina MacBook Pro is a terrible value when you can get an iPad and 13" MacBook Air for the same money.
Do you expect another update for the Mac Pro in the next few months?
Do you use a Mac Pro? Apparently not.
I tend to stick to recommending products I know something about to people who need to use them. You clearly have no idea what constitutes professional level hardware because this Mac doesn't use anything in that category from the last two years.
I guess I misunderstood the purpose of that portion of the site. Maybe you should change the name from "buyers guide" to "updates" or something else that doesnt lead me to think its a buyers guide.
No it isn't. Go try and render a 3D scene on the Macbook air and see how quickly it finishes compared to the Mac Pro.
With a small speed bump, you are going to turn the clock back to zero?
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You're right, our duty is only in helping people get the best computer for them. For some, that will be a Mac Pro.
My advice to anyone technologically savvy enough to do it would be to build a Hackintosh. You can find information about that across the internet. This should be a decent springboard for those interested.
From the Buyer's Guide:
The Buyer's Guide predicts updates or product cycles, not value. Please don't confuse the two as they are very different. Product cycles can be predicted somewhat objectively. Value is completely subjective, even though many of us (all of us
) agree the current update's value is pretty low. MR does their best to keep the Buyer's Guide as objective as possible. It's merely a tool for a smart buyer to consider; not the Bible of when to purchase a new machine.
If you need a new Mac Pro, now is a good time to buy because it will be a while before a refresh hits. You might not like the value, but that doesn't change the fact that it won't be updated anytime soon (I wish I were wrong, but I doubt it).
The Buyer's Guide predicts updates or product cycles, not value. Please don't confuse the two as they are very different. Product cycles can be predicted somewhat objectively. Value is completely subjective, even though many of us (all of us
) agree the current update's value is pretty low. MR does their best to keep the Buyer's Guide as objective as possible. It's merely a tool for a smart buyer to consider; not the Bible of when to purchase a new machine.If you need a new Mac Pro, now is a good time to buy because it will be a while before a refresh hits. You might not like the value, but that doesn't change the fact that it won't be updated anytime soon (I wish I were wrong, but I doubt it).
No, it's a tool for an uninformed buyer to use.
How can it be a good time to buy an outdated computer?
Just thanking the moderator for taking the time to weigh into this thread, and making sure I understand what was said:
A product qualifies for a "buy now" recommendation once it's clear that there is no update coming any time soon, irrespective of how outdated the existing product is?
In which case, if Apple announced that the next Mac Pro would now not be released until 2021, would MacRumors still be showing a "Buy Now!" note on the 10 year old Mac Pro in 2019?
Your point about the objective nature of product life-cycle tracking is well taken, but "buy now" does sound very much like...well, a recommendation, just as updated "Zero" days ago also sounds like an update...
(Just how minor can an update be, and still reset your "Days since last update" counter? Same specs, new colour? 2GB of extra RAM? Free steak knives?)
A product qualifies for a "buy now" recommendation once it's clear that there is no update coming any time soon, irrespective of how outdated the existing product is?
In which case, if Apple announced that the next Mac Pro would now not be released until 2021, would MacRumors still be showing a "Buy Now!" note on the 10 year old Mac Pro in 2019?
Your point about the objective nature of product life-cycle tracking is well taken, but "buy now" does sound very much like...well, a recommendation, just as updated "Zero" days ago also sounds like an update...
(Just how minor can an update be, and still reset your "Days since last update" counter? Same specs, new colour? 2GB of extra RAM? Free steak knives?)
The moderators do not run the Buyer's Guide and we do not have any more insight than any other member. This is just my interruption of what the Buyer's Guide is.
The Buyer's Guide looks at the average time between past updates, regardless of the size of the update, and guesses if an update is in the near future. It ignores rumors and when people think it will actually be released. If it is close to or over the average (427 days for the Mac Pro as of now) then it says don't buy. If it is close to the beginning of a cycle (0 days of the 427 average as of right now) then it says don't buy. In between there are other status messages.
It's a simple tool. Don't read too much into it.
Trick the user into buying? Who is stupid enough to go buy a $2500 computer simply because a website says, and I quote,
. Now, if the buyers guide actually had any logic applied to it other than simple math, I would agree, or was actually taking user input to decide if it was a good computer, then you have an excellent point. But, as this is only showing how long it has been since the product is update, it is a good time to buy, if one was looking for a new Mac Pro.