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Courtesy of 9to5, here's the full graph.
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I knew it, they just half-assesly bumped up the pixel count on the same sensor size.
Your post is half-assesly posted without thinking about the increase in pixel count without any other sacrifices from iPhone 6.
 
Your post is half-assesly posted without thinking about the increase in pixel count without any other sacrifices from iPhone 6.
Not to mention pixel count is just one of many factors (something photographers have been very aware of for quite some time). The increased processing power of the 6S certainly helps in producing better images as well.
 
Hmmmm well I have the 6/6 and 6s/6s Plus and can say categorically that the camera is infinitely better in the newer iPhones. The new iPhone cameras are pretty much certainly the best available in any smartphone anywhere.

Actually, it's not. Nokia with PureView and latelly LG G4 are untouchable. Even S6 has better camera.
iPhone 6/s has awesome camera, but not the best camera on the market.
 
Hmmmm well I have the 6/6 and 6s/6s Plus and can say categorically that the camera is infinitely better in the newer iPhones. The new iPhone cameras are pretty much certainly the best available in any smartphone anywhere.
Except the infamous Samsung model and the Sony one. THEY are pretty much certainly the best available in any smartphone anywhere.
The iPhone is up there around the top somewhere.
 
Actually, it's not. Nokia with PureView and latelly LG G4 are untouchable. Even S6 has better camera.
iPhone 6/s has awesome camera, but not the best camera on the market.
To be fair the difference between the G4/S6 and any newer iPhone is miniscule. And a better photographer will take better photos with either camera. Nokia has however had some great cameras, mainly due to the physics of sensor size, but they were imho pretty sh**y smartphones in all other regards.
 
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To be fair the difference between the G4/S6 and any newer iPhone is miniscule. And a better photographer will take better photos with either camera. Nokia has however had some great cameras, mainly due to the physics of sensor size, but they were imho pretty sh**y smartphones in all other regards.

I was only talking about cameras, I'm not talking about android or WP.
LG G4 has way better camera, and their manual mode rocks. You can take pics with G4 that iPhone simply cannot take at all.

I'm not a photographer, and I really am not excited about cameras at all. I'm using iPhone, but if camera would be my main feature of any phone, I would go for G4 (android > wp imho). iPhone can't touch G4 as far as camera feature goes.

But to be fair, for people like myself, S6 and 6S are the best cameras. Since I use only auto mode, G4 is not my cup of tea. At all :)
 
I was only talking about cameras, I'm not talking about android or WP.
LG G4 has way better camera, and their manual mode rocks. You can take pics with G4 that iPhone simply cannot take at all.

I'm not a photographer, and I really am not excited about cameras at all. I'm using iPhone, but if camera would be my main feature of any phone, I would go for G4 (android > wp imho). iPhone can't touch G4 as far as camera feature goes.

But to be fair, for people like myself, S6 and 6S are the best cameras. Since I use only auto mode, G4 is not my cup of tea. At all :)
I haven't played around anywhere near enough with the G4 to support nor dismiss your claim, but could you provide me with some real life examples of a scenario that the G4 could capture and a 6S Plus could not? I'm genuinely curious. And the same question regarding the features you mention, which ones do the 6S Plus lack and the G4 doesn't?
 
Courtesy of 9to5, here's the full graph.
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This graph seems dubious. Shouldn't bars for the same score have the same height?

But never mind the graph, actual comparisons under repeatable conditions (test charts) can be seen here for example:

http://www.phonearena.com/phones/ca...LG-G4,Samsung-Galaxy-S6/phones/9501,9104,8997

Have a pan around, and be sure to check out the ISO resolution chart as well. Observe how poorly the LG G4 lens performs near the edge. Add other phones to the comparison if you like.

Anyway, how DxO gives the Galaxy S6 is higher score for contrast is a mystery to me.
 
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Data analytics is one thing, but real-world use is entirely different, especially when you're creating something as subjective as a photograph.

I didn't have the 6, but coming from a 5s, the 6s' photos are incredible. My wife and I have a photography background and, for day to day use, have very much put away are DSLRs in favour of our new iPhone cameras. If you're not printing the photos but just posting them on social media, the iPhone 6s camera is really something. I have to keep asking my wife if she took her latest photo with her iPhone or DSLR.

I work as a photographer, and to a certain extent I agree with you. Handled correctly the 6S (Plus in my case) is capable of producing great shots. However, it's not replacing my full-frame dSLR anytime soon, for lots of reasons. But it is truly impressive how far they've come from the ****** cameras they had in the first 2-3 iterations of the iPhone. One area where they still lag helplessly behind however, is bokeh, or lack thereof, which is simply not possible with a single sensor as small as this one. At least not yet, you should never say never after all.

But all in all, a truly impressive camera. Another thing I like is how well it handles colour reproduction, it is quite impressive indeed.

I agree with you both...... I also just upgraded from the 5s to the 6s and am even happier with the iPhone camera.

Regardless of the specs, stats and scores I think most regular users of it would agree it is a good camera capable of taking great pics. My simple opinion mainly garned by judging that the photos posted by friends on social media (!) that are taken on iPhones are generally much better in quality than those who supposedly have better camera phones! Or maybe me and fellow iPhone owners are just better photographers :D

That said I just ordered a Nikon D5500 to replace my D60 which has been sidelined in recent years for the iPhone (and various apps including Hipstamatic) and my Olympus Pen. Hoping it will be a big step forward too!
 
Yup I'd agree with that. I only put on live when I see a purpose for it, which is pretty seldom, but it does happen. I wish they'd at least include an option to raise the frame rate a bit. But for most pictures I take it's pretty pointless, that being said, I'd rather have the option than not.
I don't have a 6S (waiting for the 7), but the thing I like about live pictures is that you don't have to think about turning it on. You just take pictures. If you get a picture of your kid catching the winning pass of the game, or making an adorable face, you often don't get an opportunity to take it again to capture the motion. All I need is an easy way to strip the motion part out of a picture that doesn't benefit from it.
 
This graph seems dubious. Shouldn't bars for the same score have the same height?

But never mind the graph, actual comparisons under repeatable conditions (test charts) can be seen here for example:

http://www.phonearena.com/phones/ca...LG-G4,Samsung-Galaxy-S6/phones/9501,9104,8997

Have a pan around, and be sure to check out the ISO resolution chart as well. Observe how poorly the LG G4 lens performs near the edge. Add other phones to the comparison if you like.

Anyway, how DxO gives the Galaxy S6 is higher score for contrast is a mystery to me.
Graph number may represent and average of the 84's and such. Actual graph bar may represent 84.26, 84.39, 84.46, etc. Who knows. PA has no info about their test conditions. Just photos. Not sure what to I can gather from that. 10 different comparos will have 10 different results. Meh. All that matters is people are happy with their snapper. My daughter's iP6 is rated higher than my GS5. Do either of us really care? Nope.
 
This graph seems dubious. Shouldn't bars for the same score have the same height?

But never mind the graph, actual comparisons under repeatable conditions (test charts) can be seen here for example:

http://www.phonearena.com/phones/ca...LG-G4,Samsung-Galaxy-S6/phones/9501,9104,8997

Have a pan around, and be sure to check out the ISO resolution chart as well. Observe how poorly the LG G4 lens performs near the edge. Add other phones to the comparison if you like.

Anyway, how DxO gives the Galaxy S6 is higher score for contrast is a mystery to me.

Totally agree - first thing I noticed is that the bar heights for identical numeric scores are not identical
 



In a new review for the iPhone 6s, DxOMark concluded that the camera on the 2015 iPhone line deserved a score of 82, equal to that of the score it gave for the iPhone 6 one year ago. The website measured seven factors (exposure and contrast, color, autofocus, texture, noise, artifacts, and flash) to determine an overall score for the camera on the iPhone 6s, giving the lowest marks to texture and noise (via CNET).

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A score of 82 is the same as the iPhone 6 in 2014, but also behind the 87 given to the Sony Xperia Z5 and the 86-scoring Samsung Galaxy S6 Edge. Apple's rivals also won in a series of similar video tests, scoring between four and six points higher than the 80 awarded to the iPhone 6s.

DxOMark's closing statement regarding the new iPhone line is a bit similar to the overall consensus found elsewhere online regarding the iPhone 6s and iPhone 6s Plus. The French optics and image processing firm described the smartphone as a "good balance of performance and top-notch user experience," but not an entirely compelling upgrade from an iPhone 6 or 6 Plus, especially when considering solely the camera and video tests conducted by the firm.

Article Link: Camera Lab Test Scores iPhone 6s on Same Level as iPhone 6
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I bought and returned the Samsung S6 edge, and colors are not accurate at all, and there is definite noise and compression/enhancement artifacts all over the photos. They just gave Z5 and Nexus 6P higher scores than the iPhone, yet I personally feel my photos come out much better with my iPhone 6S. DXO has been loosing reputation over the past year, because they cheated on the scores of their own hardware, and I feel like they have been getting "sponsored" reviews from some android OEMs.
 
I have a 6. I have the money to buy a 6s but there is no need. My camera is outstanding. I use it all the time and in addition I shoot pix of sheet music, hand held in low church lite and they are razor sharp blown up for use during preformance on an iPad Air. I could not do that with my 5 on a stand using a count down timer to assure no shake, they were still not clear-useable but nothing like my 6. I can only imagine how great the current cameras are and next year when I upgrade, they will be even better.
 
Hmmmm well I have the 6/6 and 6s/6s Plus and can say categorically that the camera is infinitely better in the newer iPhones. The new iPhone cameras are pretty much certainly the best available in any smartphone anywhere.

So many things to shake your head and facepalm to:
  • The contradictory statement of "...pretty much certainly...". Pick one please.
  • The camera in "infinitely better" in the new iPhone models. How one gets to an infinite measure of improvement is both incredulous and overbearingly hyperbolic.
  • Your eyes are a better measure than the in-depth testing of DXOMark? Potential bias, and visual accuity notwithstanding. Laughable at best, idiotic at worst.
  • Your attestation of "...new iPhone cameras are pretty much certainly the best available in any smartphone anywhere.." is interesting and I'd enjoy being enlightened how that conclusion was reached.
It's OK to be a fan of pretty much anything. When it crosses over to blind loyalty leading to absolutely ridiculous statements it gets a bit much.

Cheers!
 
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I'm confused by their different metrics - what's the difference between artifacts and noise? What is texture?
 
If the image quality is just as good and has 50% more pixels, that's great.

Exactly. I remember when Panasonic increased the pixels on their TZ/ZS series camera and this probably applied to other P&S cameras during the "megapixel wars". The results were new camera models were often worse than their predecessors in photo quality. I had a 7MP Panasonic DMC-TZ3, purchased in 2007. Three years later I wanted to upgrade, but wasn't satisfied with the mixed reviews on the current model regarding photo quality. I looked at models from Canon and Sony with similar lackluster results. In 2011, when I got my 4S, I realized that my 1st iPhone made great photos and began to wonder if I even needed to upgrade my 4-year-old TZ3. I didn't upgrade until 2014 when I decided to get the Sony RX100M3 with its 1" sensor. The RX100M3 is a great camera, photos and HD videos look stunning. The $800 price was higher than I wanted to spend, but it was worth it after I saw the beautiful photos I made on my European trip last year. No 4K, but that probably won't matter to me for a few more years. Anyway, to maintain the same photo quality, while increasing pixels is an achievement based on my experience with "improved" P&S cameras a few years ago.
 
I do photography as part of my day job (5D MkIII and 24-70 f/2.8L are my bread and butter) and I'm definitely getting better images than on the 6. The sharpness in close ups and landscapes is definitely improved. Skin tones seem to be a touch better. Last weekend we had some friends over for a fire on the new patio I built this summer and the low light photos were surprisingly good. Grainy but perfect for snapshots. I'd say low light performance isn't ideal but daylight performance is much improved. I also like taking stills from 4K video. Each frame is about 8mp! I can easily print 8x10s of my kid from video stills lol. That's crazy and an unexpected benefit. The great tonal range you get from the iPhone, especially in HDR mode makes editing in Lightroom Mobile a possibility without much clipping or banding—which is impressive for any 8-but file. Produces a much more gentle histogram curve.

I get the feeling that Apple is going to leapfrog with the camera in the iPhone 7. Rumors seem to suggest they're working on something big and I know they love to lead the smartphone camera race.
 
Typically, higher pixel count means more noise, more artifacts, worse color, etc. The fact they got higher pixels without sacrificing the other attributes is great.

which is exactly what you have with the 6 and 6s.
 
I didn't have the 6, but coming from a 5s, the 6s' photos are incredible. My wife and I have a photography background and, for day to day use, have very much put away are DSLRs in favour of our new iPhone cameras. If you're not printing the photos but just posting them on social media, the iPhone 6s camera is really something. I have to keep asking my wife if she took her latest photo with her iPhone or DSLR.

then i doubt your "photography background" because the image quality is overall much worse than on the 5s. dont let yourself fool by apples marketing blah.

and seriously, no way that a DSLR is anything near the image quality of the 6s.
 
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