Other Camera on Iphones and 4:3 ratio

Sean006

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Why does apple continue to use 4:3 ratio on the camera app

its very annoying.....its like a Polaroid on a 2018 iphone

there is no reason they cant change the camera app to look like snapchat when you take a photo.

incorporates all functions on the screen without stupid bars on each side

i dont get it
 

seinman

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4:3 (or something very close to it) is still the standard for professional digital photography. It allows more flexibility in cropping for printing at various standard print sizes, too. Think about it. The most popular print and frame sizes are 4x6 (2:3), 5x7 (5:7), and 8x10 (4:5). A photo taken at 4:3 and cropped to any of those only loses a little bit on the sides. A photo taken at 16:9 loses a lot.
 

Sean006

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4:3 (or something very close to it) is still the standard for professional digital photography. It allows more flexibility in cropping for printing at various standard print sizes, too. Think about it. The most popular print and frame sizes are 4x6 (2:3), 5x7 (5:7), and 8x10 (4:5). A photo taken at 4:3 and cropped to any of those only loses a little bit on the sides. A photo taken at 16:9 loses a lot.

i get what you're saying but most iphone users are not using the camera for professional photography.....
 

MEJHarrison

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i get what you're saying but most iphone users are not using the camera for professional photography.....
But not everyone wants Snapchat type photos either. I'm not a professional photographer, but I still want a "professional" photo from my phone, not some weird aspect ratio that works better with social media. If I want a different aspect ratio, I can easily crop it. And a 4x3 picture gives me a lot of photo to work with if I do crop it.

I think you'll find lots of users aren't pros, but they want a "normal" photo.
 
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I'm not implying that all iPhone users are professional photographers. I'm saying that that's why they stick with 4:3. Because it's the professional standard. As much crap as we sometimes give Apple for NOT using standards (USB-C on the iPhone, no headphone jack...) here's an instance where they DO use one. Let's give them credit for that.
 
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Sean006

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But not everyone wants Snapchat type photos either. I'm not a professional photographer, but I still want a "professional" photo from my phone, not some weird aspect ratio that works better with social media. If I want a different aspect ratio, I can easily crop it. And a 4x3 picture gives me a lot of photo to work with if I do crop it.

I think you'll find lots of users aren't pros, but they want a "normal" photo.

i was just using snapchat as an example of how the buttons are "on screen" and not black bars on each side.
 

MEJHarrison

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i was just using snapchat as an example of how the buttons are "on screen" and not black bars on each side.
Fair enough. But the point is, I don't want my photos to perfectly fit my screen size. They would look horrible when viewed outside my phone. Not to mention if they fit my screen, they would be very long in one direction and very short in the other direct due to the bizarre aspect ratio of the XS Max. If I send someone a photo, I want it to look like a traditional photo.

Honestly, I'd have to say this feels very much like a personal preference thing and I think you're on the loosing side on this one. I don't see Apple cropping our photos to match the screen dimensions. That goes against "photography" and they'd be stuck in the "toy camera" category. They wouldn't be taken seriously for their cameras in the industry.
 

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Because digital photography is pretty close to 4:3. Apps like Instagram and Snapchat crop the top and bottom of your photos when an image is captured. You have more room to play around with a 4:3 photo, cropping it how you choose
 

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It makes total sense to maintain the standard in photography when the manufacturers are attempting to demonstrate that the phone reduces the need for most people to have a camera. At the same time, we already know that we can do panoramas and square photos, so there's no reason that software/firmware changes couldn't be introduced that allow more 'customized' photo sizing for popular formats such as SnapChat.
 

Sean006

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Fair enough. But the point is, I don't want my photos to perfectly fit my screen size. They would look horrible when viewed outside my phone. Not to mention if they fit my screen, they would be very long in one direction and very short in the other direct due to the bizarre aspect ratio of the XS Max. If I send someone a photo, I want it to look like a traditional photo.

Honestly, I'd have to say this feels very much like a personal preference thing and I think you're on the loosing side on this one. I don't see Apple cropping our photos to match the screen dimensions. That goes against "photography" and they'd be stuck in the "toy camera" category. They wouldn't be taken seriously for their cameras in the industry.

so the whole samsung line up is not taken seriously in the industry ?
i would never own just stating...
btw this all started with an argument between my brother and i ...he is samsung...me all apple lol

then i got curious....
 

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4:3 is a classic balanced aesthetically pleasing ratio that's been used for more than 100 years. If you want your pics to fill the screen- crop them.
 

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I think it might be more of a technical reason. You would want resulting pictures to be as close to the ratio of the camera sensor so most/all of the pixels on the sensor are used. My guess is the sensors Apple uses are close to a 4:3 ratio, or the usable area on the sensors are close to 4:3 ratio.
 
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It makes total sense to maintain the standard in photography when the manufacturers are attempting to demonstrate that the phone reduces the need for most people to have a camera. At the same time, we already know that we can do panoramas and square photos, so there's no reason that software/firmware changes couldn't be introduced that allow more 'customized' photo sizing for popular formats such as SnapChat.
All digital SLR and mirrorless cameras have a variety of aspect ratios to choose from these days. I can do it on my Canon. I can do it on my Olympus. Apple even still has the 1:1 medium format aspect ratio in the native camera app, which doesn't really get used these days. It's honestly ridiculous that 16:9 isn't available for stills when a large part of their marketing strategy is geared toward social media and younger generations.

Framing & composition are 2 of the most important parts of photography but it would be nice to be able to do it properly for the medium you are presenting it in. Or at least do us a service like Rangefinder cameras with the framing lines.
 
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4:3 (or something very close to it) is still the standard for professional digital photography. It allows more flexibility in cropping for printing at various standard print sizes, too. Think about it. The most popular print and frame sizes are 4x6 (2:3), 5x7 (5:7), and 8x10 (4:5). A photo taken at 4:3 and cropped to any of those only loses a little bit on the sides. A photo taken at 16:9 loses a lot.
I think 3:2 is actually the most common. I agree with OP that 4:3 is weird. Here are some commparisons of what fits on the Xs, XSM and 8+ screen at 4:3 and 3:2. The 3:2 is more.

Heck. It looks like 4:3 doesn’t even make the best/most use of their own ‘go big’ screens.
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All digital SLR and mirrorless cameras have a variety of aspect ratios to choose from these days. I can do it on my Canon. I can do it on my Olympus. Apple even still has the 1:1 ratio in the native camera app, which doesn't really get used these days by anyone. It's honestly ridiculous that 16:9 isn't available for stills when a large part of their marketing strategy is geared toward social media and younger generations.

Framing & composition are 2 of the most important parts of photography but it would be nice to be able to do it properly for the medium you are presenting it in. Or at least do us a service like Medium format cameras with the framing lines.
My Fuji offers several and 4:3 isn’t one that is offered.
 
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seezar

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On my Nikon DSLR (and the Canon I had also) if you use the full resolution of the sensor it's a 3:2 AR. Wish phones would use that for a native AR. It's in between 4:3 and 16:9
 
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I think 3:2 is actually the most common. I agree with OP that 4:3 is weird. Here are some commparisons of what fits on the Xs, XSM and 8+ screen at 4:3 and 3:2. The 3:2 is more.

Heck. It looks like 4:3 doesn’t even make the best/most use of their own ‘go big’ screens.

PBz thanks...Exactly what im getting at....go big but here are those ugly bezels for taking pictures.
 
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I think 3:2 is actually the most common. I agree with OP that 4:3 is weird. Here are some commparisons of what fits on the Xs, XSM and 8+ screen at 4:3 and 3:2. The 3:2 is more.

Heck. It looks like 4:3 doesn’t even make the best/most use of their own ‘go big’ screens.
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My Fuji offers several and 4:3 isn’t one that is offered.
I had to update my post - I meant Rangefinder, not medium format. Medium format are the 1:1 (6:6) ARs.

Anyway, I didn't realize Fuji didn't have that 4:3! I think it's funny that people make arguments for the 4:3 for stills when it exists because of video (CRT TVs). Which has now become obsolete because of the more popular 16:9 AR for wide screen TVs and basically all mobile devices.
 
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