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Yes, there are probably hundreds or even thousands of devices that partially support Airplay in some limited way. I own three of them myself (non-Apple TV).

But I don't feel I was being "absurd". In my opinion, expecting a feature to be fully implemented can be reasonably implied, and even if not, there was important context:

But you can't really say it doesn't work "period" (which implies not at all). Airplay was nearly fully functional (I don't think mirroring worked as that was a newer feature added after Airplay was reverse engineered) until Apple did something to break it in iOS8. Given older devices still work, I can only assume whomever made this version (reverse engineered or whatever it is) missed something. The newest iTunes still works so it appears to be related only to iOS's implementation. Personally, I only have one iOS 9 device, so it's not a big deal here. All my own media is stored on my server anyway so why would I need to Airplay something to my own TV from my iPod Touch 5G when I can use Remote or Kodi's own interface? I still have a 1st gen ATV And a 2nd Gen ATV connected in the main living/family rooms as secondary devices so I'm not missing anything either way. I'm finding once I get the grunt work done (organizing things better for Kodi viewing than just a single iTunes library, much of which was already set up since a lot of things I have won't run in iTunes anyway), the interface is miles better looking for finding out information about movies, tv shows, etc. than iTunes for my own content (iTunes is centered around getting you to buy THEIR content and their content only. Fortunately, I found a way to decrypt my purchases from iTunes to use with other players like Kodi without losing resolution, not that I had many to begin with).

At least I discovered a way to add ProjectM (Milkdrop) visualizer effects to iTunes (https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/itunes-visualizers-projectm-awesome.1941865/) along the way. That does add a useful feature to Airplay Mirroring since Apple REFUSES to add any kind of Visualizer to Apple TV to show while music plays, I remember when people used to say it was because the first Apple TV didn't have enough power to show a visualizer (nonsense since XBMC had no trouble doing it), but it's more like they just don't give a crap. Beg all you want. They won't add a single feature request (e.g. iPods show lyrics if your song has them added in iTunes; the Remote App looked just like the iPod interface but it doesn't show lyrics and it would have been simple to add that, but they never did).

I also just discovered the newer iTunes and/or OS X now loses track of file manipulations in the background. This is a huge loss. You used to be able to move entire directories around, rename files, etc. and as long as iTunes was running, it would notice every change you made and keep track of where the files went. Now it's just as dumb as the Windows version and can't find a damn thing, making it much more of a PITA to clean up file naming or move home movies to more organized directories, etc.

The first generation Apple TV let you sub-folder movies. This was GREAT for a series of sequels like Star Wars. If you set the movies' "Show" setting to be "Star Wars Movies" then in Apple TV Movies you'd see "Star Wars Movies" with an >> next to it and when you clicked on it, you'd find all your Star Wars movies in it like a sub-folder. Similarly, TV Shows showed up as the Show Name and then went inward by season, etc. Now they all just show up in one gigantic flipping list, making a mockery of neatness and organization. With the newest iTunes, you can't even give movies a "Show" name anymore (they removed a lot of database labeling in the newer iTunes) so even if you still have an older Gen1 ATV, you can't organize sub-folders and the newer Apple TVs won't show them that way regardless. The newer AppleTVs won't output anything but 48kHz audio either. In a lot of ways, Apple TV has gone BACKWARDS in features and usefulness (other than handling higher resolutions). iOS is too limited compared to OSX for audio handling, etc. and Apple shows no signs of improving it (they don't care because they don't sell antyhing but Dolby Digital and compressed AAC anyway, so WTF do they care about bit-accurate WAV, AIFF, or Apple Lossless outputting in 44.1kHz or DTS Music Audio CDs, etc. that you might add to the library yourself? You are the enemy when you compress your own movies, after all.

I've found no simple way to audit an iTunes library either. It would be helpful to know if iTunes lost track of a file location without waiting to use one. In Kodi, you can just clean the library if you've moved something and then add the new location in. Having iTunes never lose track of moving files was far better, but they seem to screw that up somehow in iTunes 12.x.

Frankly, Apple could resell a lot of music if they'd offer AIFF/Lossless versions and/or 24/96 options. The Internet is only about 1000x faster than when iTunes started selling AAC compressed music. It's no big deal to sell an uncompressed CD or 24/96 album now. Hardly anyone is doing it. I guess the industry figures when kids listen to Beats headphones and those horrible earbuds, they won't know the difference or care. I just find it amusing that digital audio was in better shape (uncompressed) in 1984 than it is in 2015 in terms of the mainstream way to listen to music now. You have more convenience now, but quality has taken a back seat for a long time. Meanwhile, Blu-Ray has gone over-board and cinema sound now vastly surpasses music sound quality. It should probably be the other way around, but even since the days of radios compressing the crap out of everything no matter the format, people are used to poor audio.
 
Yeah, I'm not going to read all that--you are way too much of a pedant on this. Congratulations, you "win"! :rolleyes:

Most of it wasn't even about that (only the first paragraph), but rather back to the main thread heading with very useful discoveries, but since it takes you SO long to read a half page of well formatted text, well.... I'll try to write one sentence from now instead. ;)
 
ATV - nice(st) interface and a front end to iTunes along with Airplay.
Amazon TV box - good hardware, more abilities than ATV, not quite up to speed but getting there.
Roku 4 - advanced internals, offers more than ATV but not really for gaming or heavy local media play
NVidia Shield TV - best of breed internals, lackluster main menu, no Amazon Prime (yet), passes through real HD audio from movies unlike the rest. Kodi and Plex capable.

If it is just output, NVidia is superior. If it is just maximum streaming services, then Roku is your choice. If you want the ease and nice menuing along with iTunes, then ATV is your option and Amazon's box has good guts, caters or is biased towards Amazon Prime and like NVidia - somewhat a work in progress though very capable at present.

So does on box fit all? No. Much of the selection has more to do with what people want out of a box. I would say the Roku is the most "generic" in the sense more people would like its options and Apple fans will huddle up to the ATV for iTunes "stuff" while Amazon might get heavy Amazon Prime users or those heavy into Amazon as a way of shopping...that leaves the NVidia Shield TV as the odd man out and yet, it is my favourite of the bunch as I am not into quantity of bells and whistles but more about what my ears and eyes can dessert upon.
 
A cardboard box with aluminum foil would be better. The ATV4 is a crashing, buggy, piece of ****.


I've been using it continuously. No crashes or bugs for me. The Siri navigation works amazingly well; in contrast to "iPhone Siri", which does not. I'm hoping they extend it to more services, but since I am a big time HBO/Netflix user, even what they have now is great. If you live in a multi-generational household (e.g., have a "family"), with family members who DO NOT care to memorize, or even understand, how to navigate to specific media instances, this is a life-saver.

The touch pad interface is very nice as well, although it is possible other products have something like this of which I'm not aware. It's certainly much better than ATV3 navigation.

The app store seems pretty primitive at this point, so I can't really recommend that as a selling feature yet. The Netfix interface is much, much better on the ATV4 vs. ATV3; but I'm not sure why these versions are so different.

The one game I did play (a side-scroller, using the remote!) looked very, very nice; and the remote was more than usable for such a simple game. Jury's out on games, as I haven't tried playing anything really complex.
 
I have an Echo and love Alexa. I'm wondering if Alexa on FTV is like it is on the Echo. For instance, can you say "Alexa, play my Tom petty station on Pandora" and have her do it?
 
I own Apple TV 1,2, and now Apple TV 4.

Own Amazon Fire tv stick and Amazon Fire tv 2015.

Owned roku stick (returned it)

Own minix neo x8-h-plus ($150-160) on Amazon.

http://minix.com.hk/en/products/neo-x8-h-plus

I am surprise people talk about the nvidia shield and don't discuss the minix box.

I prefer my minix box.

Now minix just released the minix U-1 that is supposed to support true 4K 60hz streaming as wel. It has access to android play store and minix actually supports its hardware.
 
I have all 3 (well had... more on that in a moment)

I would rate the new Apple TV second behind the Roku 4. The Roku 4 has a whole lot more plus supports 4K video. My Roku 4 does have one issue I am keeping an eye on, and that is sometimes (when I am not even using it) the fan kicks in and is loud like a mini plane is in my room getting ready to take off. For 4K content I am actually surprised how much there is out there. More then I would have imagined.

In third I would rate the Amazon Fire TV, which I just sent back. It was very buggy wouldn't support Dolby Digital in some apps and wouldn't play 4K from YouTube. I was (and am) a fan of the first generation of the Fire TV, but this new version is a huge disappointment.

The Apple TV while disappointing at this point due to lack of apps, I believe that will soon be a non issue. I can only help the layout is improved and the app store is easier to find things on.
Sounds like you have a faulty ROKU 4 and should return it. Mine is very quiet. You can set up the ROKU 4 to switch off after a preset time when not in use which should also help. I am very pleased with my ROKU 4 and agree there is a fair amount of 4k Content and more coming on line all the time. I also shoot my home video in 4K and play them back using PLEX on the ROKU. I run a HTPC and don't need it but ROKU also have there own MEDIA app which allows you to play Local media without any computer unlike Apple TV which needs iTunes running.

I am having a few problems which I hope to get resolved soon. While I can play DD 5.1 from Plex and other apps Amazon is not working with 5.1 for some reason. I am also running an older Sony ES AVR and use the optical out for my sound.
 
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