iPhone XS Max Can Apple Bring Night Sight to the Iphone like Google did for Pixel?

Will Apple Update the iPhone Camera With A Software Update?

  • Yes

    Votes: 18 31.6%
  • No

    Votes: 39 68.4%

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pharmecist

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johnmed

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The question should not be "Can they....", instead, it should be "Will they..."

We know they can. I doubt they will do it for a while. Apple likes to lead, not follow.
The question is will they implement something similar on any pre 2019 iPhone?

Simply, the answer will be no. They’ll include it on newer iPhones and pretend ‘older’ iPhones can’t handle the code or make something up about courage.
 

eyoungren

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If not, we should try to get pressure put on Apple to do so as it would be tempting for them to save it from the XI.
This rarely works. If it did, the iPhone would have a notification LED, the headphone jack would still be there, TouchID would still be there and a bunch of other stuff people have wanted over the years.

Of course you can always submit Feedback, but pressure rarely works.

You need something so negative to happen that Apple is forced to pay attention. Something on the order of CPU throttling due to battery issues. Honestly, I don't see a lack of night sight rising to that level.
 

C DM

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Just saw the latest image quality comparisons and the difference between the Xs and Pixel 3 is huge. Since this is purely a software upgrade, would Apple be willing to put in the effort to bring this to at least the Xs and X?

https://www.theverge.com/2018/11/14/18092660/google-night-sight-review-pixel-2-3-camera-photos-image-quality

If not, we should try to get pressure put on Apple to do so as it would be tempting for them to save it from the XI.
https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/apple-is-embarassingly-behind-google-now-in-phone-photography.2149838/
 

Marrakas

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Apple likes to lead, not follow.
Both yes or no.

In hardware they are excellent at leading the competition, and others follow up later.

In software they always copy and follow. iOS has copied so many Android features the last few years it's staggering.

I really hope they copy night sight, cause it's an awesome feature I'd like on my XS. Just got it today on my work phone which is a Pixel 2 XL.
 

MileHighPilot

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The question should not be "Can they....", instead, it should be "Will they..."

We know they can. I doubt they will do it for a while. Apple likes to lead, not follow.
having watched the way apple implements technology i agree with this
 

Caspavio

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The question is will they implement something similar on any pre 2019 iPhone?

Simply, the answer will be no. They’ll include it on newer iPhones and pretend ‘older’ iPhones can’t handle the code or make something up about courage.
to be fair, apple makes their smart HDR real time, i.e. you get what you see. google hdr+ and hdr+ enhance does the same thing, but you will only know how the picture turn out after it is snapped.

idk how resource intensive this is, but im guessing pretty intensive since we are talking about near instantaneous vs 1 or 2 seconds. assuming this is the reason, then the decision is both good and bad. it's bad because only A12 has the feature, but it's good because now i can do some simple alterations to get the "best" shot. not defending apple here; for all we know, apple was deliberating between two options and they were like yeah let's do real time, so we force older iphone owners to upgrade.

by the way, even if apple isnt looking to bring this to their older iphones, it seems like the halide team is looking into it. https://www.reddit.com/r/ShotWithHalide/comments/9so915/feature_request_night_sight_mode_for_halide/
 
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Relentless Power

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Night sight is actually fairly innovative through the software revisions. More to the point, Apple could _easily_ implement something like this, but that’s not how they operate. It’s like the case of the LED notification light that android phones have had for years, and Apple won’t implement something like this even though it’s been requested for years, Why? Because Apple doesn’t conform to what the competition does in certain respects, they may have a similar iteration of what the competition releases, but it likely will be different on how Apple envisions it.
 
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Caspavio

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Night sight is actually fairly innovative through the software revisions. What are the point, Apple could _easily_ implement something like this, but that’s not how they operate. It’s like the case of the LED notification light that android phones have had for years, and Apple won’t implement something like this even though it’s been requested for years, Why? Because Apple doesn’t conform to what the competition does in certain respects, they may have a similar iteration of what the competition releases, but it likely will be different on how Apple envisions it.
erm because night sight makes pictures in low light a lot better?

led, headphone jack, touchid, they are all hardware. Apple tend to lead in hardware and copy software stuff from android, like tap/raise to wake, notification management.

of all the things mentioned in this thread, night sight has the best chance of being implemented because camera is a huge battleground. unless of course apple has problems developing the feature.
 
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Relentless Power

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erm because night sight makes pictures in low light a lot better?
No one in those thread isn’t contesting it doesn’t, not sure the point you’re making here in reply to my post.

Apple tend to lead in hardware and copy software stuff from android, like tap/raise to wake, notification management..
The whole “Apple copies android” or vice verse are terrible arguments. Both competitors implement their own version of how they do things differently in terms of software execution. They only have so many things to work with to make it feasible for things like copy and paste, tapping the display, raise to wake, that’s not copying, it’s called being progressive.

For the record, raise to wake it actually is not software integration in the iPhone, that was only possible due to the M9 Co-processor allowing raise to wake be possible, which started with the iPhone 6s.
 

eyoungren

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Apple doesn't react to these kinds of things and customers who purchase Apple devices should know or come to realize that quickly.

If it bothers you to know that Apple won't react, then you have a misunderstanding of how Apple operates. Apple does things in it's own time and in it's own way and doesn't get into tit for tat games with other manufacturers.

This is part of being an Apple customer.
 

eyeseeyou

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I really wish Apple would add "extensions" functionality to the camera. I feel like if they don't this will be just like the apple Maps situation all over again.

As a parent I take lots and lots of pics and the camera quality and photo editing apps have been a huge selling point for me and the iphone was always at the top.

The pixel takes better pics IMO and the night mode tech is amazing. If I were to switch it would be to the pixel specifically for the camera.
 

mrochester

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I answered yes as I presume every update to iOS will include some tweaks to the camera subsystem.
 

Hokie804

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Apple doesn't react to these kinds of things and customers who purchase Apple devices should know or come to realize that quickly.

If it bothers you to know that Apple won't react, then you have a misunderstanding of how Apple operates. Apple does things in it's own time and in it's own way and doesn't get into tit for tat games with other manufacturers.

This is part of being an Apple customer.
This is true. But having tried Android for a few years, I'll take Apple's refinement any day, to the quirks of Android.
 

jagolden

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While the difference in pictures is astounding, my question is what was the actual scene? What did that look like?

Is it like So manyediting apps and tricks? Making something simply using adjustments? If so I’drather make my own adjustments while editing and have the original scene.
 

gaanee

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Google had announced night sight feature before.. so no surprise there. Apple hasn't announced it for iOS12 but most likely they are already working on it for the next release.
https://www.theverge.com/2018/11/14/18092660/google-night-sight-review-pixel-2-3-camera-photos-image-quality

Check out the before and afters of that article. It's amazing what a software update can do.

With all the computing power that these new iPhones have, will apple give us a software update to improve image quality?
Apple did by using a single lens on XR as in Pixel and improving its image processing for depth features using a single lens, though I wouldn't call it Apple copying or reacting to Google because it was a logical step... just that Apple and Google prioritized different goals - Apple using a dual lens hardware first while Google achieving a similar portrait effect using software. And now Apple is also relying on software for simulating this portrait effect.

Apple doesn't react to these kinds of things and customers who purchase Apple devices should know or come to realize that quickly.

If it bothers you to know that Apple won't react, then you have a misunderstanding of how Apple operates. Apple does things in it's own time and in it's own way and doesn't get into tit for tat games with other manufacturers.

This is part of being an Apple customer.
 
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mkz168

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Why am I not surprised. Your google photo assistant is what improves their pixels picture quality.
 

p3x1967

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The question is will they implement something similar on any pre 2019 iPhone?

Simply, the answer will be no. They’ll include it on newer iPhones and pretend ‘older’ iPhones can’t handle the code or make something up about courage.
That's why iOS 12 won't run on the iPhone 6s, right?

Oh, wait, iOS 12 DOES run on the 6s, and Apple announced in September an extra focus on keeping older devices relevant longer.

If you're going to impute bad behavior, use more than vague suggestions of ill intent and general hand-waving to back it up, please. :)
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While the difference in pictures is astounding, my question is what was the actual scene? What did that look like?

Is it like So manyediting apps and tricks? Making something simply using adjustments? If so I’drather make my own adjustments while editing and have the original scene.
It's all done in software. Google is no doubt using some ML ("AI") processing to improve the quality of the adjustments.
 
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