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fivepoint

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Sep 28, 2007
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My wife is heading back to school this fall. She is a elementary teacher. During one of her first day school meetings she was told that no employee of the school was allowed to use email for ANY personal purposes whatsoever. Emails are only allowed for intra-office use and discussions between teachers and other school employees. Emails going out of the building are to be sent to students' parents only. The internet is restricted to research use only for classroom lessons.

To me, this seems unfair and a breach of an employees rights. As long as the employees aren't abusing the system... what is the problem? Am I wrong on this one? Can a company (public OR private) completely restrict outside communication over the computer?
 

yg17

macrumors Pentium
Aug 1, 2004
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Am I wrong on this one? Can a company (public OR private) completely restrict outside communication over the computer?

Yes.

It's their computers, their servers, and their internet connection. They have every right to restrict it to whatever they want.
 

MacDawg

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Mar 20, 2004
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Yes they absolutely can, and most do

Nothing done at work is private, and it is subject to be read
All internet activity can (and most likely will) be tracked and can be grounds for discipline and dismissal

Woof, Woof - Dawg
pawprint.gif
 

r.j.s

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Mar 7, 2007
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If they are providing the email for that use, as well as the computers and, then yes. A company is well within its rights to restrict the use of services provided to its employees.
 

mwchris

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Apr 12, 2008
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Kentucky
My wife is heading back to school this fall. She is a elementary teacher. During one of her first day school meetings she was told that no employee of the school was allowed to use email for ANY personal purposes whatsoever. Emails are only allowed for intra-office use and discussions between teachers and other school employees. Emails going out of the building are to be sent to students' parents only. The internet is restricted to research use only for classroom lessons.

To me, this seems unfair and a breach of an employees rights. As long as the employees are abusing the system... what is the problem? Am I wrong on this one? Can a company (public OR private) completely restrict outside communication over the computer?

As most have said this is completely within their rights. Have your wife bring home a copy of the schools (most likely districts), Acceptable Use Policy (AUP), which describes in detail what users can and cannot do. I am sure she signed one, maybe at the beginning of her time at that school district, at some point or another.

And, of course you could always do what I do - have the same employeer as your significant other, and always put something in there about work! ;)
 

m-dogg

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Mar 15, 2004
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Connecticut
Yes. They make the rules.

My work actually blocks all web-based personal email sites.

And while we can use our business email for personal reasons, they tell us that that the emails sent to/from our business email are property of the company (and that they can read them if/whenever they want to). So no naughty emails! :p
 

gonyr

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Jul 9, 2006
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Niagara County, NY
I'm sure they have a filter for web usage. For email, it seems implausible that anyone is actually checking every incoming and outgoing email for solely work-related content. My school has the same written policy, which is routinely ignored. The unofficial policy has been to keep everything within reason - checking weather or news is ok, shopping on ebay isn't. Emails have never been a problem, as long as people aren't forwarding jokes to the whole district. As somebody pointed out already, they own the computers, so they make the rules. It's up to your wife whether to follow them. She should find out if anybody is actually monitoring, and what the consequences are to breaking the rules. At my school, as long as everybody behaves like professional adults and doesn't abuse the system, there are rarely problems.

Edit: I forgot to mention, she shouldn't ever email parents about students. If anybody else reads the email, there is a violation of privacy rights. Email to parents should only be used to set, confirm, or cancel meetings or phone calls. Same thing goes for emailing other staff members about students. Do everything in person or over the phone - never by email.
 

sushi

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My work actually blocks all web-based personal email sites.

And while we can use our business email for personal reasons, they tell us that that the emails sent to/from our business email are property of the company (and that they can read them if/whenever they want to).
This is becoming more common.

Many places restrict access to popular e-mail web sites such as Hotmail, Yahoo, AOL, etc.

That is why an iPhone type device is so handy. Just do your personal stuff on it when at work. Besides why would you want to air your personal laundry on the company Intranet?
 

CanadaRAM

macrumors G5
Just to be accurate -- a company may NOT infringe on an employee's privacy unless the employee has agreed to a policy. Which is why most employment contracts include language to cover non-protection of private communications and restrictions on use of company resources as a condition of employment. The company also has obligations -- the policy should ALSO include what steps the company takes to keep the employee's personal information private from others - it cuts both ways.

Employers and small business owners out there -- do not assume that your business property rights naturally override the personal and civil rights of your employees or contractors. Make sure you spell it out in the contract and/or employee policy manual and have each worker sign off on it.
 

GoCubsGo

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Feb 19, 2005
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I'm sorry but employees have no rights when it comes to work-issued computers, e-mail, and internet access. As she was most likely asked (required) or will be asked (required) to sign an IT agreement that will state exactly what the policy is and what actions will be taken if she were to breach said policy.

I personally cannot find any great reason why I would use my work e-mail address for anything that wasn't work-related. I have surfed the net (posted here, went to ebay, craigslist, etc) while at work. Personal e-mail was blocked ages ago when we had a major data breach that was detected and lead to someone's personal e-mail account, so I just use my cell phone for such antics. Besides, half the **** I say in e-mail I certainly wouldn't want that to be read by my work. :)
 

scotty96LSC

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Oct 24, 2007
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Charlotte, NC
Yes they absolutely can, and most do

Nothing done at work is private, and it is subject to be read
All internet activity can (and most likely will) be tracked and can be grounds for discipline and dismissal

Woof, Woof - Dawg
pawprint.gif

We had one of our senior programmers let go for just this reason. It was in the employee handbook not to use company equipment for personal use. He did, he got kicked.
 

emmawu

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Jan 19, 2005
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Wauwatosa, WI
Absolutely! Most companies count your keystrokes and check if you are sending company related emails. You can be fired for going over the line and won't be able to collect unemployment either. Be very very careful with company email.

My husband brings his own computer to work, a MacBook Pro. If you are using company equipment, it's their rules. :(
 

fivepoint

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Original poster
Sep 28, 2007
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Yes they absolutely can, and most do

Nothing done at work is private, and it is subject to be read
All internet activity can (and most likely will) be tracked and can be grounds for discipline and dismissal

Woof, Woof - Dawg
pawprint.gif

Dawg,
The concern was not that that they were tracking it. They can track it all they want... nothing bad there. But it seems strange and a bit 'over the top' that they would keep my wife from sending me a few emails during the day. It seems on par with telling employees that they aren't allowed to use the phone during the day.

Everyone,
Thanks for the responses. I have to say, I was a bit surprised. I mean, I completely understand that it's their computers, their servers, and all that jazz... but it seemed crazy to me that they could basically say "you have no right to contact or have conversations with anyone outside of these 4 walls during the day". I guess I get that it's their "right" to restrict it as such, but it just seems over the top restrictive, unprofessional, and just plain crazy. They should monitor traffic all they want and punish those abusing the system, but not take away the benefits of good teachers doing a great job who want to send a few emails to their husband during the day. Agreed?

Well, there is your problem!;)

Changed it. Thanks. ;)
 

GoCubsGo

macrumors Nehalem
Feb 19, 2005
35,741
153
They should monitor traffic all they want and punish those abusing the system, but not take away the benefits of good teachers doing a great job who want to send a few emails to their husband during the day. Agreed?

No I don't agree if they have an IT policy then they have a policy. It's at-will employment and quite frankly, while it is cute that she and you wish to send e-mails that are probably very innocent, I think you two may want to resort to emails from cell phones or text messages. I mean if talking isn't a possibility.

From an employer's standpoint: you're here to do a job. End of story.
From en employee's standpoint: I can do my job quite well even if I send a few personal e-mails.

I can see both ways but all in all it's policy and my job is way more important than sending a personal e-mail.

It's rough but more and more companies are locking things down but again, cell phones and such work wonders. ;)
 

MacDawg

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Mar 20, 2004
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Most companies write the policy to be STRICT,
and they seemingly tolerate nothing

However, the enforcement of it is usually more lenient than that

In most cases, innocent emails will not send up a red flag and trigger discipline...
even though it violates "policy"

But, why take the chance?
If they choose to enforce it, they can
Get unlimited texting on your phones or get iPhones/Blackberrys


Woof, Woof - Dawg
pawprint.gif
 

JML42691

macrumors 68020
Oct 24, 2007
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2
Yes they do have every right to do this, it is not a violation of an employee's rights as in this case the employee is attempting to access the internet through the school's computers, servers, and most importantly, by means of the school's internet, which they are paying for. And in this case the employees would be abusing the system just by accessing private emails or other sites, as the school determines the "system." I would not risk my job with something like this, if she really wants to access private emails or any other websites that are for personal use, then get her an iPhone, unless if the school has a policy against teachers using phones during school hours, or by accessing private emails during school hours, something else that they have control over.
 

sushi

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Jul 19, 2002
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I know of some places that will only allow a company issued Thumb Drive to be connected to the computer.

If caught using a personal Thumb Drive (basically any Thumb Drive not issued to you) you will be fired.

Basically in a nutshell, these days if you are using company equipment, they have a lot of say in how your use it. One reason is security.
 

JNB

macrumors 604
That's a computer owned by the public (taxpayers) she's using, not hers. Keep in mind that school districts, government agencies, and public companies all have varying federal and state data retention and disclosure requirements. The wife's personal email could end up being subpoenaed or subjected to an FOIA request even if unrelated to the discovery.
 

dmr727

macrumors G4
Dec 29, 2007
10,420
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NYC
We had one of our senior programmers let go for just this reason. It was in the employee handbook not to use company equipment for personal use. He did, he got kicked.

Wow - it's been a long time since I've been a code monkey, but apparently times have changed!
 
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