iPhone 7/Plus can Photos exist only on iCloud???

[AeroBar]

This is most likely a very silly question but I'm suffering severe old man brain at the moment and need to ask so I can be sure.

Can a person with an iPhone (no other other device or computer) delete photos from their iPhone but still have those photo in their iCloud?

I have always loaded my iPhone photos to iPhoto on my iMac so I've never been without a "physical copy".

I'm about to buy an iPhone for someone who will be using the camera a lot and they don't have a computer but the iPhone camera will be pointless if the photos cannot be deleted from phone t recover storage space.

 

[aldo82]

I don't know the answer to your question but they could consider other cloud storage options such as Google photos if necessary

 

[AeroBar]

I don't know the answer to your question but they could consider other cloud storage options such as Google photos if necessary

Thank you for the response and I might look into your suggestion as an option if I get confirmation on iCloud.

 

[mrklaw]

I don’t believe so unless you download them onto a computer first. I think you get 30 days grace after deleting from the phone and then it’s deleted from iCloud too

Shouldn’t be worried about storage though - if you have optimise storage enabled then the phone will replace the full photo with a smaller thumbnail which is enough to browse etc - but keep the original on iCloud. Barely takes up any space.

 

[drewdove]

I don’t believe so unless you download them onto a computer first. I think you get 30 days grace after deleting from the phone and then it’s deleted from iCloud too

Shouldn’t be worried about storage though - if you have optimise storage enabled then the phone will replace the full photo with a smaller thumbnail which is enough to browse etc - but keep the original on iCloud. Barely takes up any space.

In my case this isn’t so. On my phone photos (and videos) are taking up 14GB which is the total space of those files. It’s really squeezing my phone space.

 

[AeroBar]

I don’t believe so unless you download them onto a computer first. I think you get 30 days grace after deleting from the phone and then it’s deleted from iCloud too

Shouldn’t be worried about storage though - if you have optimise storage enabled then the phone will replace the full photo with a smaller thumbnail which is enough to browse etc - but keep the original on iCloud. Barely takes up any space.

Sooner of later the phone is going to run out of space though.

Okay, thanks for the information.

 

[tromboneaholic]

This is most likely a very silly question but I'm suffering severe old man brain at the moment and need to ask so I can be sure.

Can a person with an iPhone (no other other device or computer) delete photos from their iPhone but still have those photo in their iCloud?

I have always loaded my iPhone photos to iPhoto on my iMac so I've never been without a "physical copy".

I'm about to buy an iPhone for someone who will be using the camera a lot and they don't have a computer but the iPhone camera will be pointless if the photos cannot be deleted from phone t recover storage space.

No delete necessary.

I have photos dating back to my iPhone 4s and have the optimize photos option turned on. I'm currently using 655 megabytes of storage on my phone for thousands of photos.
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Sooner of later the phone is going to run out of space though.

No it won't. That's not how the optimize feature works. I have over 4,000 photos taking up 655 megabytes.

 

[Five_Oh]

No delete necessary.

I have photos dating back to my iPhone 4s and have the optimize photos option turned on. I'm currently using 655 megabytes of storage on my phone for thousands of photos.
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No it won't. That's not how the optimize feature works. I have over 4,000 photos taking up 655 megabytes.

+1 to this. I have ~120 GB of photos, which take up 2 GB when using "optimize photos".

 

[AeroBar]

In my case this isn’t so. On my phone photos (and videos) are taking up 14GB which is the total space of those files. It’s really squeezing my phone space.

I'm too old fashioned to not keep copies of photos on multiple drives anyway but for the person I'm getting the phone for it is also "not on" as you say. EDIT: Sorry, you didn't actually say that

I thought iPhones and iPads were supposed to need need a computer.

We'll have to set it up so that the iPhone sends me a photo stream that downloads the photos onto my Mac.

 

[nicho]

I'm too old fashioned to not keep copies of photos on multiple drives anyway but for the person I'm getting the phone for it is also "not on" as you say.

I thought iPhones and iPads were supposed to need need a computer.

We'll have to set it up so that the iPhone sends me a photo stream that downloads the photos onto my Mac.

That's not a great plan. Photo stream reduces the photo size and quality. Also, if you use icloud in any shape or form on your mac, impossible (without creating a second account dedicated to this function) unless you share icloud accounts, which isn't a good idea [edit: or they share to you with a shared photostream, which requires manual intervention for every photo. it sounds like a non-starter in this case]

Can a person with an iPhone (no other other device or computer) delete photos from their iPhone but still have those photo in their iCloud?

You don't seem to have picked up from the replies above so I'll lay it out more clearly. iCloud already does what you want but better. "Optimise storage" stores the full photo in icloud, but periodically removes older photos according to space requirements. If you have a 16GB iphone, so be it - it just keeps less full photos on the device. It does this automatically. You can't run out of space - unless you somehow take 1.9TB of photos and fill iCloud.

There's no need to manually delete them to save space. iOS will manually remove them as necessary and allow them to be re-downloaded for viewing at will. It's what you wanted, but better.

 

[AeroBar]

No delete necessary.

I have photos dating back to my iPhone 4s and have the optimize photos option turned on. I'm currently using 655 megabytes of storage on my phone for thousands of photos.
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No it won't. That's not how the optimize feature works. I have over 4,000 photos taking up 655 megabytes.

A delete will be necessary and the phone will sooner or later run out of space.

I did not example everything regarding the person and situation and I only provided the details that were necessary. Not everyone is the same nor do they take the number of photos, etc.

 

[nicho]

A delete will be necessary and the phone will sooner or later run out of space.

It won't.

 

[AeroBar]

That's not a great plan. Photo stream reduces the photo size and quality. Also, if you use icloud in any shape or form on your mac, impossible (without creating a second account dedicated to this function) unless you share icloud accounts, which isn't a good idea [edit: or they share to you with a shared photostream, which requires manual intervention for every photo. it sounds like a non-starter in this case]

What I meant was create a photo stream where the receiver can download the photos onto their computer.

I know photostream compresses them but don't they open to full quality when download?

You don't seem to have picked up from the replies above so I'll lay it out more clearly. iCloud already does what you want but better. "Optimise storage" stores the full photo in icloud, but periodically removes older photos according to space requirements. If you have a 16GB iphone, so be it - it just keeps less full photos on the device. It does this automatically. You can't run out of space - unless you somehow take 1.9TB of photos and fill iCloud.

There's no need to manually delete them to save space. iOS will manually remove them as necessary and allow them to be re-downloaded for viewing at will. It's what you wanted, but better.

I didn't see the other replies as I typing a post myself.

Are you saying iCloud will still have photos that have been deleted from the iPhone?

 

[tromboneaholic]

A delete will be necessary and the phone will sooner or later run out of space.

I did not example everything regarding the person and situation and I only provided the details that were necessary. Not everyone is the same nor do they take the number of photos, etc.

I have over 4,000 photos taking up 655 megabytes.

Is this person going to take 4 million photos to fill up their phone?
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Are you saying iCloud will still have photos that have been deleted from the iPhone?
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What we are saying is that Apple came up with a solution that is better than what you have envisioned. The photos on the phone are thumbnails that take up practically no space.

I don't understand why you are fixated on deleting the photos unless there is a hidden agenda.

Are you trying to hide the photos from someone? There are other options for this.

 

[HappyMBAowner]

What I meant was create a photo stream where the receiver can download the photos onto their computer.

I know photostream compresses them but don't they open to full quality when download?





I didn't see the other replies as I typing a post myself.

Are you saying iCloud will still have photos that have been deleted from the iPhone?

 

[nicho]

Are you saying iCloud will still have photos that have been deleted from the iPhone?

No. You don't need to delete them. It will have all of the photos that have been removed to optimise storage, though. I don't know how many times we have to say this.

Let's imagine you have an 8MB iphone. I'll keep it small to keep it easy. Each photo is 3MB in full quality. The thumbnail, though, is 1KB because it's frikkin' tiny. The device only needs a tiny little picture for you to roughly see what's on it in the camera roll.

1 photo - 3MB
2 photos - 6MB
3 photos - not enough space right? Nah, it'll remove the first one and replace it with a 1KB thumbnail. So 1KB + 3MB + 3MB = 6.001MB
4 photos - not enough space right? Nah, it'll remove the second one and replace it with a 1KB thumbnail. So 1KB + 1KB + 3MB + 3MB = 6.002MB

Want to download a 2MB app? Not enough space right? Nah, it'll remove the third one too. Photos will take up 1KB + 1KB + 1KB + 3MB = 3.003MB.

Want to access the first one to put on facebook? It'll remove the latest, replace it with a 1KB thumbnail and download the first one. Photos will take up 3MB + 1KB + 1KB + 1KB = 3.003MB.

It actually works a lot more efficiently and in the background with real multi gigabyte iphones and photo libraries. Much less deletion...

What I meant was create a photo stream where the receiver can download the photos onto their computer.

You said in the OP they don't have a computer.

 

[AeroBar]

I have over 4,000 photos taking up 655 megabytes.

Is this person going to take 4 million photos to fill up their phone?
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What we are saying is that Apple came up with a solution that is better than what you have envisioned. The photos on the phone are thumbnails that take up practically no space.

I don't understand why you are fixated on deleting the photos unless there is a hidden agenda.

Are you trying to hide the photos from someone? There are other options for this.

I appreciate the input but likewise I don't understand why you are fixated on the unnecessary details.

I have no idea why you re going on about "hidden agendas". I can't even imagine what kind of scenarios you are coming up with but leave me out of it.
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[HappyMBAowner]

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[AeroBar]

No. You don't need to delete them. It will have all of the photos that have been removed to optimise storage, though. I don't know how many times we have to say this.

Let's imagine you have an 8MB iphone. I'll keep it small to keep it easy. Each photo is 3MB in full quality. The thumbnail, though, is 1KB because it's frikkin' tiny. The device only needs a tiny little picture for you to roughly see what's on it in the camera roll.

1 photo - 3MB
2 photos - 6MB
3 photos - not enough space right? Nah, it'll remove the first one and replace it with a 1KB thumbnail. So 1KB + 3MB + 3MB = 6.001MB
4 photos - not enough space right? Nah, it'll remove the second one and replace it with a 1KB thumbnail. So 1KB + 1KB + 3MB + 3MB = 6.002MB

Want to download a 2MB app? Not enough space right? Nah, it'll remove the third one too. Photos will take up 1KB + 1KB + 1KB + 3MB = 3.003MB.

Want to access the first one to put on facebook? It'll remove the latest, replace it with a 1KB thumbnail and download the first one. Photos will take up 3MB + 1KB + 1KB + 1KB = 3.003MB.

It actually works a lot more efficiently and in the background with real multi gigabyte iphones and photo libraries. Much less deletion...

Let us all forget for the moment whether or not photos need to be delete because I still have not got an answer to my original question.

If a person's only device is an iPhone and they delete photos from their phone, are those photos also automatically removed from their iCloud?

You said in the OP they don't have a computer.

Yes, and what I said that the person with no computer send the photo stream to someone else who does.

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[tromboneaholic]

If a person's only device is an iPhone and they delete photos from their phone, are those photos also automatically removed from their iCloud?

Yes, if a person is trying to delete photos to hide them, they will need another method.

The real question is why would they delete photos that take up practically no space?

 

[AeroBar]

Yes, if a person is trying to delete photos to hide them, they will need another method.

The real question is why would they delete photos that take up practically no space?

Really? The only reason you can think of why someone would delete a photograph is that they need to hide it?

Look I appreciate your original intention in posting above but you are going to get narky about all with this "hiding" malarky then what is the point of you spending your time on it.

EDIT: If a photo is deleted from an iPhone, is it also deleted from iCloud? It really is a very straightforward question.

 

[tromboneaholic]

Really? The only reason you can think of why someone would delete a photograph is that they need to hide it?

Look I appreciate your original intention in posting above but you are going to get narky about all with this "hiding" malarky then what is the point of you spending your time on it.

Help me understand why someone would delete a photo that is not consuming substantial storage space if they intend to keep the photo. You keep insisting that the photos will need to be deleted eventually because they will take too much space on the phone. That is simply untrue.

 

[T-Bob]

If iCloud photos is turned on and you delete a photo on phone, it is also removed from cloud. So yes.

 

[vagos]

If a photo is deleted from an iPhone, is it also deleted from iCloud? It really is a very straightforward question.

Yes. iCloud does not keep deleted photos. When you delete a photo there is no reason to have another copy in iCloud.

 

[AeroBar]

Help me understand why someone would delete a photo that is not consuming substantial storage space if they intend to keep the photo. You keep insisting that the photos will need to be deleted eventually because they will take too much space on the phone. That is simply untrue.

Why do you so desperately need to know?

Help me understand why you can't answer the original question.