iPhone 7/Plus can Photos exist only on iCloud???

[nicho]

Yes, and what I said that the person with no computer send the photo stream to someone else who does.

No, what you said was "the receiver can download the photos onto their computer". "Their" being a pronoun referring to the object of the sentence, in the case the receiver. One and the same person.

If a person's only device is an iPhone and they delete photos from their phone, are those photos also automatically removed from their iCloud?

Yes. They will be moved to a "recently deleted" folder immediately. If this is the case, they'll still take up storage space on the device until the next stage.

They will be deleted permanently after 30 days.

 

[AeroBar]

If iCloud photos is turned on and you delete a photo on phone, it is also removed from cloud. So yes.

Thank you.

Yes. iCloud does not keep deleted photos. When you delete a photo there is no reason to have another copy in iCloud.

That highlighted bit is not correct but thank you also for confirming my original question.

 

[tromboneaholic]

Why do you so desperately need to know?

Help me understand why you can't answer the original question.

I answered it above 20 minutes ago.

What we are trying to do is help you, because you seem fixating on deleting the photos even though you haven't provided a use case that would support a clear need to delete the photos.

Your question was answered several times, and without more details we can't help.

 

[nicho]

That highlighted bit is not correct but thank you also for confirming my original question.

Per the design of iCloud Photo library, you're wrong, not vagos.

It's designed to be a single library you can access on multiple devices. The thinking is, if you deleted the device on one device you must want to delete it from the library.

I understand you think there's a need for it to stay in icloud, but it's not a photo repository. Other services may serve this need better, but not seamlessly.

 

[AeroBar]

No, what you said was "the receiver can download the photos onto their computer". "Their" being a pronoun referring to the object of the sentence, in the case the receiver. One and the same person.

Yes, the receiver and the person with the computer are indeed the same person.

The person who sends the photos in the first place is not the receiver. Two different people.

Yes. They will be moved to a "recently deleted" folder immediately. If this is the case, they'll still take up storage space on the device until the next stage.

They will be deleted permanently after 30 days.

Thank you.

 

[jpn]

This is most likely a very silly question but I'm suffering severe old man brain at the moment and need to ask so I can be sure.

Can a person with an iPhone (no other other device or computer) delete photos from their iPhone but still have those photo in their iCloud?

I have always loaded my iPhone photos to iPhoto on my iMac so I've never been without a "physical copy".

I'm about to buy an iPhone for someone who will be using the camera a lot and they don't have a computer but the iPhone camera will be pointless if the photos cannot be deleted from phone t recover storage space.

hi

its best to think of iCloud as a file/photo syncing service.

in NO way does apple market it as a backup service.

if you sign up for iCloud, a delete anywhere will delete the file everywhere.

there are some limited recovery methods that apple has built in to recover some files in some cases, but these are sketchy and can not be relied on in all cases.

therefore, you would be best served to simply do a physical back up of yr entire iPhoto library onto a high capacity USB, regularly.

 

[nicho]

Yes, the receiver and the person with the computer are indeed the same person.

The person who sends the photos in the first place is not the receiver. Two different people.

In that case it's back to the [edit:] second problem I wrote. The receiver must have access to the owner's icloud account. This may interfere with their own usage of icloud, unless they create a separate dedicated account on the computer for it. And then it's a case of remembering to log in periodically, locking up usage of the computer while downloading the photos etc. etc.

 

[AeroBar]

I answered it above.

What we are trying to do is help you, because you seem fixating on deleting the photos even though you haven't provided a use case that would support a clear need to delete the photos.

Your question was answered several times, and without more details we can't help.

No you didn't answer - you just kept harping on about not needing to delete.

I was not (edit) fixated on anything. I asked a question but you were hung up on something else.

No further details were required to answer the original question - proven by the fat that the question was answered.

 

[tromboneaholic]

No you didn't answer - you just kept harping on about not needing to delete.

I was fixated on anything. I asked a question but you were hung up on something else.

No further details were required to answer the original question - proven by the fat that the question was answered.

 

[AeroBar]

hi

its best to think of iCloud as a file/photo syncing service.

in NO way does apple market it as a backup service.

if you sign up for iCloud, a delete anywhere will delete the file everywhere.

there are some limited recovery methods that apple has built in to recover some files in some cases, but these are sketchy and can not be relied on in all cases.

therefore, you would be best served to simply do a physical back up of yr entire iPhoto library onto a high capacity USB, regularly.

Yes, and s I said I'm too old fashioned to not have that back up.

And I know Apple advises it but they have also said that iPad, etc. users don't need a computer - and we. do.
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That is not an answer - that is just you being narky and carrying on with that "hiding" nonsense.

Like I said, it was not me who was "fixated".

Even now with the question answered by others you still can't let it go. That is just silly.
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In that case it's back to the [edit:] second problem I wrote. The receiver must have access to the owner's icloud account. This may interfere with their own usage of icloud, unless they create a separate dedicated account on the computer for it. And then it's a case of remembering to log in periodically, locking up usage of the computer while downloading the photos etc. etc.

No, what I'm talking about is Person A creates a photo stream on their iPhoto. In the settings they allow the the Person B (the receiver) to download photos from that photostream.

So that way Person B has a back up - as Apple advises us to do. Person A does not need a computer.

EDIT: I have a memory of downloading from a photo stream being possible. Maybe I'm Wong about that though.

 

[T-Bob]

Shared albums?

https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT202786

 

[AeroBar]

Shared albums?

https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT202786

Yes, that. I still call it photo stream.

 

[Jordan921]

Let us all forget for the moment whether or not photos need to be delete because I still have not got an answer to my original question.

If a person's only device is an iPhone and they delete photos from their phone, are those photos also automatically removed from their iCloud?





Yes, and what I said that the person with no computer send the photo stream to someone else who does.

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Yes. If they delete them from the phone then they won’t appear in iCloud photos.

 

[andyp350]

You just need to turn on the optimise storage option. You don’t need to manually delete anything from your phone. Original photos will remain in iCloud and your phone will delete them from the internal memory as and when the space is needed to be freed up.

 

[nicho]

EDIT: I have a memory of downloading from a photo stream being possible. Maybe I'm Wong about that though.

Shared photostreams (shared albums) don't give full resolution photos the same way that "my photostream" would. it's also a manual process to add photos to it. that's the tradeoff that allows up to 5000 per shared album, outside of any storage count/limits.

maxes at 2048 pixels on the long edge. by comparison, the photos i took with my iphone X today are 3024 x 4032. you're looking at basically a quarter of the resolution.

[edit: also unless things have changed in recent iOSes, shared albums create an *extra* local copy of the shared photo which is stored on the phone rather than sharing the original. you're therefore using more storage on the phone, which defeats the object a little]

 

[andyp350]

Really? The only reason you can think of why someone would delete a photograph is that they need to hide it?

Look I appreciate your original intention in posting above but you are going to get narky about all with this "hiding" malarky then what is the point of you spending your time on it.

EDIT: If a photo is deleted from an iPhone, is it also deleted from iCloud? It really is a very straightforward question.

Yes.

But if the reasons for wanting to do this are storage related as your original post states then this isn’t an issue as long as they turn on the optimise iPhone storage option.

 

[Starship67]

Answering the title question. From the photos app No.

 

[drewdove]

I answered it above 20 minutes ago.

What we are trying to do is help you, because you seem fixating on deleting the photos even though you haven't provided a use case that would support a clear need to delete the photos.

Your question was answered several times, and without more details we can't help.

My phone is devoting 14GB of space to photos. How do I optimize that manually as it’s not being done automatically?

 

[ET iPhone Home]

This is most likely a very silly question but I'm suffering severe old man brain at the moment and need to ask so I can be sure.

Can a person with an iPhone (no other other device or computer) delete photos from their iPhone but still have those photo in their iCloud?

I have always loaded my iPhone photos to iPhoto on my iMac so I've never been without a "physical copy".

I'm about to buy an iPhone for someone who will be using the camera a lot and they don't have a computer but the iPhone camera will be pointless if the photos cannot be deleted from phone t recover storage space.

Yes you can delete photos on your iPhone and keep the backup in iCloud. Just make sure you toggle off iCLOUD PHOTOS which automatically uploads and store future photos to iCLOUD. This prevents any future backup of any photos you decide to take. But be careful, do not toggle off SHARED ALBUMS, this will delete all photos from iCLOUD.

I just did this on my XS MAX. I did not want any copies of any photos I had stored to iCLOUD on my XS Max. I, then, signed into iCLOUD and deleted any photos I didn't want manually just to free up space. Note:I only have 5GB of iCloud storage, the amount Apple provides without charge.
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If iCloud photos is turned on and you delete a photo on phone, it is also removed from cloud. So yes.

Actually, I signed into iCloud for the very first time a few days ago and there were photos in there that were not on y iPhone. I would periodically delete photos on my iPhone because the photos were just reference I needed temporarily. Once I deleted them from iPhone, they seem to remain in iCloud. I definitely had more photos in iCloud than on my iPhone. Keep in mind I had a 5S 16GB, so I had to free space quite often. But maybe, I don't know something you know. I won't say your wrong, but my experience is different - odd.

 

[andyp350]

My phone is devoting 14GB of space to photos. How do I optimize that manually as it’s not being done automatically?

Have you run out of storage?

 

[drewdove]

Have you run out of storage?

I’m running short with less than a gig left

 

[drewdove]

I’m running short with less than a gig left

Must have been by the update. So much space. Welcome back lost apps

 

[MEJHarrison]

How do I optimize that manually as it’s not being done automatically?

Go into Settings, then Photos, then it should be right there. You can choose "Optimize iPhone Storage" or "Download and Keep Originals".

For reference, on my Mac, my photo library is 126.8 GB. On my phone, it's currently 6.25 GB. Well worth it. Most times I can't even tell I'm looking at an optimized image unless I'm wanting to zoom in on something. That triggers a download anyway, so it's works really, really well. I never even need to think about it.