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notjustjay

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Canada, eh?
None of the announcements today said anything about Apple or Google. Trudeau and Ford both specified that the technology they're using was developed by Shopify and BlackBerry. A "Made in Ontario" solution, as Ford said.

The CBC story refers to the Google-Apple API.

 
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jimbobb24

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Serveral US states should get on this ASAP. AZ, CA, FL, TX are still seeing lots of cases. I think this would be a big help getting people back to work and staying safe.
 

s66

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How about Apple and Google making a very simple app on top of the API where one can enter the positive result of their test and it notifying those you went close to in the past 14 days and notify them to get tested.

To validate the positive result: all you need is a deal with the labs doing this that they use a QR code that contains a short cryptographically signed "positive" result with a simple ID in it that's unique to the result so that you can't have pranksters say they're positive as they can't have a new unique lab signed positive ID.

The labs then need a very simple second app with a simple public key infrastructure to sign the positive results. And a registration system of their public key as a recognised lab. Could be set up in mere weeks, and no government involvement to allow tracking people all the time.

Essentially: source it without any government involvement at all, make it work world-wide in one go.
 
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konqerror

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Essentially: source it without any government involvement at all, make it work world-wide in one go.

Who is going to give the labs the codes? Who decides whether a lab is legit? They have tests now that are similar to pregnancy tests, so there are tens of thousands of doctor's offices, pharmacies, assisted living centers, homeless shelters, and social welfare organizations administering tests.

The people who already have lists of who's legit and who isn't is the government.
 
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iOS Geek

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It's too bad that this got so little traction in the US.
Another issue is how late it came, period. (Yeah I know things take time and we can’t go back and change it). I honestly think this would have been much more useful in the early days. Sure it’s got it’s uses now, but still...

Looking at his whole thing from a nurse standpoint...there are a LOT of things that would have been extremely helpful if it had been done earlier than they were. This is one of those things. And of course we’ve got things from state and federal level that also should have been done earlier. That list is a looooooong one. Heck, I’m STILL waiting on some form of help for my hospital from my state and given how much the situation has improved here at this point, the state might as well not even bother at this point. Too little, too late is a common saying in this situation.
 
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BuddyTronic

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Once again the US is behind the rest of the world.

America First. Safety maybe Fourth or Fifth.

Canada was every bit as dumb about the virus as the USA. Maybe even worse. Esoecislly

“low risk” they said. Masks useless they said. Not spread over the air. All sorts of nonsense. Only “symptomatic travellers” were tested - which supported the idiotic conjecture that the Virus only spread via symptomatic travellers. Such horrible logic.

most countries screwed up except China, Korea, New Zealand.

Having said that, this appears to be a good movE to actually use the good tools Apple and Google have designed. At first the government apps refused - but now they are possibly catching on.
 

imom

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So much hype and scaremongering. Just by living in a crowded city you WILL come into close contact with infected people and if you're under 60 you will almost certainly be fine. It's time to get on with our lives!
 

KootenayJim

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KISS YOUR PRIVACY GOODBYE Thanks to the Canadian Crime Minister!







Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau today announced that Canada plans to launch a nationwide COVID-19 contract tracing app based on Apple's and Google's Exposure Notification API, as noted by iPhone in Canada. Trudeau said the app is slated for release in early July, with testing set to begin in Ontario soon.

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COVID Shield, a reference for public health authorities to build their own apps

Canada will join a growing list of countries that have committed to using the API, including the United Kingdom, Italy, Latvia, Switzerland, Germany, Poland, Saudi Arabia, and others. At least three U.S. states are also adopting the solution.

Built into iOS 13.5 on the Apple side, the API allows iPhones and Android smartphones to interface with one another for contact tracing purposes. If and when you happen to be nearby someone who later tests positive for COVID-19, you can receive a notification and take the appropriate steps to self isolate and seek medical help if necessary.

Apple and Google have stressed the privacy of their Bluetooth-based solution, which must be enabled in the Settings app under Privacy > Health > COVID-19 Exposure Logging to function. Read our Exposure Notification guide for more details.

Article Link: Canada to Launch Nationwide COVID-19 Contact Tracing App Based on Apple/Google Technology
 

Websnapx2

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Another issue is how late it came, period. (Yeah I know things take time and we can’t go back and change it). I honestly think this would have been much more useful in the early days. Sure it’s got it’s uses now, but still...
What about a second wave? Many countries and states are now experiencing spikes — China is closing down again — having a system up and running will still help there.
 
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iOS Geek

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What about a second wave? Many countries and states are now experiencing spikes — China is closing down again — having a system up and running will still help there.
No disagreement there at all. Though it is still a reaction. It's great to have it in the event of a second wave. But it would have been a HUGE help for the first one. I'm also looking at it from a nurse perspective. My state had it's first case in January. My hospital had its first COVID patient in February. Governor didn't do anything until mid-March. You can't go back and change the past...but what you CAN say...is that anything that happened after the beginning of March...came too little too late. One thing we can ALL agree on is that this shouldn't have gotten to the point it did and that there are so many things that could have and should have been done differently and sooner. Now all we have left is to clean up the mess. On a whole score of levels...we screwed up in a critical period and well...look where we ended up. Heck, my hospital STILL hasn't gotten what we asked for from the state and at this point, we might as well not bother waiting since as it currently stands, we don't need the state's help anymore. We managed to get our situation under control ourselves. We were effectively on our own during the worst of this and to say we're angry about how our state leadership handled things would be a major understatement.
 
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Websnapx2

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No disagreement there at all. Though it is still a reaction. It's great to have it in the event of a second wave. But it would have been a HUGE help for the first one. I'm also looking at it from a nurse perspective. My state had it's first case in January. My hospital had its first COVID patient in February. Governor didn't do anything until mid-March. You can't go back and change the past...but what you CAN say...is that anything that happened after the beginning of March...came too little too late. One thing we can ALL agree on is that this shouldn't have gotten to the point it did and that there are so many things that could have and should have been done differently and sooner. Now all we have left is to clean up the mess. On a whole score of levels...we screwed up in a critical period and well...look where we ended up. Heck, my hospital STILL hasn't gotten what we asked for from the state and at this point, we might as well not bother waiting since as it currently stands, we don't need the state's help anymore. We managed to get our situation under control ourselves. We were effectively on our own during the worst of this and to say we're angry about how our state leadership handled things would be a major understatement.
Everything related to COVIS is a reaction — that's kind of the point. New info on a virus we have minimal to moderate understanding of it's variables, the more data we get, the better we understand it. This is something that's impossible to stay ahead of, that's just a fact, so everything is reactionary because the feds got rid of the US's Global Pandemic office that coordinates and informs events like the one we are living through. But even THAT's not the point; The point is that you do the work in front of you with what you have available and worry about for to make the process better later when we're not in it. There is nothing that can be done now for missed opportunities beyond noting them and implementing them once this dies down for the next one, and it sounds like it's what you are doing right now so I commend you. I have two nurses in my family and I get it — there will be opportunities to fix leadership once the **** is cleared — but for now, whatever tools we can use (as soon as we can use them) is always going to be better than nothing.

We thank you for all your efforts, even if they are in less than optimal scenarios, but keep that energy and frustration when it's time to vote so that better leadership (and infrastructure) is in place for when something like this happens again.
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KISS YOUR PRIVACY GOODBYE Thanks to the Canadian Crime Minister!
If you bothered to read up on what you are talking about you would know how that isn't the slightest bit true. This is an uninformed, fear-mongering comment. Your opinion is not based on fact.
 
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Everything related to COVIS is a reaction — that's kind of the point. New info on a virus we have minimal to moderate understanding of it's variables, the more data we get, the better we understand it. This is something that's impossible to stay ahead of, that's just a fact, so everything is reactionary because the feds got rid of the US's Global Pandemic office that coordinates and informs events like the one we are living through. But even THAT's not the point; The point is that you do the work in front of you with what you have available and worry about for to make the process better later when we're not in it. There is nothing that can be done now for missed opportunities beyond noting them and implementing them once this dies down for the next one, and it sounds like it's what you are doing right now so I commend you. I have two nurses in my family and I get it — there will be opportunities to fix leadership once the **** is cleared — but for now, whatever tools we can use (as soon as we can use them) is always going to be better than nothing.

We thank you for all your efforts, even if they are in less than optimal scenarios, but keep that energy and frustration when it's time to vote so that better leadership (and infrastructure) is in place for when something like this happens again.
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If you bothered to read up on what you are talking about you would know how that isn't the slightest bit true. This is an uninformed, fear-mongering comment. Your opinion is not based on fact.
Oh definitely. Tough to do anything other than "react" when it comes to something you've never faced before. I'm more or less speaking from a "hindsight is 20/20" standpoint. Which of course doesn't change anything either. That itself is a reaction too!

And trust me, my anger will definitely be reflected come election time. And there will be people from both political parties that are going to be pretty upset with me for that, because in my opinion...they all botched it. The republican majority fed botched the situation. My democrat majority state botched the situation. As far as I'm concerned, if they are currently in office right now...they need to be thrown out, and I look forward to being a vote that hopefully makes that happen. If I had to pick one person to be the most upset with, however...I'd have to say it would be my governor. He spent WEEKS criticizing the federal government for how they were handling things. And then he left us healthcare workers hanging. In many aspects...he himself did exactly what he criticized the federal government for. I honestly expected better from him and he didn't deliver.
 
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Websnapx2

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Oh definitely. Tough to do anything other than "react" when it comes to something you've never faced before. I'm more or less speaking from a "hindsight is 20/20" standpoint. Which of course doesn't change anything either. That itself is a reaction too!

And trust me, my anger will definitely be reflected come election time. And there will be people from both political parties that are going to be pretty upset with me for that, because in my opinion...they all botched it. The republican majority fed botched the situation. My democrat majority state botched the situation. As far as I'm concerned, if they are currently in office right now...they need to be thrown out, and I look forward to being a vote that hopefully makes that happen. If I had to pick one person to be the most upset with, however...I'd have to say it would be my governor. He spent WEEKS criticizing the federal government for how they were handling things. And then he left us healthcare workers hanging. In many aspects...he himself did exactly what he criticized the federal government for. I honestly expected better from him and he didn't deliver.
Yeah — we need to drop the party lines garbage and actually vote for people based on what they are going to do. Doesn't matter if you are red or blue, will you do what you promise to do — and is that in the people's best interests.

That's everything.
 
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coolfactor

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Once again the US is behind the rest of the world.

America First. Safety maybe Fourth or Fifth.

Some country has to be first. Why does it have to be the US? Honest question. Is this a superiority complex?

Be thankful some great American companies stepped up and created an API that app developers can adhere to all around the world. This is a global effort ... first.
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None of the announcements today said anything about Apple or Google. Trudeau and Ford both specified that the technology they're using was developed by Shopify and BlackBerry. A "Made in Ontario" solution, as Ford said.

The app itself may be made in Ontario, but it will likely use the Apple/Google tracking API. Apple and Google didn't develop an app, but a protocol that apps need to adhere to so that there's a consistent and trustworthy user experience across devices and apps. Otherwise, it would be chaos!
 

ipedro

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None of the announcements today said anything about Apple or Google. Trudeau and Ford both specified that the technology they're using was developed by Shopify and BlackBerry. A "Made in Ontario" solution, as Ford said.

The apps are made by each country which plug into the API that’s built in at the operating system level. Canada’s app is made by Shopify and BlackBerry but will work by leveraging the API on iPhones and Androids.
 

Tech198

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Some country has to be first. Why does it have to be the US? Honest question. Is this a superiority complex?

Probably..Apple always seem to know what's best, and alike, just happen to be in the U.S. If Australia was first to anything, that would really take everyone by surprise.
 

cruggles

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here in Australia we have had a Covid App available for two months.
Yes, but because they didn’t wait for the Apple/Google Api, it doesn’t work and it uses a central server. I’m waiting for the Australian government to admit they got it wrong and release a new decentralised app based on the Api. Then I will download it.
 

Tech198

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Yes, but because they didn’t wait for the Apple/Google Api, it doesn’t work and it uses a central server. I’m waiting for the Australian government to admit they got it wrong and release a new decentralised app based on the Api. Then I will download it.

You reckon they will admit to being wrong? We may be doing things different here, but there is still no evidence of "this helped us because we were using the app"

And its been out for how long now? It seems this 2nd wave spreading, NSW gong into another lock-down looks like, and these tracing "apps" or and Apple stuff goes all hand in hand..

What would be great if there was any evidence to show these actually worked...

Where are all the stories? "I thank to using the x app because we have proven cases, even in the unknown category ?"
 
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