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boo-urns! classic

the ripest thing here is that the people on the teams aren't even from either of these countries (exclusively)... montreal certainly has some americans and the islanders certainly has some canadians.... there's some germans and czechs and russians, etc etc... great irony
 
Originally posted by jelloshotsrule
boo-urns! classic

the ripest thing here is that the people on the teams aren't even from either of these countries (exclusively)... montreal certainly has some americans and the islanders certainly has some canadians.... there's some germans and czechs and russians, etc etc... great irony

Alexei Yashin said something like "if they're going to make a statement about this, I think that's their right and it's okay." That's a Russian who grew up under Communism. He knows what being a "real patriot" for your fatherland means.
 
Originally posted by pseudobrit
Alexei Yashin said something like "if they're going to make a statement about this, I think that's their right and it's okay." That's a Russian who grew up under Communism. He knows what being a "real patriot" for your fatherland means.

indeed... steve nash is taking a lot of crap for being openly anti-war. people are blaming it on his being from canada and blah blah blah. just being arrogant americans. you know how it is.
 
i am canadian

I would first like to state that I am happy that on this board thet most people recognize that the behaviours of a few do not reflect the entire population (on most boards it is just assumed all canadians, americans, etc are the same). Anyhow, booing national anthems is a terrible act, and I have to question whoever participates in it. But, this is not only a thing SOME Canadian's do. It happened frequently between both Canada, and the US in the playoff last year. I am not trying to excuse the fact that some loser Montreal fans booed the anthem last night by any means (Quebec isnt really a part of canada anyway.. hahah). About the war, I think it is ridiculous that the Canadian government is not assisting the US. I believe that if somthing like the events of 9/11 happened to Canada, that the US would, without a doubt, be assisting us. Maybee our Canadian government here is too blind to realize this, or possibly will only react when out country itself is harmed. It also really bothers me to see a lot of Anti-War protests. I think it is OK. to be Anti-War, but a better reason is needed that just saying 'war is unnecessary', or somthing to that effect. Anyway, i am glad that everyone here from the US, and other countries are not putting a stereotype on all Canadians here.
 
Originally posted by pseudobrit
The French -- and the Germans, Russians and Chinese -- vowed to varying degrees not to support a resolution that automatically authorised use of force. Other (a majority) Security Council nations publicly anounced that they would not vote for such a resolution.

Since we couldn't get the authorisation, we acted like there was enough proof in the first resolution. If there were, why did we pursue the second one?

The US and UK offered the second resolution for a couple of reason. First, the French Foreign Minister had previously told the American Secretary of State (at the time of voting for 1441) that France would not veto a second resolution. (The French later also said they would never support an resolution with a deadline for Saddam). However, the main reason for going after a second resolution was to provide political cover to Tony Blair, a man of impressive political courage and determination, not for "authorization." to take action. It worked. Tony Blair got the freedom of action he needed.

About the booing and people moving to other countries. I am happy to live in a country where the national anthem can be booed without fear of government reprisals. I am glad that Canadians also live in such a nation, where they can boo their national anthem or the US national anthem without fear of reprisial from the government. I suggest that you not move to France, where there was a law recently passed that makes it a crime to boo the French national anthem.
 
Two nights before in Washington, at the annual dinner of the American-Irish Fund, the crowd, in the 2,000 range, seemed to divide evenly for and against the president's words when he gave Saddam Hussein 48 hours to get out of town. Half that crowd, including dozens of members of Congress, applauded the president; the other half just stared at a huge television screen mounted in the great hall of the National Building Museum.

Then Secretary of Health and Human Services Tommy Thompson spoke. Trying to be funny, he said that we ought to build a 20-foot wall around France -- and then fill it with water. Maybe a dozen people laughed. Actually, they tittered nervously, embarrassed for Thompson, I think.

Racism. Pure and simple. Advocating genocide is not what you'd expect from a member of the US cabinet, but then again, this administration does a lot you'd never expect.

Since when did the simple teasing become advocating killing the French at the highest levels of government?
 
Originally posted by macfan
About the booing and people moving to other countries. I am happy to live in a country where the national anthem can be booed without fear of government reprisals. I am glad that Canadians also live in such a nation, where they can boo their national anthem or the US national anthem without fear of reprisial from the government. I suggest that you not move to France, where there was a law recently passed that makes it a crime to boo the French national anthem.

News flash! A similar law could be passed here by local, state or national legeslatures. There's nothing stopping law makers from passing dumb or illegal laws. That doesn't mean it is legal when viewed against our other laws.

Just like in France, illegal and conflicting laws can be struck down by the courts if they violate laws with greater precedence. This is why laws against flag burning were struck down in the US: they violated free speach laws.

The anti-booing law can (and likely will) be challenged in a French court of law. France isn't nearly as "backwords" as you'd like to make them out to be.

Taft
 
Originally posted by Taft
There's nothing stopping law makers from passing dumb or illegal laws.... France isn't nearly as "backwords" as you'd like to make them out to be.

This is the Chirac government's law, not some local village in Provence.

In France, one can be brought to court and face jail time for insulting someone! This person was found not guilty, but the law remains in place. That is as backwards as anyone might wish to make it out to be.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/2349879.stm
 
He. Just noticed the title of this thread.

What is the "American national anthem?"

There are 23 nations in "America" not including the Carribean.

I was not aware that they all had one anthem.
:p
 
"He. Just noticed the title of this thread.

What is the "American national anthem?"

There are 23 nations in "America" not including the Carribean.

I was not aware that they all had one anthem."

pseudobrit, why don't you ask the people who live in the 22 countries other than the USA? I wager none of them consider themselves american, certainly not American. They might be Mexican, Honduran, Canadian, Agentinian, etc. It is only your view from outside that makes them "americans". Sounds like a typical colonialist brit, lumping a lot of people together and arbitraily drawing lines in the sand again, just like Gertrude Bell.
so was that a serious comment or are you just being a twit on purpose?
 
Originally posted by kansaigaijin
pseudobrit, why don't you ask the people who live in the 22 countries other than the USA? I wager none of them consider themselves american, certainly not American. They might be Mexican, Honduran, Canadian, Agentinian, etc. It is only your view from outside that makes them "americans". Sounds like a typical colonialist brit, lumping a lot of people together and arbitraily drawing lines in the sand again, just like Gertrude Bell.
so was that a serious comment or are you just being a twit on purpose?

Are Canadians not from America?

Are Brasilians not from South America?

That would, technically make them American, would it not. We are citizens of the United States of America but not the only Americans.

There is an anthem of the USA, but there is no "American anthem."

And please do not call me a twit. I have not insulted you.
 
Originally posted by pseudobrit
Just noticed the title of this thread.

What is the "American national anthem?"

There are 23 nations in "America" not including the Carribean.

I was not aware that they all had one anthem.
:p

As the originator of this thread, I feel obligated to say that if you really don't have anything better to say about the subject, don't go looking for things to cause problems.....everyone knew what I was talking about - if you didn't and are trying to make some point here, well, you're not doing a very good job of it.

D
 
Originally posted by Juventuz
Well to add some good news, in tonights game in Toronto the fans cheered when the American anthem was played.

Same thing yesterday at the Toronto Rock lacrosse game against Philly.

Both the U.S. and Canadian anthems were cheered quite vocally. As it should be.
 
Originally posted by Totalshock

Both the U.S. and Canadian anthems were cheered quite vocally. As it should be.

That's really good to here. Nice to know that its actually cheered. :D And both at that!

D
 
Originally posted by dukestreet
As the originator of this thread, I feel obligated to say that if you really don't have anything better to say about the subject, don't go looking for things to cause problems.....everyone knew what I was talking about - if you didn't and are trying to make some point here, well, you're not doing a very good job of it.

D

It was a joke. I was just trying to lighten up the argument a bit. Instead I get called a TWIT and a troublemaker.

Note the smiley and chill out. Jeez...
 
All the respect I had for Canada (man, I really defended them to some of my friends) is GONE. I'm just sick about that. I don't want this war, but to disrespect us on such a level... Especially when you consider that we would be the first to get their back if they were under siege. ARGH!

OK, now that I got that out of my system, I Canada is still alright. I'm just very angry with the individuals who did the jeering.

Dan
 
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