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I have no doubt that HomePod sounds better than Echo for music, but we use the devices to control our smart home. Music is a secondary function for us. When we started down this road, there wasn’t an Apple equivalent available and more devices were Alexa enabled. For households like ours that already had a smart home set-up, I think it will be more difficult, or at least take longer, for Apple to get the set-ups converted to HomePod.
 
9. NO ability to set EQ for speakers except the canned BS modes under iOS music
10. NO ability to set speaker sizes or speaker cut off frequencies when using as Home Theater pair
11. NO ability to use in as a 2.1, 4.1 or 5.1 surround which would be very simple utilizing an Apple AirPod Express and a sub
12. - 100. Siri SUCKS!

9,10,11 are pretty professional features. Does Sonos have that level of granularity? I don't think any consumer is doing EQ on their iOS device or Mac. EQ still exists but it's pretty buried in the settings.

Also, if you're doing a subwoofer setup, I don't think AirPlay2 is going to work for you. I'm with you though, it would be fantastic for Apple to take a Sonos approach and provide the option for someone to configure a home theatre with 5 HomePods and a HomePodBass but that would make the price $300 * 6 to get that. Most consumers are struggling to buy 1 full priced one.

I concur. One thing that always amuses/frustrates me is when I tell Siri to turn off the lights in a room (philips hue bulbs), about 5% of the time, some but not all of the bulbs turn off. The other 95% of the time it’s great, but yeah weird glitches. I would have expected that from Amazon or Google but not Apple. Otherwise, I too love the HomePod.

... perhaps that’s a Philips thing though. My lutron Casetta switches seem to always work flawlessly (via Siri)

I'm very surprised that Apple hasn't just started making their own home appliances. I'm not talking about microwaves but 1st party bulbs that were guaranteed to work every time versus Hue which requires a dongle would be awesome. I would switch to an Apple HomeKit solution if they offered it. It's only a matter of time, Amazon is buying up their 3rd party integrations (Ring, Eero) and Google owns Nest. Apple purchasing August/Elgato or just doing their own thing would be great.
 
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Apple doesnt need to prove anything. The HomePod is a great speaker and people who want it and like it will buy it if they see the value in it. People who are fine with speakers that collect their data and sound like oversized cell phone speakers can keep their Amazon echo and google home.
I'm thinking of trying a HomePod mini but I'm 5 speakers into Sonos and have no intention of changing. They don't sound like oversized cell phone speakers, and Siri works for sending music through Airplay to them just fine so no google or amazon either. There are more than 3 options in the game these days.
 
i want apple to catch up so much u can tell you have i have alexa and google and siri at home for all my devices and more often siri cant complete reqeusts or takes wat to long for no reason, all the other speakers almost always get it right... i have lights garage door openers and outlets that im using them for
 
Apple doesnt need to prove anything. The HomePod is a great speaker and people who want it and like it will buy it if they see the value in it. People who are fine with speakers that collect their data and sound like oversized cell phone speakers can keep their Amazon echo and google home.

Spot-on. It's not competing in the "global smart speaker market."

Apple went their own way designing a premium speaker for their ecosystem, primarily for playing music via Apple Music, and controlled by the owner's voice.
 
“Better” is an opinion... this is elementary level education.
Facts look like this:
Amazon echo studio uses 5 speakers to produce sound and costs $199

Apple HomePod uses 7 tweeters and a woofer to produce sound, and costs $299.

Opinions look like this: echo studio is better than the HomePod.

B&W MM-1 use 1 speaker each and a pair sound better than the 16 speakers in a pair of HomePods 9 years after their release and have both inputs and outputs. ( I know i own both)
This is what facts look like.
 
B&W MM-1 use 1 speaker each and a pair sound better than the 16 speakers in a pair of HomePods 9 years after their release and have both inputs and outputs. ( I know i own both)
This is what facts look like.

Really? Is your B&W system always on, waiting for a voice command to play music, without needing to have a computer/phone or other music source powered up?

That's what HomePod is. And it works remarkably well. Facts.
 
Except it's NOT an opinion. They are better than the average smart speaker which is pure garbage but there are plenty of real speakers that blow these away. Even 9 year old desk top B&W MM-1 speakers are selling for what they did new because of audio quality and there are better.
So you’re now qualifying your opinion to incorporate the entirety of all speakers. I’m sure my old KBLs blow away your 9 year old desktop speakers so they must be utter garbage as well.
 
I would agree but, and I just filled out one of Apple's 15 minute surveys, this one about HomePod and I provided the only area of displeasure I have with this speaker is Siri.

These things consumers know are true about HomePod
  1. Fantastic Sound quality
  2. Amazing microphones and can hear you across the house
  3. Amazing 1st party integration with the apple ecosystem
  4. multi-user and knows your calendar and address book
  5. Can be paired and used in stereo pairs
  6. Excellent integration with apple music and podcasts
  7. New intercom will be a game changer for affluent families in large sprawling mcMansions
  8. Apple is a company that puts privacy first

Therefore, $99-$300 for a speaker is 'reasonable' for people who an afford it who are already all-in on Apple spending $1000 on their phones and $3,000 on their laptops but the key thing holding HomePod back isn't price..that's part of it. Homepod's pricing makes this not an impulse purchase but Alexa and Google's box thing are very fast at responding and get responses right very often. I have a whole-home HomeKit setup..everything is connected and Siri misses my commands about 20% of the time on any given day. It's just me, no other noises and when I tell it to lock the doors, turn off lights or set a scene, Siri will reply "got it!" very enthusiastically and nothing actually happened or say "hmmmm" and then nothing. These misses are frustrating but I'd rather ditch HomeKit completely than switch to a company that isn't putting privacy first so apple has me 100% but Siri is holding HomePod back..followed by pricing....followed by 3rd party integrations.
I don't use google or alexa and use Siri sparingly. I'm probably one of the few in the world, who get's annoyed by these smart assistants. I could care less asking about the latest scores in the world series, for example. Homepod to me is perfect for what I use it for. Airplay streaming and Apple music. At $199 sale it's a good buy. The mini at $99 hits the sweet spot.
 
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The idea that they never show the attached cords is deceptive advertising, in my opinion. With so many rechargable speakers on the market, why Apple would come up with these is so odd... *shrug*

Not deceptive. HomePod doesn't compete in the rechargeable speaker market.
 
Not even the original Homepod is available in my country yet, after more than 2 years. Can't remember the last time that happend.... so i'm still wondering how serious Apple is taking this product.
Same here in Denmark 🇩🇰
Come on Apple
I'm genuinely curious about users complaining about this. If you live in Europe, what impedes you to buy one on eBay UK and ship it to your country? I'm 10.000 miles away from USA and managed to get one 🤷🏻‍♂️
 
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So you’re now qualifying your opinion to incorporate the entirety of all speakers. I’m sure my old KBLs blow away your 9 year old desktop speakers so they must be utter garbage as well.

I bet you KBL's won't. LOL!
 
Homepod and Mini are simply mediocre in terms of both sound and Siri. Rather amusing to see Apple trying to play catch-up.
This sounds like a competition talking point. First. When it comes to sound quality the reviews say different. Then playing catch-up is subjective. When compacted head to head in test they all came close but had different strengths. Google and Alexa do a poor job of controlling device functions like Apple has been good at since 2000 on the Mac then the iPod and on to the iPhone. There was a hit taken in the last couple of years as Siri moved to on device processing for security reasons. That is the primary reason the developed the neural engine. As it gets into more of a percentage of their active user base, all bets are off. Apple haters tend to forget history. They always tend to end up winning the war. The small battles are short term. They plan much further down the road.
 
So many replies on these stories of course focus on Echo and Google Home. Our house is all-in on Sonos though, since we were more interested in the “speaker” than the “smart,” and there really was no good option from Apple at the time.
I’m in the Sonos camp because I wanted great music in my living room and great home theater, and had very little space to work with. The Arc and Play:1’s do a fantastic job of both. I‘d love for Apple to do a proper home theater setup based on HomePods, but two HomePods faking surround isn’t it.

9,10,11 are pretty professional features. Does Sonos have that level of granularity? I don't think any consumer is doing EQ on their iOS device or Mac. EQ still exists but it's pretty buried in the settings.
Setting EQ and and speaker cutoff frequencies aren’t professional features, they’re just nonsensical in a system that is using a bunch of electronics and software to automatically tune to the environment (HomePod does this continuously, Sonos does it on demand with TruePlay). It’s like looking at a car and complaining that there’s no place to put the saddle - complaining there’s no way to do tasks that no longer need to be done. Sonos has some limited controls for adjusting the sound, buried in the menus, but you’re better off not messing with them and letting TruePlay do the work of balancing the sound for the room - the results are spectacular.

Also, if you're doing a subwoofer setup, I don't think AirPlay2 is going to work for you. I'm with you though, it would be fantastic for Apple to take a Sonos approach and provide the option for someone to configure a home theatre with 5 HomePods and a HomePodBass but that would make the price $300 * 6 to get that.
You can, already, today, send Airplay2 stereo to a subwoofer-equipped Sonos system, and it directs the proper frequencies to the subwoofer. I’d still very much like to see Apple make a HomePod sound bar, or proper center channel. I’m not really interested in having two HomePods pretend to do surround sound. But I’d love to see Apple do a real, convincing, home theater setup.

I'm thinking of trying a HomePod mini but I'm 5 speakers into Sonos and have no intention of changing. They don't sound like oversized cell phone speakers, and Siri works for sending music through Airplay to them just fine so no google or amazon either.
I’m looking at getting a HomePod mini almost entirely to AirPlay music to my Sonos speakers (also to control lights) - it looks like I can say, “Hey Siri, play (musical selection) on Sonos” and it’ll work, since I can do similar from my iPhone. The feature that would really sell it is if HomePod could stream arbitrary URLs, so I could put, say Soma.FM’s Groove Salad on my iPhone with a URL (like I can on my Mac), and then tell the HomePod mini “Hey Siri, play Groove Salad on my Sonos” (I don’t care if Groove Salad is available in their Internet Radio catalog or some such - I have a handful of subscription-based streams with private URLs that will never be in their catalog, so the URLs are key).
 
I would compare Homepod mini with not what you expect it should be but how it compares with rest on market under $100. I think at the $99, pretty cool device.
 
They waited too long to release this. It's possible they wanted it out earlier, but it's almost 3 years later than it should be. It could still be successful, of course, but they missed the best chance they had.
 
Really? Is your B&W system always on, waiting for a voice command to play music, without needing to have a computer/phone or other music source powered up?

I digress but it is amusing to see the crowd that values privacy okay with a device that is always listening. Not I am not talking about Apple devices specifically.
 
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