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Originally posted by sparkleytone
i guess you aren't emacs vs. vi experienced.....

*laugh*

Actually, if you must know, I use viper-mode in emacs, which implements a variant of the vi keymappings. Emacs is a great operating system. With viper, it gets a decent editor...

Aaaaannnnnyway, to get back on topic, the results posted over at barefeats:

http://www.barefeats.com/al15.html

look good. I'm going to go take another look at the pb today, and I may reenter my order. Does anyone have any experience with the heat these guys put out?

I'm still not swooning over this rev, but f**kall if I'm going to get a dell, and thinkpads are just as expensive...

Cheers,
prat
 
F**k. All the other laptops out there suck in their own special way. Really, there is no choice: despite the less than overpowering chip, powerbooks are the best laptops out there. The price parity is even pretty good.

Order is back in.
 
That's so true. Just look at everything else it has: FW 400 and 800, USB 2.0, APE, BT, DVD-R, ATi 9600, backlit keyboard, a nice fast HD option BTO...no one could rationally complain about the overall feature set of that kind of combination.
 
Personally, I like the way the screens are on the PowerBooks and iBooks, but that's just me. They seem sturdier than before. More solid.

Anyways, the current lineup of PowerBooks is a dream come true. You have an ultra-portable (not super thin like a tiny vaio, but small by terms of laptops) 12" PowerBook that you can get with a SuperDrive. It's fast enough to handle photoshop, final cut pro and express, and everything in between. The 15" PowerBook has just the right size screen (although I can't say much about the resolution, as I don't use one...), packs a punch with the 1.25ghz G4 and the Radeon mobility 9600. The backlit keyboard is really cool, and the actual keyboard on these things is much, much better than the TiBook or iBook keyboards. As for performance, the dropping of L3 cache doesn't seem to have any effect. I guess that in the past, it was something with the processor that actually needed the L3 cache, where here, the increase in L2 cache seems to do the trick. I also think that the aluminum finish is better than the TiBooks. The TiBooks were nice, but the aluminum PowerBooks seem more sturdy. I've dropped mine (12" PowerBook), and it didn't even dent the aluminum. As for heat, that's usually based on the comfort level of the user. I can tolerate quite a bit of heat, and it's actually pretty nice in this cold dorm room, but it should only get hot when you're running any CPU, graphics, or disk intensive apps, such as folding, photoshop renders, or disk things... You can't feel the heat through the keyboard (or at least I can't), and if you put it on a desk, and get one of those riser things, it makes a big difference, elevating the back of the PowerBook making it easier to type on, and raising the screen. It also keeps it cool.

If you need a laptop now, I'd say get the 15" PowerBook. New stuff will always be coming out, but sometimes you just have to bite the bullet and make a purchase. It'll be obsolete in about 8 months, but that's longer than most PC laptops. My 12" PowerBook, which is 9 months old, still works fine. I don't feel it's obsolete, just because I don't have DVI, USB2, or a 1ghz processor. Actually, when I got mine, I thought that the lack of L3 cache would make a big hit on performance, but my 12" PowerBook runs just fine.

I hope you make a decision that works best for you. I'll just warn you that even centrino laptops have problems, like being made out of plastic, and will become obsolete before your 15" PowerBook.

Good Luck!
 
As much as I love entering into a pissing contest over having the best/fastest system, at the end of the day, I don't even need a 1.25 GHz G4 probably. I just need it fast enough to handle OS X, do word processing, some Keynote projects, some light photo editing, some video work once I get a video camera, internet/research stuff, etc. It's always nice to have the extra power when you need it, but even though I thought I'd be disappointed getting a G4 when there are G5s out, the thing that really gets me excited are just all the great features these things have. At the end of the day, that is what really makes it the most useful to me. Not an extra hundred MHz here or there, but having FW 800 when I need it, or DVI for all my presentations, or being able to use APE/BT for convenience and so on. These are what make the PowerBook so desirable and useful to me. That, and they are hands down the sexiest laptops ever. :)
 
Hey Prat,
Why dont you buy my 12" PowerBook 867 with 640 RAM, and Airport Extreme card for 1400. The computer is only 3 weeks old, and I am in the Bay Area so we can meet up. This way, you can save for the g5, and get a new comp till you upgrade!

jamesk777@mac.com
 
Originally posted by praetorian_x
*laugh*

Actually, if you must know, I use viper-mode in emacs, which implements a variant of the vi keymappings. Emacs is a great operating system. With viper, it gets a decent editor...

Aaaaannnnnyway, to get back on topic, the results posted over at barefeats:

http://www.barefeats.com/al15.html

look good. I'm going to go take another look at the pb today, and I may reenter my order. Does anyone have any experience with the heat these guys put out?

I'm still not swooning over this rev, but f**kall if I'm going to get a dell, and thinkpads are just as expensive...

Cheers,
prat

I have had one all running all day today (1.25 standard config). it doesn't sem very hot at all. Not nearly as warm as my officemate's 867mhz 12" version which gets rather warm.

All I can say is that it is a hell of a machine.
 
Originally posted by praetorian_x
*laugh*

Actually, if you must know, I use viper-mode in emacs, which implements a variant of the vi keymappings. Emacs is a great operating system. With viper, it gets a decent editor...

Cheers,
prat

OMG That's killing me. The funny...make it stop! Aaaahh. I'm a vi guy myself, but I've always been fascinated by the everything-including-its-own-programming-language-AND-spacestation angle on emacs. But I'm a vi guy cuz it's tiny, "simple" and my small brain can comprehend it easily. Emacs has TOO much power, it baffles me. It reminds me of go vs chess sort of.

Just wanted to post a followup on cache concerns, from other threads here, it looks like the L3 would have to had jumped all the way to 2mb (which is no prob for the 7457) to really help out such a large L2. And I'm guessing that 2mb L3 would be costly financially and power-wise.
 
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