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The space occupied by the now defunct Ontario Place presents the best opportunity for a Disney theme park in Canada.

Why Disney Should Build Its Next Park in Toronto:

1. The combined area of Ontario Place and Exhibition Place is 328.870 acres, larger than many of Disney's resorts, including DisneyLand Park in Anaheim, California.

2. DisneyLand Park attracted 23,738,000 visitors in 2012, while only 880,001 people visited Ontario Place in 2011. Those attendance numbers shouldn't be expected, however, a substantial increase in attendance would likely take place.

3.The City if Toronto is surrounded by several large municipalities, each with hundreds of thousands of residents. Over 8 million people live within driving distance of the City. To put that into perspective, Anaheim has a population of only 336,265 people.

4. 108 million Americans live within nine hours of Toronto around 35 per cent of the U.S. population, which is expected to grow to 141 million by 2050.

5. Toronto is a very diverse city, and a Disney theme park in Toronto would attract many international visitors.

6. A Disney Theme Park would push Toronto above and beyond the likes of New York, L.A., Chicago, etc.
 

maflynn

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Is Disney interested in opening up a new park?

Wouldn't this cannibalize their Parks in CA and FLA?

Basically, it goes along the lines, just because thy can, doesn't mean they should.
 

sviato

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No thanks. Traffic is bad enough on Lakeshore around there in the summer (why put this so close to downtown...). A DisneyLand in Toronto would never pull numbers even close to California's due to a much smaller population and random long winters. Canada's Wonderland is just a short ride north.
 

The Leafs Fan

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Is Disney interested in opening up a new park?

Wouldn't this cannibalize their Parks in CA and FLA?

Basically, it goes along the lines, just because thy can, doesn't mean they should.
Well I'm sure they wouldn't turn down another source of revenue.:D

Well, as of 2011, only 30% of Americans have passports (required for travel between the U.S. and Canada since 2007), as opposed to 60% of Canadians. That alone would help prevent cannibalization of the parks in CA and FLA. Since there are more passport holders in border regions, a Toronto park would draw most of its American visitors from nearby states.
 

rdowns

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Why would Disney want to locate a park in the ****ing tundra?
 

Mousse

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I'm not sure the sting of Euro-Disney has faded yet after 20+ years. Have they recouped their investment there yet? I don't see Disney opening up a theme park outside the US for another 20 or so years.
 

Zerozal

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I'm not sure the sting of Euro-Disney has faded yet after 20+ years. Have they recouped their investment there yet? I don't see Disney opening up a theme park outside the US for another 20 or so years.
They have opened theme parks outside the US since Euro-Disney.

Disneyland (CA): 1955
Disneyworld (FL): 1971
Tokyo Disney: 1983
Disneyland Paris (formerly called EuroDisney): 1992
Hong Kong Disneyland: 2005
Shanghai Disney: groundbreaking in 2011, opening 2015
 

maflynn

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Well I'm sure they wouldn't turn down another source of revenue.:D

Well, as of 2011, only 30% of Americans have passports (required for travel between the U.S. and Canada since 2007), as opposed to 60% of Canadians. That alone would help prevent cannibalization of the parks in CA and FLA. Since there are more passport holders in border regions, a Toronto park would draw most of its American visitors from nearby states.
But those same Canadians go to DW now in FLA. Why spend 100s of millions of dollars when they already have that revenue source. Besides I would suspect many of the Canadians who go to DW do it in part to enjoy the warm weather. That would not be the case in Toronto.
 

The Leafs Fan

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But those same Canadians go to DW now in FLA. Why spend 100s of millions of dollars when they already have that revenue source. Besides I would suspect many of the Canadians who go to DW do it in part to enjoy the warm weather. That would not be the case in Toronto.
I'm sure they would recoup the cost of building a new resort over time.

Maybe they could do some sort of Winter theme where they use the cold weather to their advantage. During the Summer, they could revert to the normal theme.
 

AustinIllini

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I believe Disney would be more likely to build further on its Walt Disney World property before building another park elsewhere in North America.
 

Don't panic

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I believe Disney would be more likely to build further on its Walt Disney World property before building another park elsewhere in North America.
It would make sense, depending how they go about it
On the one hand, they need to refresh the parks and increase the appeal to adults older kids, which are been syphoned away by competing parks in orlando
On the other hand, massive investment in just improving DW would have smaller return, as people already go there anyway.

If i were them, i would develop a 5th separately themed park within DW orlando so people would "have" to stay an extra day to see that one as well. For example a sci-fi world centered on star wars, with multiple SW rides geared towards older kids (e.g. Millennium falcon escape 'real' rollercoaster, shooter ride, tie/xwing flight simulators, gungan water ride, pod racer ride, mos esley cantina, move the simulator from hs, ewok forest playground, a couple of younger kids rides, etc)
Throw in a Tron ride and a couple of Wall-e rides and you've got a winner.
It would be absolutely packed and give the harry potter world a run for the money.
 

NukeIT

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They have opened theme parks outside the US since Euro-Disney.

Disneyland (CA): 1955
Disneyworld (FL): 1971
Tokyo Disney: 1983
Disneyland Paris (formerly called EuroDisney): 1992
Hong Kong Disneyland: 2005
Shanghai Disney: groundbreaking in 2011, opening 2015
Also DisneySea at Tokyo Disney in the early 2000's
 

maflynn

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I'm sure they would recoup the cost of building a new resort over time.

Maybe they could do some sort of Winter theme where they use the cold weather to their advantage. During the Summer, they could revert to the normal theme.
No one is going to travel to an amusement park when its 20 degrees. There's a reason Walt Disney built Disneyland in California and DisneyWorld in Florida. It warm (and hot) year round. The majority of people will not want to wait x minutes outside in 20 degrees temps, then get on a ride that increases wind-chill such as roller coaster.

Don't forget the complexity of trying to keep the park clear and clean of snow and ice during this time, it would be nightmare trying have it safe enough for kids to move around.

They'll not recoup the costs in a long long time if ever, because they'll not get Americans to visit it (they'll want to go to DW or DL) and many Canadians as stated will also want to somewhere where they can also enjoy the warm weather.