Canon vs Nikon

[jackerin]

Just turned on my Canon 1000D which is the model the OP was asking about and it can not take raw photos in automatic mode. Just JPG. I was not referring to other models. The camera's firmware is 1.0.6. I don't know if a newer revision changed that.

Didn't think it was correct so I checked on my own 1000D. No RAW in the auto-modes. Sort of strange omission, but the P mode is just a click away and it's basically auto-mode with a twist.

 

[xStep]

Here is great info on Canon refurb program, great way to save some $$'s on a DSLR.

http://photography-on-the.net/forum/showpost.php?p=11146545&postcount=1

Seems that this refurb link is useless without a password for that site.

I did find this Canon page via Google.

 

[rhett7660]

11482523]Just turned on my Canon 1000D which is the model the OP was asking about and it can not take raw photos in automatic mode. Just JPG. I was not referring to other models. The camera's firmware is 1.0.6. I don't know if a newer revision changed that.[/B]




Are you sure? Because I can't.

Very interesting.....

 

[NeoMac]

So I braved the madness on Black Friday and I purchased the Canon. I got a sweet deal which included an EF 75-300mm Lens. I'm excited about it. I realize its an entry level camera but I hope its the start of a new love of photography. My wife is paying for my tuition at the local college for a Intro to Photography class as a Christmas gift. Thanks all again for your input. I hope you all have a great holiday season.

 

[monokakata]

OK, so, I'm an old Nikon filmie. 55mm f2.8 Micro still the best lens in history

I agree about the 55 mm Micro-Nikkor, but mine's a f/3.5, not 2.8. It dates from the early seventies and as a sign of how much I value it, when I dumped my old Nikon glass (20, 28 f/2, 24 f/2.8, 35 f/1.4, 50 f/1.4, 85 f/1.8 and the 135 f/2.8) the only one I kept was the Micro, which works fine on my D300.

Somebody in this thread suggested choosing glass first, body second. I agree with that, too, even if it means choosing a body for glass you can't afford right now.

 

[srf4real]

So I braved the madness on Black Friday and I purchased the Canon. I got a sweet deal which included an EF 75-300mm Lens. I'm excited about it. I realize its an entry level camera but I hope its the start of a new love of photography. My wife is paying for my tuition at the local college for a Intro to Photography class as a Christmas gift. Thanks all again for your input. I hope you all have a great holiday season.

Sounds like you're embarking on an exciting new journey Neo. Be sure to share your view through that Canon with us!

 

[jnpy!$4g3cwk]

I agree about the 55 mm Micro-Nikkor, but mine's a f/3.5, not 2.8. It dates from the early seventies and as a sign of how much I value it, when I dumped my old Nikon glass (20, 28 f/2, 24 f/2.8, 35 f/1.4, 50 f/1.4, 85 f/1.8 and the 135 f/2.8) the only one I kept was the Micro, which works fine on my D300.

Somebody in this thread suggested choosing glass first, body second. I agree with that, too, even if it means choosing a body for glass you can't afford right now.

I do have my eye out for a good used D700, mainly because of the 55mm. I do think there is something about good macro lenses that make them better for everything. And I admit that I've never met a zoom lens that I really like.

In answer to OreoCookie: Thanks for the thoughtful response. Yes, for some reason, I particularly like having the location recorded directly in the EXIF info. It seems that not everyone feels that way, but, that's me. I do have several AI-S lenses that I would like to save.

 

[jnpy!$4g3cwk]

So I braved the madness on Black Friday and I purchased the Canon. I got a sweet deal which included an EF 75-300mm Lens. I'm excited about it. I realize its an entry level camera but I hope its the start of a new love of photography. My wife is paying for my tuition at the local college for a Intro to Photography class as a Christmas gift. Thanks all again for your input. I hope you all have a great holiday season.

Congratulations! I'm jealous.

 

[mtbdudex]

Seems that this refurb link is useless without a password for that site.

I did find this Canon page via Google.

My bad, here is more info copy/paste from POTN

Overview - The Canon Loyalty Program provides the opportunity to trade in an existing Canon product for a refurbished Canon Digital SLR. There may be Point and Shoot options available, but this Thread will focus on the DSLR options. The program initially required the trade in product to be broken (easy to accomplish), but recently they have relaxed this restriction to simply being out of warranty. There have been reports of Film Cameras being accepted, but for now assume that you will need a broken (or out of warranty) Canon Digital camera (P&S or DSLR).

This is a very fluid program. Pricing, availability, requirements, and eligibility have changed almost on a daily basis. You will also find a wide range of answers from the Customer Service Representatives at the CLP - especially regarding product availability. If you read about a new development and don't like the answer you initially get when calling, I would recommend calling back and checking with a different CSR.

How do I contact Canon? The phone number for the CLP is 1 (866) 443-8002. Select option "2".

When are they open? They are open 7 days a week. Phone lines are answered from 8:00AM to Midnight Eastern.

I have searched the Canon website and can't find anything about the Canon Loyalty Program. Why is that? Because it is not published on the website. The only way to order is via the phone number above.

What models are available? Current DSLR availability includes:
Canon XS
Canon XS with 18-55 Kit Lens
Canon T1i
Canon T1i with 18-55 Kit Lens
Canon 40D
Canon 40D with 28-135 Kit Lens
Canon 50D
Canon 50D with 28-135 Kit Lens
Canon 7D
Canon 5D Mark II (Removed from the Program November 1, 2010. If you are interested in a 5DMII I would recommend calling the toll free number above and asking for availability under the CLP.)

Are there any Powershot Models available thru the CLP? If you are in the market for a refurbished Powershot camera, I would check the availability at the Canon Direct site and then call the phone number above and ask if the model you want is available thru the CLP. (link for Powershot models on Canon Direct is: http://shop.usa.canon.com/webapp/wcs...10051_-1_12163 )

What is the cost? Prices were reduced in Mid October 2010 to the current levels of:
Canon XS - $319.99
Canon XS with 18-55 Kit Lens - $399.99
Canon T1i - $415.99
Canon T1i with 18-55 Kit Lens - $479.99
Canon 40D - $559.20
Canon 40D with 28-135 Kit Lens - $719.20
Canon 50D - $719.20
Canon 50D with 28-135 Kit Lens - $839.20
Canon 7D - $1,119.00 (Price increased to $1,119.20 from $1087.20 early November 2010, but there are many reports of the original $1,087.20 price being offered at final checkout)
Canon 5D Mark II - $1,599.20 (Removed from Program November 1, 2010)
You will be charged state sales tax for the state your credit card is issued.

How can I pay? CLP accepts Visa, Mastercard, Discover, and American Express

What comes with my CLP Camera? You will receive a refurbished Canon Product. It will come in a plain white box, with a complete set of accessories (battery, charger, strap, cables, CD, Manuals - may or may not include a small capacity CF card). For orders placed from October 24, 2010 thru November 6, 2010 (while supplies last), Canon is including 2 each 1 GB Compact Flash memory cards with each camera ordered. Initial reports are that the included cards lack both needed capacity and write speed for the higher end models.

What is a "Refurbished" Camera? Refurbished cameras include: dealer overstocks, damaged packaging returns, test units pulled from production, and customer returns. Refurbished cameras are calibrated to factory specifications, updated to latest firmware, and in most cases cannot be distinguished from new products. The majority of the cameras are arriving to buyers with a shutter count of less than 1,000, with some as low as 12-15.

Are there any markings or other identification for a refurbished camera? There will be a small 1/4 inch gold sticker located on the bottom of the camera and on the side of the kit lens. "Refurbished" is written in red letters. The sticker can be easily removed.

What is the Warranty? Warranty is 90 days from delivery. Service must be done thru the CLP which will require returning the camera to Canon. There have been only a few reports of OOB (Out of Box) issues, which have been addressed by Canon with a replacement.

Can I get an extended coverage warranty from a third party? Yes. There are a number of 3rd party Extended Service Contracts available for Refurbished Electronics. Google "Canon Digital SLR Extended Service Contracts" and find the option that best fits your individual needs. One option is $80 for 2 years available here:

http://www.adorama.com/IMXW2UP.html

Why do I need a trade in? The trade in provides you the additional discount (20%) off the published Canon Refurbished Prices. The Customer Service Rep may ask for the serial number from your trade in product.

Do I need to be the original owner of the trade in? Do I need to provide the original receipt? Does the trade in need to be registered with Canon? No to all of the above. The only requirement is that the product be a Canon camera that is out of warranty.

I don't own any Canon products that I can / want to trade in. How can I take advantage of this program? Check eBay, your local Craigslist, or post in the POTN Buy Forum. You should be able to purchase a broken Point and Shoot for under $30. If you end up having a P&S shipped to you, don't forget that you will need the serial number to place your order.

What if I have a broken DSLR such as a 10D or 20D - can I get a bigger trade-in credit? No! The model of the camera is irrelevant to the trade in value. As a result, if you have a broken 50D that is out of warranty, you may be better to repair and sell it, or sell it for parts as opposed to using it on this program.

What happens if I don't return the trade in? Canon will charge your Credit Card for the discount if the Return is not received within 14 business days of shipment of your CLP product.

What happens if I change my mind? There is a 14 Business Day Return Policy for refunds should you change your mind. After that ALL SALES ARE FINAL. One important note: If you return the trade-in during the 14 days, the sale is considered completed and final. In other words, you will not be able to return the camera for a refund if you have shipped your trade-in back to Canon. If you decide to return your refurbished camera to Canon for a refund, DO NOT USE THE TRADE-IN LABEL FOR A RETURN! THE TRADE IN LABEL GOES TO A RECYCLING FACILITY WHERE YOUR REFURBISHED CAMERA WILL BE DESTROYED. YOU WILL NOT RECEIVE CREDIT FOR THE RETURN

After I place my order what happens? After ordering, you will receive 5 emails; in this order:
- Welcome to Canon account (creating your account)
- Canon Account Password request (activating your account)
- Order Number (acknowledging your order)
- Shipment (acknowledging shipment)
- Canon Consumer Products Recycle Label (shipping label for return of your trade in)

How is it shipped? Standard shipping is FedEx 2nd business day shipping. There is a line item for the shipping charge, but it is credited back to you - so essentially it's free shipping. If you are in a hurry, you will have the option of Next Business Day shipping for an additional charge of $12.00. Shipment will be signature required (FedEx will NOT leave it at your door if nobody is home).

How can I track my order? FedEx tracking number will be included in your shipment acknowledgment.

How can I check availability without calling Canon? Check the availability of the model you are interested in on the Canon Direct Store:

http://shop.usa.canon.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/subCategory_10051_10051_-1_29252

Inventory changes daily! If your desired model is not available, check back.

Are Lens products available with this program? Other than the kit options for the XS and T1i (which include the 18-55 lens), and the 40D and 50D (which include the 28-135 lens) there are no lens options available.

Is there a limit to the number of times I can participate in this program? It has been reported that there is a limit of 3 transactions per address, however your individual experience may vary.

Is the program available in Canada, UK, Australia, Asia, South America, Africa, etc? Currently this program is for the United States only. The billing address from your credit card and shipment address must match, which will prevent international orders shipped to a third party within the U.S. It has been reported that Canon Canada is considering a similar program, but that is not confirmed yet. If you are outside the United States, I would check with your Canon National Sales Office.

 

[peskaa]

But, as a photographer in hibernation, there are some things I don't like about (most/all) point-and-shoot and many compact DSLR cameras:

1) I need fast, easy manual focus. Like an old Nikon SLR.
2) I need fast, easy (ie quick knob, not a menu) aperture/shutter priority or manual exposure setting. Like an old Nikon SLR.
3) I need the picture to be taken ASAP after I press the shutter button. Some digital cameras have a big delay before and after pressing the shutter - far worse than a manual SLR. What is that about?!
4) I like to take some action sports photos. Fast Ektachrome anyone? So, I want a fast digital sensor.

I can't afford Canon or Nikon's best full-size DSLR's right now-- but, do any of the listed compact/regular DSLR's above come close(r)?

1) Err, put the old lens on the new dSLR. Works fine, exactly the same focusing. Not sure what you were expecting here in regards to manual focus? Even the new lenses still have manual focus rings.

2) The lower end dSLRs have one settings wheel, and then the mode dial. So it's easy enough to set the camera to aperture priority and shift the aperture value without looking. The more expensive dSLRs have two wheels, so you can change shutter and aperture at the same time when shooting manual.

3) All dSLRs these days shoot exactly the same speeds as film. Shutter lag is only an issue with compact cameras.

4) dSLRs go way, way, way past film ISO speeds. Even the entry level bodies can be used at ISO 1600.


From your comments I'd hazard a guess you've not actually handled a dSLR in the last 4 years? They really started improving after Canon released the 300D way back in 2003. My suggestion would be go and try one.

 

[xStep]

My bad, here is more info copy/paste from POTN

The quoted links to Canon are broken.

 

[luminosity]

4) dSLRs go way, way, way past film ISO speeds. Even the entry level bodies can be used at ISO 1600.


Delta 3200 is a great film, particularly if you know how to use it.

 

[thederby]

4) dSLRs go way, way, way past film ISO speeds. Even the entry level bodies can be used at ISO 1600.


Delta 3200 is a great film, particularly if you know how to use it.

interesting fact:

The 'Delta 3200' product is not actually rated at ISO 3200/36°. Its speed is only ISO 1000/31° but it has a very wide exposure latitude.

http://www.ilfordphoto.com/Webfiles/201071394723115.pdf

DELTA 3200 Professional has an ISO speed rating of ISO 1000/31o (1000ASA, 31DIN) to daylight. The ISO speed rating was measured using ILFORD ID-11 developer at 20°C/68oF with intermittent agitation in a spiral tank.

 

[luminosity]

interesting fact:

The 'Delta 3200' product is not actually rated at ISO 3200/36°. Its speed is only ISO 1000/31° but it has a very wide exposure latitude.

http://www.ilfordphoto.com/Webfiles/201071394723115.pdf

DELTA 3200 Professional has an ISO speed rating of ISO 1000/31o (1000ASA, 31DIN) to daylight. The ISO speed rating was measured using ILFORD ID-11 developer at 20°C/68oF with intermittent agitation in a spiral tank.

Very true.

If you don't tell a lab differently, they will process it at 3200.

 

[peskaa]

4) dSLRs go way, way, way past film ISO speeds. Even the entry level bodies can be used at ISO 1600.


Delta 3200 is a great film, particularly if you know how to use it.

Oh I know, I have about 20 rolls of it in my fridge. However as already pointed out, it isn't a true 3200 ISO film. Ilford Delta is my favourite film by miles (400 is my all out top choice), but the simple fact is that dSLRs are far superior in ISO terms now, especially as they're colour and not just black and white.

 

[OreoCookie]

Oh I know, I have about 20 rolls of it in my fridge. However as already pointed out, it isn't a true 3200 ISO film. Ilford Delta is my favourite film by miles (400 is my all out top choice), but the simple fact is that dSLRs are far superior in ISO terms now, especially as they're colour and not just black and white.

Although I must say that in many cases, film grain (especially of high ISO films) is used as a stylistic asset than a burden.

 

[peskaa]

Although I must say that in many cases, film grain (especially of high ISO films) is used as a stylistic asset than a burden.

Yep, agree totally. Hence I use Delta 400, as I like its grain structure more than other makes.

 

[luminosity]

Did someone say Delta 400?

N80+24-70 on Delta 400.