Carbon copy or use TM?

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  1. lukester macrumors 6502

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    Im thinking I want to get another HD so I can run photo jobs on it since my MacBook hd is getting filled up.
    So I want to back up both, can't do it with TM,,

    Carbon copy?
     
  2. chrfr macrumors 604

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    You definitely can back up multiple disks on a computer with Time Machine.
     
  3. lukester thread starter macrumors 6502

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    is carbon copy better since you get a bootable drive with it?
     
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  5. chrfr macrumors 604

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    Not necessarily better, but different. There's a place for both. I like Time Machine because it runs unobtrusively and automatically but there can be a use for a bootable clone as well.
     
  6. Dave Braine macrumors 68040

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    You can boot from a CCC clone, so I use both. TM for retrieving deleted stuff and CCC for a clone incase my HD packs up.
     
  7. MacDawg macrumors Core

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    I use both as well
    CCC for a bootable clone to get back running immediately
    TM for incremental backups and file restores

    My wife's MBA took a dump 3 days ago and lost the SSD
    I was able to boot from the attached clone, reformat the internal SSD and clone back
    Process was a painless as possible and took minimal down time
     
  8. GGJstudios macrumors Westmere

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    I prefer CCC because a bootable drive gets you back up and running in less than a minute, while TM is a much longer process.
     
  9. BasicGreatGuy, Oct 26, 2018
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    I use CCC as my main backup product. I have two different external drives I use for CCC. I also manually backup with Time Machine once a week. In addition, I use Backblaze to backup my iMac and all my attached drives.
     
  10. HDFan macrumors 65816

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    You want to use this as a production disk as well as a backup disk? Or you want to backup both disks to another disk? TM will backup multiple disks (or folders on different disks) to a dedicated backup disk. CCC is the same but is pretty much single disk source per task.

    Time Machine is convenient and easy to use, but because of its complex structure (all of those links) it is subject to corruption. I have lost multiple TM backups. Don't forget the golden rule of 3 different backups on 3 different sources stored at 3 different locations.
     
  11. maflynn Moderator

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    I like to use both tbh. I found CCC to be superior at full system backup and TM file restores
     
  12. dwig macrumors 6502a

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    One my big iMac at work (production studio for an art photographer), I keep 3 sets of backups:
    • TM - backs up all drives, internal and external, for recovery of individual files or folders that have been deleted or overwritten with incorrect data, etc.
    • Clone - CCC or SuperDuper (I currently use the latter) of the internal boot drive only, for quick recovery should the boot drive fail. I clone monthly and keep 1-2 earlier clones as well.
    • Full copy of externals - Full copies of the external drives, done monthly. I have two sets so that when I erase one drive set to make the new copy I still have the previous months set untouched.

    The more minor machines get less attention. The 2 print servers merely get a clone monthly, with 1-2 early clones kept, generally on a large (4tb+) that has multiple partitions sized to match the size of the server's HD.
     
  13. lukester thread starter macrumors 6502

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    Thanks for the input... I use Parallels with a bootcamp partition for windows 7. I have not had backups for it,, duh!
    I found out parallels has a built in program to backup the entire HD with the VM using Acronis which does the same thing as TM except it includes the entire HD, no need for separate backups.
    Its only $39 for the program.. not sure it it makes a bootable drive or not..
    What format should be use now with Mojave, which I just upgraded to?
     
  14. duddleyduddley macrumors newbie

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    Two different solutions for the same problem.
    Both do backups and restores
    Both have their place


    CCC
    + much faster (backing up & restoring
    + exact copy of drive
    + very useful if drive dies: fast & efficient way of getting everything back as you had it
    - costs money

    TIME MACHINE
    + free
    + takes an eternity (see note below)
    + easy (set & forget)
    + HUGE ADVANTAGE is that its very easy (with Migration Assistant) to choose what you want to copy (very helpful if part of your config is malfunctioning & just want to rescue Documents, Movies, Pictures etc)

    Side note: you can use this Terminal command to speed up backups "sudo sysctl debug.lowpri_throttle_enabled=0" (WITHOUT " marks) but that's "lost" each time you restart. Follow this article for "permanent" turbo charged TM backups www.mackungfu.org/massively-speed-up-time-capsule-time-machine-backups
     
  15. lukester thread starter macrumors 6502

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    I just reformatted my TM drive and I am using Acronis in conjunction with Parallels.. So far so good,, it asked if I wanted to add a boot up drive along with the entire drive backup,, awesome,, Finally a one solution for back up which includes my bootcamp and windows partition.. well worth the $39.. I tired Winclone and could not back it up, forget it.. lots of people have problems with that one.
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    Nothing is ever easy.. trying to back up using acronis and it crashes, errors? no problem creating the boot up partition, but the Data portion is crashing after a while.
     
  16. Partron22 macrumors 68020

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    I use SuperDuper!
    Time machine has a regular habit of going wrong for me.
    I use it for its hour by hour BU's, but would not ever trust it as my sole backup utility.
     
  17. RumorConsumer macrumors 6502a

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    Im super impressed with CCC. Long time user and person who has used many solutions and CCC is a fantastic tool. For my "no thought" backup solution though nothing beats TM.
     
  18. lukester thread starter macrumors 6502

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    OK OK.. I had trouble when enabling the permisions. Once I figured it out, I am backing up the drive now..
    if all else fails, read the instructions
     
  19. CTHarrryH macrumors 68000

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    i have successfully used TM for years with several machines. I have restored from it also successfully.
    This week my TM backups failed with a non-helpful error. I ran disk utility on my MBA and external drive - no problems found. I bought a new external drive - still didn't work. Backups were failing at the same point so I suspected a bad file but TM didn't provide me any info. Apple support wasn't much help.
    So I installed the trial version of CCC. It completed and told me it had errors with several files (belonging to the same app). So I deleted those files and my TM backups worked again.
    So that is points for CCC so I will continue to use through out trial and then decide. Apple needs to change TM so when it has errors it tells you where the bad files are and skips those files and continues.
     
  20. neutrino23 macrumors 68000

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    I use TM and BackBlaze. BackBlaze backs up the main drive and attached drives over the internet. No matter what happens at home you have a copy. You can restore over the internet or they will send you a drive. 5 bucks a month.
     
  21. lukester, Oct 29, 2018
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    I got Acronis working fine and found out it compresses the backup so there is no way you can restore individual folders like TM.. However it does copy the entire drive with Bootcamp/windows which is nice.
    I wish CCC would do the entire drive too, why can't they do it?
    I suppose I could do TM for the mac side and Acronis for the entire drive. I tried my older version of Winclone and I got an error, it didn't work.. So I would probably need to buy the upgrade for that and for my older version of CCC.
    The convenience of having just the one back up for the entire drive is really nice and plus it takes up less room and does incremental backups too. However not sure how it does at restoring the drive?
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    I just found this Backup Software.. Looks good, Paragon??? What do you think?

    https://www.paragon-software.com/home/hdm-mac/

    Just read more info,, it does not support APFS files yet, working on it.. a deal breaker for now.
     
  22. lukester thread starter macrumors 6502

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    I decided not use Acronis.. I am going with CCC and Winclone so I just bought the updated versions.
    I formatted my 1 tB drive with 2 partitions 1 for CCC and the other for windows, Winclone using EXFAT.
    I just finished making images of both partitions on my MacBook. I see that they both compress the data? My OS HD is normally around 380 gigs and CCC compressed it to about 240 gigs, is that right??? Not sure it got everything?
     
  23. bigfatipod macrumors regular

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    I'd go with both TM and CCC. I've twice seen TM copies not be usable. Although this goes back several iterations of Mac OS, it's always left me second guessing having a single back up method.
     
  24. lukester thread starter macrumors 6502

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    Is the saved image, the backup, smaller than the original?
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    I found out that I have 183GB of hidden space available on the my HD and CCC does not copy that over..No need to
     

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