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miamialley

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Just what it says. How will you be able to valet your car if you only have CarKey and no physical key? Obviously, I wouldn’t want to leave a key in the car for this purpose.
 

BruiserB

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Surely the valet parking attendant isn't gonna want to have 50 temporary car keys in his wallet even if he has an iPhone. Most likely the car companies will still provide some sort of "valet key" as a physical key that can be handed off to a parking attendant.
 

hovscorpion12

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You will still most likely get a set of physical keys, but the main focus will be on Apple Carkey.
 

CTHarrryH

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Yeah, I'm pretty sure when you buy a new car it is still going to come with physical keys! I think folks are over thinking this.
I would think so but then you'd think that new phones would have complete power supply blocks.

Sorry but I really just don't see this capability. I can lock /unlock start etc. my car from an app on my phone and don't need to be that near the car. I leave my key in my pocket and lock /unlock start run my car also. Just don't see a big advantage of this
 

BeatCrazy

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Works like this for Tesla... there is a credit card looking "key" that I keep in my wallet. In my car, I have a little clear badge holder with my car model/color/license plate info on it, so the valet can hang it up with the other traditional keys inside their lockbox.
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BruiserB

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I would think so but then you'd think that new phones would have complete power supply blocks.

Sorry but I really just don't see this capability. I can lock /unlock start etc. my car from an app on my phone and don't need to be that near the car. I leave my key in my pocket and lock /unlock start run my car also. Just don't see a big advantage of this

The key is just one extra thing to carry on a daily basis. And most of the modern keys are quite bulky because they contain all of the electronics and RFID circuitry. I've been trying to pair down my keychain as well as my physical wallet and would love to not have to carry a car key. I already have an August lock on my door. I can call myself from my building security system to let me in without my building access fob (and I believe it's already being tested to have phones replace fobs). So I'm getting close to not carrying a keychain. It won't happen overnight, but there is progress. Just need a digital driver's license and I really wouldn't need to carry my wallet any more either.
 

miamialley

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Seek and ye shall find...

So....when you know you are going somewhere (like a restaurant) that has valet parking, you can't just throw your car key in your pocket?
Shhhh, don’t use common sense here! 🤣

Wow, you guys are kind of obnoxious. I don't know where you live, but it's not possible to predict every single occasion where I might be forced to valet my car (which I hate doing). And yes, I saw that you can share you key via CarPlay, but that can be problematic if the valet doesn't have a compatible device.
 

compwiz1202

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Wow, you guys are kind of obnoxious. I don't know where you live, but it's not possible to predict every single occasion where I might be forced to valet my car (which I hate doing). And yes, I saw that you can share you key via CarPlay, but that can be problematic if the valet doesn't have a compatible device.
Yea there's a few issues with valet:

1. No compatible device
2. How many keys can a valet store, and will it be easy to find the key they need when it is time to return the car?
3. I wonder if you can put any user notes with the keys like which space the car is in
 
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miamialley

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Works like this for Tesla... there is a credit card looking "key" that I keep in my wallet. In my car, I have a little clear badge holder with my car model/color/license plate info on it, so the valet can hang it up with the other traditional keys inside their lockbox. View attachment 931618
Interesting, though I'd rather not have another thing in my wallet. I'm pretty minimalist. Debit card, credit card, ID a few bills. That's it.
 
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BeatCrazy

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Interesting, though I'd rather not have another thing in my wallet. I'm pretty minimalist. Debit card, credit card, ID a few bills. That's it.

Understood, I strive for ultimate minimalism myself. The extra "card" for the key functionality is really not that bad (compared to a real key), considering I don't even need my phone to unlock/drive my car - there's an Apple Watch app (LTE) for that! I literally no longer carry a keychain, and could leave the wallet behind in a pinch and just walk out the door as long as I'm wearing my watch.

No keys, no phone, just Apple Watch. All I need for a quick trip to Trader Joe's or anyplace else that takes ApplePay.
 
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miamialley

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Understood, I strive for ultimate minimalism myself. The extra "card" for the key functionality is really not that bad (compared to a real key), considering I don't even need my phone to unlock/drive my car - there's an Apple Watch app (LTE) for that! I literally no longer carry a keychain, and could leave the wallet behind in a pinch and just walk out the door as long as I'm wearing my watch.

No keys, no phone, just Apple Watch. All I need for a quick trip to Trader Joe's or anyplace else that takes ApplePay.

Don't you need a driver's license though?

Just give him your phone. Problem solved.
Lolz.
 
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TravelsInBlue

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Carkey is the latest example of a solution in search of a problem.

We solved keys with fobs. You don’t need to even pull them out of your pocket; hand on handle to unlock, push button to start, etc.

Its easy to hand off, and if it dies, each car has a backup method of unlocking and starting.

Relying on a phone creates more inconvenience and adds more points of failure to a pretty well established model.
 
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miamialley

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Carkey is the latest example of a solution in search of a problem.

We solved keys with fobs. You don’t need to even pull them out of your pocket; hand on handle to unlock, push button to start, etc.

Its easy to hand off, and if it dies, each car has a backup method of unlocking and starting.

Relying on a phone creates more inconvenience and adds more points of failure to a pretty well established model.
But if it works at least AS reliably as a physical key, what’s the downside? One less thing to carry/have on you.
 
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CTHarrryH

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But if it works at least AS reliably as a physical key, what’s the downside? One less thing to carry/have on you.
But if it works as reliably as ApplePay - then it would be an issue. I find ApplePay works first time maybe 75% of time - otherwise several attempts needed.
Wonder if car manufactures will charge or make this an option.

Also, I live in Maine, so in winter i will have to "unwrap" to get to my phone and then use it. Now with face masks adds another issue with activate and have to press code which isn't easy in gloves.

Time will tell and we will see
 
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bradbomb

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Carkey is the latest example of a solution in search of a problem.

We solved keys with fobs. You don’t need to even pull them out of your pocket; hand on handle to unlock, push button to start, etc.

Its easy to hand off, and if it dies, each car has a backup method of unlocking and starting.

Relying on a phone creates more inconvenience and adds more points of failure to a pretty well established model.

I'd disagree. I've had a Tesla Model 3 now for 2 years and the lack of a FOB or key has been great. One less thing to lose track of or carry. The secondary key being a card that fits in my wallet makes it easy if I ever valet. For me, the phone as key with Tesla always worked and unlike CarKey (currently), my phone stays in my pocket at all times and I can just enter my car and go. No need to put the phone anywhere.

It was a problem I didn't know I had and know now I wouldn't want to go back to a physical key for my car.
 
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