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I have to admit, his quote is priceless:

"...they've got too much money on their balance sheet."

Really? Yeah, there's really something wrong with a company when it earns too much money!

Ignoring all the investor drama for a second, he is right. Money that isn't moving is money that isn't working. It's better to have your earnings invested towards making more earnings, rather than sitting around doing absolutely nothing but looking pretty.
 
As looong time shareholder...

I want Apple to use the money as makes sense to invest in their business (for example dropping billions into new capabilities like sapphire, additional US manufacturing, additional green-ification, large pre-purchase of capacity from vendors, purchasing technologies and/or teams as needed, etc.). If they are bringing in more money then they can spend with a reasonably substantial buffer then I would't turn down the idea of upping buyback and/or dividends to return some cash to investors.

At the moment I am fine with a fat buffer north of 100 billion (also considering tax implications of move that cash around, good chunk is overseas). I don't really support what Carl is pushing for (to me Apple is managing its cash well).

(...of course I am one that thinks corporations shouldn't pay income taxes or provide health care (proper taxes sure), taxes should fall on consumers (sales tax/vat) and employees (income tax), health care should be a personal / family thing, and profit should flow freely into new business directions, increased employee compensation, and out to share holders ... if corporate taxes change and overseas cash can move more freely then yeah I would encourage them to lower the buffer below 100 billion, say 50 billion range)
 
Does anyone really think this guy gives a crap about Apple? I wish Tim Cook would never have given him the time of day.
 
here's two words for you.

****. OFF.

Yours sincerely,
Disgruntled Apple Shareholder

As an AAPL investor myself, I will cast my vote for increased buyback and would refrain from calling people names just because I disagree with them or they are richer.
Steve Jobs paranoia has limits. If Apple has no better idea how to use so much money they owe us our share of their/our success.
 
We need to let iCahn (note: spelling) talk and Timmy work.

We wouldn't be at 565 without Carl and what Timmy did with the 5S and iPad Air has so far been successful. We know there is a watch and TV in the pipeline as well. China Mobile seems imminent and looks like it is getting priced in.

Investors just need to be patient (as all investments take time). Apple has good short-term momentum (thank you Carl) and good long-term revenue generators (thank you Tim and Steve).

So! Keep talking Carl and keep working Tim.

Signed,

One very happy investor.
 
I find it funny how this guy has the audacity to think he should have any control in Apples finacial descions. The word "investor" is not a job position my friend. Just because you invest a large sum of your money into a company, does not mean you gain any more control in what the company does or not do.

Actually, thats exactly what having shares of stock in a company means. That is why there are shareholder meetings and votes. Every share counts as 1 vote, you own 51% of the shares, you win every single decision put to vote. So, yes, by buying $2B worth of stock in Apple, he did technically "gain more control in what the company does or [does] not do."
 
As an AAPL investor myself, I will cast my vote for increased buyback and would refrain from calling people names just because I disagree with them or they are richer.
Steve Jobs paranoia has limits. If Apple has no better idea how to use so much money they owe us our share of their/our success.

They don't owe you anything.
 
As an Apple shareholder I would like Apple to be more active in the share buyback, so I would support the motion.

Same here. And perhaps he finally summed it up most appropriately, Apple IS NOT a bank... any company should have a giant cash reserve if they're able to. However, Apple has taken that to a whole new level.

I would also support another big dividend in lieu of this, though.
 
He's no different than any other shareholder. You guys get way too upset over his "greed" while ignoring the fact that every shareholder of every company wants exactly the same thing.

Okay, maybe in Apple's case there's a lot more fanboys who own stock because they love Apple and don't care at all what the stock price is. Those types may be more prevalent on forums like this, but they're definitely not in the majority and they're not good shareholders because their lack of interest in profit hurts what is fundamentally a profit-making venture.

It's not like Icahn is a major shareholder, either. His stake in the company, while large in absolute terms, is tiny in relative terms. He's not going to be listened to by the board of directors or anyone else at Apple any more than any other active shareholder. Nor is his proposal binding. He literally has no power except to talk. If anything, his proprosal shows that he's made no headway through any of his prior attempts at getting Apple management to change their minds about current policy. For those concerned about his influence, this proposal merely demonstrates that he has none.

If he were to dump his stock suddenly, the price might take a slight dip, and then other investors would eagerly buy up the shares again because, as AAPL has been for quite some time, they'd be undervalued on the market. He can't cause a crash. He can't cause anything. Apple is much too big a company for him to hurt in any way.

That all said, he's completely right that AAPL is undervalued, and Apple should be doing buybacks with their cash. They don't seem to be able to spend it quickly enough on their own since it's just piling up, and a buyback would, among other things, increase shareholder value. Note that this doesn't increase just Icahn's shareholder value, but everybody's (except those who sold their shares back to Apple, of course). It will increase demand for the stock because earnings will be spread over fewer stock, and the stock price will go up. Apple will be in a stronger position going forward because they can probably buy the stock back with debt, rather than their cash reserves, as they did with their recent dividend payouts, which had some significant tax advantages. Apple will also be able to raise capital more easily in the future should they have a need. Whether Apple's existing plans are good enough, or Icahn's plan is better, it's up to Apple shareholders to decide, and act accordingly. For now, though, it's in Apple's hands to act on shareholder sentiment or not. If the shareholders don't think Apple is doing a good job, they can vote out the board, or simply sell their shares which will cause a far greater drop in price than Icahn ever could do alone.

Right now much of Apple's cash reserves are doing absolutely nothing for Apple the company or Apple's shareholders. It certainly won't make anything worse giving back more of that money to shareholders, and it will give Apple's shareholders the opportunity to spend that money in other ways. It is the point of corporations to make money for their shareholders.

So, if you find yourself having an opinion on this, you probably fall into one of three categories. Let me address you all accordingly.

If you're a shareholder who's interested in money, Icahn's proposal is worthy of serious thought. Whatever your opinion, it's perfectly valid, and you should act in your own best interests.

If you're a shareholder who's interested in Apple's products, not in money, please sell your shares to somebody who actually cares about money. You are a bad investor.

If you are not a shareholder, nobody cares what you think. Please go away.
 
As an AAPL investor myself, I will cast my vote for increased buyback and would refrain from calling people names just because I disagree with them or they are richer.
Steve Jobs paranoia has limits. If Apple has no better idea how to use so much money they owe us our share of their/our success.

The buyback is fine for now, but with this price growth I do believe it is time to up the dividend back into the 3% range.
 
Does anyone really think this guy gives a crap about Apple? I wish Tim Cook would never have given him the time of day.

You're right... nobody thinks that he gives a **** about Apple. He's an investor, he cares about where his money is parked, and what is happening with it. I don't think even he has tried to make people think he "cares" about Apple anymore than he should as an active investor. Icahn buys in big, pushes for improvements, and cashes out. That's his M.O.
 
They don't owe you anything.

Actually they do.
Shareholders own the company and should be rewarded for risk on investment.
If AAPL don't like it they should do what Dell did and go private.
Until then it's their obligation to listen.
I guess you have no idea what you are talking about.
 
I find it funny how this guy has the audacity to think he should have any control in Apples finacial descions. The word "investor" is not a job position my friend. Just because you invest a large sum of your money into a company, does not mean you gain any more control in what the company does or not do.

Uh, no, that's pretty much exactly what it means.

Not to say that this guy owns enough of Apple to matter. I'm not talking about this situation. But in general (and "in general" is how you're speaking) that's the way it works.
 
Apple should be spending it's money on researching new technologies, not just hoarding it for its megamillionaire shareholders. They only had like $40B after the whole time Jobs was there and now Tim Cook the beancounter siphoned off another 70-80B in just two years? And all he's doing is churning out boring and predictable iterations of Jobs' iPhone and iPad? No wonder Apple's market share is plummeting, their CEO couldn't innovate his way out of a closet.

That's a very bold statement. :eek:
 
Apple isn't a bank and Icahn isn't a creator. Sure, investors allow businesses to do things they wouldn't be able to do, but they can also become leeches.

This guy has no interest in Apple's future. He wants his payout as soon as possible. Only companies on the way out agree to let people raid the cash box.

Right now Apple has $500 billion in market capital. Other than buying businesses outright and securing their supply line, do you know what else half a trillion dollars buys? Long term stability.
 
Actually they do.
Shareholders own the company and should be rewarded for risk on investment.
If AAPL don't like it they should do what Dell did and go private.
Until then it's their obligation to listen.
I guess you have no idea what you are talking about.

No, they are obligated to continue to make the highest possible value for the shareholders. That's it. They know a lot better about making money than you, or even Carl. Neither of you have ever run a business.

I guess you have no clue what you're talking about.

They don't need to listen to every short sighted idiot, nor should they.
 
I'm not a shareholder, but apple seems like an investor's worst nightmare. They are a secretive company. As an investor this is weird because you don't know what your company is doing. And just like Steve Jobs tried to ignore his wealth, I get the feeling Apple as a company tries to do the same thing. Their cash pile is enormous, but they pretend it's not there. It's funny how apple is secretive and not predictable yet the most valuable company in the world.
 
As an Apple shareholder I would like Apple to be more active in the share buyback, so I would support the motion.

We're not the proxies he is after, but I support it as well.

Who doesn't despise this load of crap?

Shareholders.

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Just look at that smug face. I have nothing at all invested in any of this, but that man pisses me off, and I want to poke him in the eye. I think if you get rich enough, at best you ought to use the wealth in good ways like Bill Gates, or at worst go buy an island and quit dicking around with the system.

Here I was going to predict that someone would pop up in the first page of comments and say that Carl Icahn should shut up because he's ugly and his mother dresses him funny. Seems I am already too late.
 
"I'm not against the management of this company. But they've got too much money on their balance sheet"

This is a hilarious quote out of context. Heck maybe even IN context!
 
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