CDMA Simultaneous Voice and Data

[Goldinboy17]

Will LTE provide simutaneous voice/data?

What bout Att future?

LTE 4G does support simultaneous voice and data usage. I'm actually contemplating switching over to them a little. I used to be an ardent AT&T supporter but they've truly oversold their network here in the San Francisco Bay area. I get speeds of about 40KBPS at my home, I literlly can't make a single five minute call without it dropping.

 

[SteinMaster]

I use it all the time. As an example, I was traveling to an area that readily sells a type of spice used in Pho. My wife wanted me to purchase a certain type. I went to the store, called her on my wonderful iPhone, took pictures and emailed her the photos of various products. When I emailed her the right one, she confirmed it over the phone. I am always looking up crap on my Dropbox account as I am talking with someone (business).

 

[SteinMaster]

LTE 4G does support simultaneous voice and data usage. I'm actually contemplating switching over to them a little. I used to be an ardent AT&T supporter but they've truly oversold their network here in the San Francisco Bay area. I get speeds of about 40KBPS at my home, I literlly can't make a single five minute call without it dropping.

Fortunately I live in a mid-size US city where there is not a lot of demand on the AT&T network. I traveled to San Jose two weeks ago and noticed a significant degradation in my service. I was surprised how much slower my iPhone operated. Calls were dropping and I was regularly only getting half of my signal strength bars.

 

[hcho3]

LTE 4G does support simultaneous voice and data usage. I'm actually contemplating switching over to them a little. I used to be an ardent AT&T supporter but they've truly oversold their network here in the San Francisco Bay area. I get speeds of about 40KBPS at my home, I literlly can't make a single five minute call without it dropping.

Yep, that is exactly what the issue is. AT&T has been getting rapid growth in customers, but their network cannot handle it. I get 5 MBPS at my home here in Maryland, but I get less than 80KBPS at WASHINGTON DC. There is something wrong here. I am seriously going to consider switching if AT&T doesn't fix this in near future.

 

[Mliii]

I don't understand why people argue over this. If it's something you need then you'll want to stick with AT&T. If this is a feature you won't miss then you have the option of moving to Verizon if you want. It's not rocket science.

+1 big time! And I feel this way about a number of features. Lately, I've been struck by the number of posts here on MR that go into this lengthy tirade about 'I never use x feature, therefore it's worthless'. That's great- if you don't need to use a feature, you're not being forced to. That doesn't delegitimize the need others may have for whatever the feature is.
OT true story, I once had a client who argued with his wife at a dinner I took them both to about the virtues of chocolate cake vs vanilla cake. She told him she preferred vanilla because it tasted better. He told her 'well, you're just wrong'. He was dead serious. We seem to be getting a lot more people who think those who use features they don't need are just wrong...

 

[Geckotek]

It was a rumor that I heard long time ago. We will find out more at CES 2011. However, I seriously doubt they will do both DATA and Voice at the same time on CDMA network. It will be a lot of investment and Verizon is moving on with their network to LTE.

After everything you've read here you still think it's a lot of investment? SVDO is a device update, not a switch update. The device accesses EVDO for data and 1xRTT for voice. Since both of these radios are still in all the towers, instant voice+data. All that's needed is for Apple to implement it in the iPhone.

http://www.evdoinfo.com/content/view/2861/64/

A complementary device enhancement known as simultaneous 1X Voice and EV-DO Data (SVDO) will also become available during the same timeframe and will enable CDMA2000 devices to access EV-DO packet data services while in an active 1X circuit-switch voice call. For example, users will be able to send emails or access the Web while on voice calls; phones with GPS can update maps or download real-time traffic information while on voice calls, etc. This device enhancement, which enables these concurrent voice and data services, is independent of the air link standard and infrastructure.

HOWEVER, I found a Verizon document stating that they are currently testing VoRA (VOIP over Rev A) so it's more likely we will see that as the iPhone solution.

You never know how important is it until you lose it. Average person would not know what the hell does GSM means or CDMA means.

Using Voice and Data at the same time is very important for me since I use my phone as business from time to time.

I will be surprised if verizon invests too much more money on CDMA. They will focus on LTE.

Get ready to be surprised....or perhaps the updates were cheap? To get the iPhone, I'm sure Verizon was willing to invest in the existing network. Especially if the rumors are true about exclusivity (no Sprint or T-Mobile). Although I'm not putting down any money on that rumor.

Will LTE provide simutaneous voice/data?

What bout Att future?

NO, LTE does NOT provide simultaneous voice/data....yet. It is only a data protocol as of now. The ability to support IP voice is in the works and will be released with a later update. However, no standard has been settled on for VoLTE (voice over LTE).

Yes, LTE is a GSM standard. AT&T uses GSM Already and it can do this. AT&T is also going LTE in Q2 2011. Verizon has already rolled out LTE network on 38 markets, but that's nothing compare to their CDMA coverage that covers over 280 markets. Personally, I hope Verizon doesn't dwell in CDMA and move on LTE. While I understand some people want iPhone to go to Verizon asap, Verizon is just as nervous as any other carriers about carrying iPhone because all of us can kill their network instantly. I have seen iPhone users use as much as 50GB data a month.

Once again, NO, it does not. Being that is came from the GSM Association means that may be a priority, but it doesn't make it a given on launch. Odd thought process there. WCDMA will continue to be AT&T's voice solution until VoLTE is settled...which last words were a projection of 2013 IF a standard can be agreed upon.

LTE 4G does support simultaneous voice and data usage. I'm actually contemplating switching over to them a little. I used to be an ardent AT&T supporter but they've truly oversold their network here in the San Francisco Bay area. I get speeds of about 40KBPS at my home, I literlly can't make a single five minute call without it dropping.

One last time, NO, LTE does NOT support simultaneous voice and data because it only carries data at this time. Voice will be run on WCDMA/CDMA in the meantime.

I use it all the time. As an example, I was traveling to an area that readily sells a type of spice used in Pho. My wife wanted me to purchase a certain type. I went to the store, called her on my wonderful iPhone, took pictures and emailed her the photos of various products. When I emailed her the right one, she confirmed it over the phone. I am always looking up crap on my Dropbox account as I am talking with someone (business).

Star Anise? I used to have to eat Pho at least once a week or I was a very unhappy man. Lost my craving though. Seems it's harder to find good Pho these days. Tons of places opened, but quality went down.

Edit: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N4Kjq4sGO44
(warning...some ppl find offensive...I find it funny as he##)

 

[SAD*FACED*CLOWN]

Who cares, who ever uses data and voice simultaneously anyway?

while I'm on the phone with my gal and she starts babbling...i like to read mac rumors, or browse the app store or iTunes

 

[Phil A.]

It may be more of an issue than people seem to think: I don't know about Verizon's implementation but on GSM with Edge (i.e. like the original iPhone had), it was a real pain: for example, if your phone is busy collecting mail or downloading from an internet site, calls will be diverted to voice mail

 

[zephxiii]

Those of you who bash AT&T network so much will see that Verizon doesn't support simultaneous voice and data very soon...
CDMA network always concentrate on Voice first before data. I am not an engineer, but this could be one of the reasons why Verizon has fewer drop calls than AT&T. Also, AT&T has been gaining growth in subscribers faster than any other carriers, so that's another reason why AT&T is getting so many drop calls.

While, I understand and agree with AT&T network has a lot of work to do, I still prefer GSM network over CDMA. I always will and VERIZON won't be ready for true LTE for a quite sometime. They just rolled it out less than 5 days ago.

AT&T network is fine where I live and their network is way faster than Verizon's CDMA network on where I live. Since, I don't live in big cities like Washington DC or NYC. I am going to hold out with AT&T a bit longer. I had terrible experience with Verizon in the past and I am not going to go back because I am getting few drop calls on AT&T.

No, that is not the reason for dropped calls, underbuilt 3g network is the reason.

 

[iceterminal]

Who cares, who ever uses data and voice simultaneously anyway?

Hell I do. And most of the iPhone users I know do as well. While I can appreciate the fact that others may use their devices in ways that I do not, I certainly do not down play or put down those that do. Thats just rude, ignorant, and ill mannered.

 

[Weiser878]

Well, I use MyWi to tether my iPhone to my MacBook and still talk on the phone, so yes, I use voice and data simultaniously all day.


And, OP, no, Verizon's network does not allow you to use voice and data at the same time. It has to do with the way CDMA technology handles the signals.
When there's a LTE network, then the phones should be able to do both

 

[Geckotek]

It may be more of an issue than people seem to think: I don't know about Verizon's implementation but on GSM with Edge (i.e. like the original iPhone had), it was a real pain: for example, if your phone is busy collecting mail or downloading from an internet site, calls will be diverted to voice mail

CDMA doesn't work that way. Data is put on hold during the voice call and resumes once the call is complete.

No, that is not the reason for dropped calls, underbuilt 3g network is the reason.

^^THAT^^ and a few other things. People who say it's because AT&T grew so fast, I say AT&T had the money and resources to build out at the same pace...but profits were priority, not QOE.

 

[kdarling]

While I wouldn't say that I use it all of the time, it sure is nice to be able to instead of saying, "I'll look it up and call you right back."

Sure, when 3G is available and it works.

Around my location in the hills, it's nicer to not have to keep saying, "I'm sorry I had to call you back. We got dropped again. I'm on ATT."

Sometimes it's a trade-off between having reliable connections, vs having features. (When I had a Verizon Pixi with its free tethering, I used to have to be the relay point for all my ATT friends when we were inside restaurants.)

Depends on location, of course. ATT users in Florida, for example, seem to have far fewer drop problems, no doubt partly because of the flat terrain.

 

[zephxiii]

I wouldn't just assume AT&T has call dropping problem everywhere, by now it's just a few locations probably.

I made about 2 hours of calls the other night between 9-11:30pm, didn't have a single dropped call (which i never have anyways). The great thing is I was trying to trouble shoot my dad's computer over the phone (who has an iPhone 3gs), and he could take pictures of stuff on the monitor and MMS them to me, all while not having to hang up.

His location, D.C., my location NE Indiana.

 

[mpossoff]

I wouldn't just assume AT&T has call dropping problem everywhere, by now it's just a few locations probably.

I made about 2 hours of calls the other night between 9-11:30pm the other night, didn't have a single dropped call. The great thing is I was trying to trouble shoot my dad's computer over the phone (who has an iPhone 3gs), and he could take pictures of stuff on the monitor and MMS them to me, all while not having to hang up.

His location, D.C., my location NE Indiana.

I can't remember when I dropped a call and I've been with AT&T when it was AT&T then Cingular now AT&T again. We live in Philly.

What is the advantage going to be with LTE and how will it help or not help Verizon.

 

[bid2ask77]

I don't understand why people argue over this. If it's something you need then you'll want to stick with AT&T. If this is a feature you won't miss then you have the option of moving to Verizon if you want. It's not rocket science.

I agree. Well said.

 

[Mochi Hana]

While I wouldn't say that I use it all of the time, it sure is nice to be able to instead of saying, "I'll look it up and call you right back."

Definitely. I've been able to do quick look-ups for people this way. It's really convinent.

 

[Geckotek]

I can't remember when I dropped a call and I've been with AT&T when it was AT&T then Cingular now AT&T again. We live in Philly.

What is the advantage going to be with LTE and how will it help or not help Verizon.

It will help all carriers that choose it as it is the next evolution of wireless technology with many upgrades; the most obvious being speed.

 

[Pink∆Floyd]

I have read a few older articles about being able to do voice and data at the same time. However, I haven't heard anything recently and wanted to know if anyone had any new information or insight. I ask because I feel this would be very important to Apple and to me if they do in fact release a Verizon iPhone.

Apple won't release a Verizon iPhone.

 

[mpossoff]

It will help all carriers that choose it as it is the next evolution of wireless technology with many upgrades; the most obvious being speed.

Will AT&T and Verizon then have the same LTE network similar to AT&T/t-mobile?

Is it true that AT&T is going to better their gsm network instead of this new evolution?

 

[Geckotek]

Will AT&T and Verizon then have the same LTE network similar to AT&T/t-mobile?

Is it true that AT&T is going to better their gsm network instead of this new evolution?

They will both be LTE eventually, we don't know if there will be diffences/incompatibilites yet.

AT&T has stated that they are rolling out HSPA+ first, but will move to LTE after that. They will be a little behind Verizon in rolling out LTE.

 

[tigress666]

Who cares, who ever uses data and voice simultaneously anyway?

I just did today and yesterday.

It's very useful and while I don't use it all the time I'm glad it is capable of doing such.

When your phone also is your pocket assistant, I'd assume you might realize when it's useful too (if you don't have a computer in front of you and need to look something up while talking to some one it's very handy. Means you're not stuck having to be in front of a computer for any call that might need that).

 

[kdarling]

Will AT&T and Verizon then have the same LTE network similar to AT&T/t-mobile?

From what I've read (ABI report here), at first both AT&T and Verizon will sell devices that only work on their particular LTE frequencies.

They have to get back the billions they spent on them somehow.

Smaller carriers have already complained about this lockout, but it looks like it'll be a few years before enough of the world has gone LTE that it would make more sense to support world-mode phones.

 

[rwilliams]

Who cares, who ever uses data and voice simultaneously anyway?

Just because you don't have a use for such a feature doesn't mean that others don't either.

 

[mpossoff]

They will both be LTE eventually, we don't know if there will be diffences/incompatibilites yet.

AT&T has stated that they are rolling out HSPA+ first, but will move to LTE after that. They will be a little behind Verizon in rolling out LTE.

Yeah it looks like ATT will be behind.

Would be nice if it can be set up like Europe where you pick your device first then can choose a carrier.