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No. You are a troll.

You posted in my thread with the sole intention to cause trouble, you even admitted it. That is trolling, plain and simple. Now go away, troll.

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Thanks, I appreciate it, makes me feel like I'm not going crazy here, haha. :)

15 posts and still not a single post about the actual topic of the thread. Good job :cool:
 
You posted in my thread with the sole intention to cause trouble, you even admitted it. That is trolling, plain and simple. Now go away, troll.:

This is not your thread. You merely started it. It belongs to the public forum now, and I would appreciate it if you would stop polluting it. You are the only thing standing in the way of an interesting discussion on cellular Apple laptops. It would be best if you just walked away, or perhaps start a topic in an off-topic discussion area, I don't think this thread is for you.

Now, back on topic... It would be pretty convenient to have cellular laptops, but I don't find pulling a cord out to link my phone too cumbersome. And with my iPhone 6 Plus, it isn't too big of a hit on my battery.

But most of my work is done at home, surrounded by many books. I could definitely see the usefulness of a cellular laptop for people in certain lines of work. For now, however, unless they wish to tether, they may have to go to Windows laptops.
 
This is not your thread. You merely started it. It belongs to the public forum now, and I would appreciate it if you would stop polluting it. You are the only thing standing in the way of an interesting discussion on cellular Apple laptops. It would be best if you just walked away, or perhaps start a topic in an off-topic discussion area, I don't think this thread is for you.

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Now, back on topic... It would be pretty convenient to have cellular laptops, but I don't find pulling a cord out to link my phone too cumbersome. And with my iPhone 6 Plus, it isn't too big of a hit on my battery.

But most of my work is done at home, surrounded by many books. I could definitely see the usefulness of a cellular laptop for people in certain lines of work. For now, however, unless they wish to tether, they may have to go to Windows laptops.

I also thought of another reason why Apple might be reluctant to put cell data access in its laptops.

iOS has provisions to not over-use cell data. Apps can query whether or not they're on wifi and act accordingly. For example, you can't download apps that are larger than 50MB via a cell network, you can't download iOS updates unless you're on wifi, and many apps have settings that will change their behavior depending on if they're on the cell network or wifi.

OS X doesn't have any of this stuff (yet), so if Apple sold a laptop with always-on cell network access, it's almost inevitable that people would accidentally overuse it by a huge margin. If you simply forget to turn off automatic OS updates, you might blow through your monthly cell data budget in half an hour. Customers would be upset and Apple would have to deal with them.

Apple seems eager to merge iOS and OS X paradigms so I wouldn't be surprised if they added this network detection stuff to OS X soon.
 
OS X doesn't have any of this stuff (yet), so if Apple sold a laptop with always-on cell network access, it's almost inevitable that people would accidentally overuse it by a huge margin.
Actually this is very easy to solve. OS X prioritizes connections in the order of the list of connections in the network preferences, and you can reorder the list at will. You'd simply put the cellular connection at the bottom and voila, problem averted.

Besides, the same issue would also affect a tethered connection with an iPhone.
 
Actually this is very easy to solve. OS X prioritizes connections in the order of the list of connections in the network preferences, and you can reorder the list at will. You'd simply put the cellular connection at the bottom and voila, problem averted.

Besides, the same issue would also affect a tethered connection with an iPhone.

Yeah, but the difference is that you have to make a very conscious and deliberate decision to start and stop tethering, so any mishaps are harder to blame on user/customer ignorance.
 
Yeah, but the difference is that you have to make a very conscious and deliberate decision to start and stop tethering, so any mishaps are harder to blame on user/customer ignorance.
Hm, so by omitting this feature Apple is just protecting us from ourselves since it would be too convenient? Being an adult, I think I'd prefer a little less hand-holding. :p
 
Actually this is very easy to solve. OS X prioritizes connections in the order of the list of connections in the network preferences, and you can reorder the list at will. You'd simply put the cellular connection at the bottom and voila, problem averted.

Besides, the same issue would also affect a tethered connection with an iPhone.

That's pretty good. One of my concerns is that I wifi will go out for whatever reason and then I will accidentally be using my cellular data. This happens occasionally to me on my phone and iPad, but it's not such a big deal. I don't ever really download much on those devices. On my laptop, however, that is where I download anything significant.
 
Hm, so by omitting this feature Apple is just protecting us from ourselves since it would be too convenient? Being an adult, I think I'd prefer a little less hand-holding. :p

Well, they'd be doing it to protect some people, but also themselves.

I know a bunch of people who have accidentally watched an entire movie on Netflix using their cell data because they thought they were on wifi and it turns out they weren't, and they blew through their data allotment in a couple hours by accident.

Figure that some percentage of these people will complain to Apple about their own mistake and that means huge customer service costs for Apple in addition to customer dissatisfaction.
 
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I know a bunch of people who have accidentally watched an entire movie on Netflix using their cell data because they thought they were on wifi and it turns out they weren't, and they blew threw their data allotment in a couple hours by accident.
The same can easily happen with a cellular iPad or even an iPhone if you don't consciously set the Netflix app to block streaming over cellular. It didn't keep Apple from building it.

I'd imagine you'd have a notification icon in the menu bar that would display the status of the cellular connection, so you could easily see at any time if it's active and could turn it on/off. I don't think it's a serious problem.
 
Why would I EVER use a cable to connect a computer to a phone? Who does that? If you have that need, you should have a computer with a cellular radio in it.

For starters, you are an ***hole. Motrek and others were just offering simple solutions that already exist and you've done nothing but threat them like crap.

Why is it so hard for you to believe that people plug their phone into their computer and use it as a hotspot from time to time? If It's something quick, I just connect to my phone wirelessly. If I am going to be connected for an extended period of time, I plug it in. This charges and sync's my phone while also providing a stable internet connection. Stop acting like that is so archaic.

Would cellular radio's be a good idea in portable laptops? Of course. I am not denying that. But currently that is not an option. Other users presented alternatives and instead of being civil, you were a douchebag.

Don't open threads just to treat other users like garbage.
 
The same can easily happen with a cellular iPad or even an iPhone if you don't consciously set the Netflix app to block streaming over cellular. It didn't keep Apple from building it.

I'd imagine you'd have a notification icon in the menu bar that would display the status of the cellular connection, so you could easily see at any time if it's active and could turn it on/off. I don't think it's a serious problem.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that Apple shouldn't or won't offer this functionality in laptops. I probably wouldn't pay extra for it myself but I'm sure it would be very useful to a lot of people. I'm just speculating on why they might not have already.

Re: Netflix and similar scenarios: at least with iOS, the Netflix app can detect whether or not its on wifi and display a warning or confirmation dialog if you're about to use hundreds of megabytes of cell data. I don't know if it actually does this but it can. With the current state of OS X, I don't think it's possible for software to tell if its connected via wifi or cell, so it can't even display such a warning.

So maybe Apple wants to get OS X caught up so it can be a good citizen on cell networks before it offers laptops with built-in cell modems. Just speculation though.
 
I'm just curious why these super thin and light Apple laptops don't come with a cellular option? The MB, MBA, and even MBP 13" are made for portability, and everything is becoming cloud-based, so wouldn't it make sense to have a 4G radio inside so you're always connected?

It might be something Apple offers if/when we end up at a stable point for cellular technology. Right now though, it's unlikely. Cellular technology is changing every 6-12 months, with new bands and additions to LTE features being added all the time. Even the iPhone 6/6Plus came out to market without having all of the LTE bands that all carriers use. And if you look at previous-gen models, the situation was even worse.

Meanwhile, the expected lifespan for most laptops is 3-5 years, sometimes even longer, and the base macbook starts at $1400. If you integrate cellular technology into that laptop, then the user is stuck with that technology for as long as they own it... even if it goes out of date or something better comes along in 6 months.

By contrast, cell phones are upgraded every 1-2 years and can cost way less. They're seen as disposable, where laptops aren't. And since the cellular capability is the primary function of the cell phone, then dealing with the rapidly changing tech is viewed as a necessary evil.

As for tablets: They're not seen as disposable as smartphones, but are still "more" disposable and supposedly have shorter lifespans than laptops. So people who are willing to pay money for it take their chances.

They're also looking at the rest of the market: hardly anyone else is making cellular capable laptops. And out of those "laptops" who do have cellular built in, they're actually tablets with keyboards attached... or at best, laptop/tablet hybrids. And, they're not selling nearly as well as Macs are.

Lastly: To be blunt, Apple wants you to buy an iPhone or iPad. The margins are higher, and they make way more money off them than their laptops. In fact, if a person had to choose between buying an iPhone/iPad and buying a MacBook/Air/Pro, from Apple's viewpoint, they'd rather you get the iDevice because it makes them more profit in the end, and makes you more likely to come back sooner for an upgrade... making them even more money in the near future.

Meanwhile, if you're the traveling type that wants mobile data on a laptop, then Apple is betting that it's so important to you, that you're also willing to pay for a smartphone or tablet if that's what it takes to get that functionality. And if a lack of cellular data is going to nudge people to buy an iPhone or iPad to round out their ecosystem along with an Apple laptop, so much the better for Apple. They don't want to give you an excuse to not buy an iDevice, and for people just like you, offering built-in cellular on laptops is exactly the out they want to keep you from having.

You're probably going to look at this post with the same disgust you've given everyone else, so I'm just gonna say it: you want "solutions," but none of us can give you any. We don't build the laptops, and we're not Tim Cook. All we can do is give you reasons why we think this is the case. And we don't even necessarily agree with those reasons, either.

If you wanna vent, vent to Apple about it. Maybe they'll listen. But I'd suggest you give them a little more respect than you've shown here.
 
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Huh.

Battery life and build materials likely affect Apple's decision to add cellular radios to laptops.

That being said, I'm not sure how it's old fashioned to plug in a phone via USB when you're tethering. We still don't have a wireless charging solution, so it's not like this would require an extra cord.
 
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