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CERN LHC (Large Hadron Collider) Goes Live 10th Sept 08

What happens after they've observed these particles after they're produced? Does this thing then start to get less interesting? Is this the next Millennium Dome?

I guess we could just shoot protons at random stars in the sky and hope we hit something. *thumbs up*

Rhosfelt said:
http://www.hasthelhcdestroyedtheearth.com/

I check every two minutes.
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Are we dead yet? No.

*reload*


Still no.

No.


How about now? Um......no.

*yawn*
 
If there will be no new physics out of this or only Higgs will be discovered than probably there will be no more large accelerators built.
 
bemylover said:
If there will be no new physics out of this or only Higgs will be discovered than probably there will be no more large accelerators built.
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Ya think? :rolleyes:

It was a £5bn project over ~20 years. Success or not, they're hardly likely to be building these things in large numbers.
 
edesignuk said:
Ya think? :rolleyes:

It was a £5bn project over ~20 years. Success or not, they're hardly likely to be building these things in large numbers.
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Not in large numbers, just one at a time ;)

Seriously, if this one is a success then there will be a bigger one built in ~20 years. So I'm saying that just finding Higgs particle or not finding anything at all and only improving knowledge of what we already know will not be considered as success. While supersymmetry, extra dimensions, physics beyond Standard Model, all would open up whole new area of physics for research and there surely will be another accelerator after this one.
 
I'm still waiting for the big boon, or the big dud. And they have said something interesting. They didn't send the protons in one step, but in multi inserts or section.
 
If it doesn't find anything, do you think the science community will take a step back and say "Hold on, maybe we have got it all wrong" or will they proclaim a new LHC must be built, that circumnavigates the world :rolleyes:

I really hope they find something to be honest, after all this, for there to be nothing, is a bit of a disappointment.
 
Schtumple said:
If it doesn't find anything, do you think the science community will take a step back and say "Hold on, maybe we have got it all wrong" or will they proclaim a new LHC must be built, that circumnavigates the world :rolleyes:
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The next collider, the International Linear Collider is already being planned. The idea is to collide electrons and their antiparticles, positrons. As the name suggests, this collider is linear as opposed to the circular design of the LHC.
 
cristo said:
The next collider, the International Linear Collider is already being planned. The idea is to collide electrons and their antiparticles, positrons. As the name suggests, this collider is linear as opposed to the circular design of the LHC.
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Oh god...

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Yes, but this synchrotron radiation, which is created by accelerating charged particles, is also an issue for hadrons circling the synchrotron ring. Its just bremsstrahlung.

I understand the concept. I just don't understand why bremsstrahlung is an issue for electron beams circling a ring, but not for the current hadrons, as both are being accelerated to speeds approaching the speed of light. In fact, the electrons require less energy to approach the speed of light, and also emit less energy as bremsstrahlung (i.e. they'll lose less energy as synchrotron radiation than even hadrons, which they don't seem to mind using within a synchrotron right now).
 
Abstract said:
Yes, but this synchrotron radiation, which is created by accelerating charged particles, is also an issue for hadrons circling the synchrotron ring. Its just bremsstrahlung.

I understand the concept. I just don't understand why bremsstrahlung is an issue for electron beams circling a ring, but not for the current hadrons, as both are being accelerated to speeds approaching the speed of light. In fact, the electrons require less energy to approach the speed of light, and also emit less energy as bremsstrahlung (i.e. they'll lose less energy as synchrotron radiation than even hadrons, which they don't seem to mind using within a synchrotron right now).
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Actually they lose more energy due to the Synchrotron radiation, I don't know the exact reason why because I'm going off what I've read, its not like I've done the research myself, but the Synchrotron radiation is a problem for the electrons reaching the desired energy levels (they actually lose more energy to the radiation because of their mass), while it doesn't stop the Hadron. You'd have to dig more than I have to find all the reasons why, but its starts to get complex apparently, I just know the results of the research!

Edit: I know that the less mass something has the more Synchrotron radiation it emits, and due to this they are considering trying to use Muons instead of electrons in a circular design!
 
Think big

Why settle for finding the Standard Model Higgs boson? How much will it cost to build all of the equipment needed to determine and confirm the Theory of Everything? Let's each write a check for our share so we can have the answers in a few weeks.
 
Rhosfelt said:
http://www.hasthelhcdestroyedtheearth.com/

I check every two minutes.
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I finally looked at the source for that page. :D "the first person to ask for an RSS feed gets a free black hole in their junk"
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:D
 
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