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Darmok N Jalad

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Since the speculation of power throttling on iPhones with old batteries has been confirmed by Apple, I'm going to go ahead and change the battery on my 6S. I'm cheap, and I've swapped iPhone batteries before, so I'm doing it myself to save money. I figured I'd start a thread for science and perhaps to help those that might consider doing the same thing. As always, do your own repairs at your own risk. Just thought it would be cool to get some data on the thresholds.

The goal is post your device stats using Coconut Battery, how it benchmarks (reboot, let it rest, then post the best of 3 runs, allowing for cool downs), and then again how it does after the battery swap.

From Coconut Battery:
iPhone 6S (TSMC A9)
Age: 829 days old

Old Battery:
Cycle count: 255
Full charge capacity: 1533 mAh
Battery health: 89%

New Battery:
Cycle Count: 0
Full Charge capacity: 1688 mAh
Battery Health: 98.4%

3Dmark Icestorm:
Baseline 6S: 28051
Old Battery: 17686 (-37%)
New Battery: 28072 (+0.1%)

So even though my old battery was reporting 89% of design capacity, I saw a 37% drop in expected performance, which quite honestly, I could feel in day-to-day use already. The old battery dropped pretty quickly through the day, so that 89% health seems dubious. We'll see how the new battery holds up.

The new battery is a Yontex 0-cycle battery from Amazon. It came with everything I needed to replace the battery, including instructions (which seemed similar to iFixit's guide). They even threw in a new screen protector.

EDIT:
Conclusions:
New battery fixes all. Benchmarks aside, I could tell immediately upon startup that the phone was much more responsive. I'm surprised at how noticeable the improvement is--and to think I blamed iOS11 for my performance problems all this time!

The thing that really surprised me was the 89% health claim of Coconut Battery on the old battery. If this reading is accurate regarding what the phone reports, could this be why people have been getting turned away by Apple regarding replacements despite having issues? Speculation, I guess, but I could see that becoming a big concern if my phone was still under warranty and this report of 90% resulted in a denied repair. It makes me wonder what battery property the phone is using to determine when to throttle. If it's not net capacity--maybe cycle count? Does it drop once it goes below 90%?
 
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i have an X now since launch but previously was using my iPhone 6 since launch day. battery took a crap after iOS 10.x.x (I can't remember). I did a few benchmarks and they were horrible. i ended up swapping out the battery myself from iFixit and it was effortless. went well and would last all day as opposed to only lasting until noon (if that). all around performance before was horrible. everything took forever to open, download. animations were slow. at the time of replacement, coconut battery showed my iPhone 6 had a battery capacity of 404 mAh (22.3%).
 
From Coconut Battery:
iPhone 6S (TSMC A9)
Age: 829 days old
Cycle count: 255
Full charge capacity: 1173 mAh
Battery health: 90%

3Dmark Icestorm:
My phone: 17686
Baseline 6S: 28051
Performance difference: -37%

So even though my battery is 90% of design capacity, I'm seeing a 37% drop in expected performance, which quite honestly, I could feel in day-to-day use already. Battery drops pretty quickly through the day.
I think you looked at the wrong percentage in Coconut Battery. The iPhone 6s has a max capacity of 1715. If your battery maxes out at 1173, then the health should be 68%.

It was probably charged to 90% when you looked at Coco.
 
Maybe just me but I would let Apple replace the battery.

Do not trust 3rd party batteries of questionable capacity
If it's still under warranty (either Applecare, Applecare+, or 3rd party), then I'd let Apple do it. If it's out of warranty, I'm buying a quality 3rd party battery and swapping it myself. $90 at Apple vs. $30+time/sweat is a no brainer for me, especially on a 3 year old phone.

EDIT - I realize that a 6s would be around 2 years old. When I say 3, I'm speaking of my typical situation with my CC extended warranty. I get an additional 2 years on top of Apple standard 1 year. So I wouldn't swap a battery myself until after 3 years.
 
I think you looked at the wrong percentage in Coconut Battery. The iPhone 6s has a max capacity of 1715. If your battery maxes out at 1173, then the health should be 68%.

It was probably charged to 90% when you looked at Coco.

That’s what I thought was odd. It was charged to 75% when I took that reading. 90% has been about what it has said for months now. I wonder if something else is going on with how the phone is reporting capacity? I’ll rerun it again later when it’s charged to 100% and see what it says.

Thanks for the input, I’ll revise OP accordingly.

EDIT:
I think you read my OP wrong. The number I reported was 1533 mAh, which is about 90% of 1715.
 
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Since the speculation of power throttling on iPhones with old batteries has been confirmed by Apple, I'm going to go ahead and change the battery on my 6S. I'm cheap, and I've swapped iPhone batteries before, so I'm doing it myself to save money. I figured I'd start a thread for science and perhaps to help those that might consider doing the same thing.

The goal is post your device stats using Coconut Battery, how it benchmarks (reboot, let it rest, then post the best of 3 runs, allowing for cool downs), and then again how it does after the battery swap.

From Coconut Battery:
iPhone 6S (TSMC A9)
Age: 829 days old
Cycle count: 255
Full charge capacity: 1173 mAh
Battery health: 90% (edit 68%)

3Dmark Icestorm:
My phone: 17686
Baseline 6S: 28051
Performance difference: -37%

So even though my battery is 90% (edit: possible reporting error from CB, 68%) of design capacity, I'm seeing a 37% drop in expected performance, which quite honestly, I could feel in day-to-day use already. Battery drops pretty quickly through the day.

I ordered a Yontex 0-cycle battery from Amazon, which should be shipping shortly. I'll update once the battery swap is done.

Feel free to do the same. As always, do your own repairs at your own risk. Just thought it would be cool to get some data on the thresholds.

How come I can’t find Coconut Battery in the App Store?.. I just used Geekbench 4 and it doesn’t really give the % capacity compared to spec..just a score..(1960-6s+ 1 year old)..
 
It’s not on the App Store and is only available for Mac.

Oh... well I just bought Battery Life on the App Store and it says I have 12% Battery wear on this 6s+.. 2400/2725mAh.. pretty sure the spec on the battery is 2750mAh..so not sure why the discrepancy. Anyway, it says it’s average for this, so I don’t know if I’ll be replacing my battery anytime soon. My Geekbench 4 scores show 2546/4443 for single/multi core.. above spec I think for this phone, so I don’t think I’m having any battery/cpu throttling going on. So Op.. good luck with replacing battery.. I prefer Apple doing it, as this is still under AC+..
 
Oh... well I just bought Battery Life on the App Store and it says I have 12% Battery wear on this 6s+.. 2400/2725mAh.. pretty sure the spec on the battery is 2750mAh..so not sure why the discrepancy. Anyway, it says it’s average for this, so I don’t know if I’ll be replacing my battery anytime soon. My Geekbench 4 scores show 2546/4443 for single/multi core.. above spec I think for this phone, so I don’t think I’m having any battery/cpu throttling going on. So Op.. good luck with replacing battery.. I prefer Apple doing it, as this is still under AC+..
CoconutBattery is the only accurate iOS battery app out there since Apple stopped allowing certain battery info to be accessed by iOS app developers. If you aren’t having issues with your phone, I wouldn’t get too caught up in the numbers. It seems to be driving some forum members to insanity.
 
I changed the battery in my 6S+ almost a month ago now. Battery apps on the phone and CB reported the capacity % fluctuations between 70-86%. Then there were the unexplained battery drainages. One night at work, my battery went from about 70% to 17% and I hadn't used the phone once.

I had a company come out to my house who replaced my battery for $59. It was an Apple original battery. I compared the two before he installed the new one.

Now the performance is amazing once again. I left my 6S+ home a few nights ago after removing it from the charger before I left for work. Came home and the % was still at 100 whereas it would be about 80% before I replaced the battery. I know that Apple rounds up the % so chances are it most likely anywhere between 96-99% and not really at 100% when I got home but the battery is now as good as it was on day one when I first got the phone delivered from Apple.
 
CoconutBattery is the only accurate iOS battery app out there since Apple stopped allowing certain battery info to be accessed by iOS app developers. If you aren’t having issues with your phone, I wouldn’t get too caught up in the numbers. It seems to be driving some forum members to insanity.

Right...oh I understand.. this 6s+ has been a great phone! It does seem my battery is draining quicker on iOS 11 than 10.. but I’ve not had any slowdown issues.. Great phone! Maybe next summer I replace the battery and keep it another 1-2 years..
 
Since the speculation of power throttling on iPhones with old batteries has been confirmed by Apple, I'm going to go ahead and change the battery on my 6S. I'm cheap, and I've swapped iPhone batteries before, so I'm doing it myself to save money. I figured I'd start a thread for science and perhaps to help those that might consider doing the same thing.

The goal is post your device stats using Coconut Battery, how it benchmarks (reboot, let it rest, then post the best of 3 runs, allowing for cool downs), and then again how it does after the battery swap.

From Coconut Battery:
iPhone 6S (TSMC A9)
Age: 829 days old
Cycle count: 255
Full charge capacity: 1173 mAh
Battery health: 90% (edit 68%)

3Dmark Icestorm:
My phone: 17686
Baseline 6S: 28051
Performance difference: -37%

So even though my battery is 90% (edit: possible reporting error from CB, 68%) of design capacity, I'm seeing a 37% drop in expected performance, which quite honestly, I could feel in day-to-day use already. Battery drops pretty quickly through the day.

I ordered a Yontex 0-cycle battery from Amazon, which should be shipping shortly. I'll update once the battery swap is done.

Feel free to do the same. As always, do your own repairs at your own risk. Just thought it would be cool to get some data on the thresholds.
YES.

You recognize letting it rest and reboots can affect the scores. Many users on the subreddit that started this hysteria lost the difference in performance with a reboot.
 
Right...oh I understand.. this 6s+ has been a great phone! It does seem my battery is draining quicker on iOS 11 than 10.. but I’ve not had any slowdown issues.. Great phone! Maybe next summer I replace the battery and keep it another 1-2 years..
Many people have seen increased battery drain with iOS 11 as it is more processor intensive with certain settings toggled. Hopefully some of that gets sorted out with subsequent updates to iOS 11, but until then, glad your phone is performing well.
 
Many people have seen increased battery drain with iOS 11 as it is more processor intensive with certain settings toggled. Hopefully some of that gets sorted out with subsequent updates to iOS 11, but until then, glad your phone is performing well.

Yeah..it’s only 1yr 5 months old..my original got in a fight with a 30lb boat anchor and lost.. this is the AC+ replacement..
 
I changed the battery in my 6S+ almost a month ago now.

Now the performance is amazing once again.

I replaced my 6S battery a couple of months ago and it was like getting a new phone.

There are user reports coming out now how much the CPU speed drops on these iPhones once the battery charge level drops. It's astonishing really that it's even happening to a year old iPhone 7. The issues go away as soon a new battery is put in.
 
Battery arrived today, I updated the OP for consistency. Hardest parts were getting the screen removed and then pulling the battery tabs, but it took 20 minutes or so and everything works as expected. Before even running the benchmarks, I could tell the phone was back to full speed. That ~35% performance drop was just that noticeable in everyday operations.

I do really wonder what the deal is with the 89% claimed capacity. That seems to be pretty good to throttle so bad. I wonder if it is the cycle counts that Apple uses to start the throttling? It's not 80% capacity, since I had quite a bit to go before then.
 
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