Well if you really want to be righteous then you'd cease owning any product from a company that works with these type if manufacturers. But my guess is your house would be pretty bare and you wouldn't have many clothes/shoes in your closet.
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Chinese Labor Group Alleges Poor Working Conditions at Apple Supplier Pegatron
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Well if you really want to be righteous then you'd cease owning any product from a company that works with these type if manufacturers. But my guess is your house would be pretty bare and you wouldn't have many clothes/shoes in your closet.
Read the story. Nobody is accusing Apple of anything. Its a supplier, who just happen to supply Apple with a lot of stuff. I'm sure you'll see it reported elsewhere as "Chinese Labor Group Alleges Poor Working Conditions at <Insert Pegatron Customer> Supplier Pegatron".
So no. No its not "just apple"
Actually, I would be EXTREMELY SURPRISED to ever see Pegatron mentioned in a mainstream news article as anything other than an "Apple supplier." Why not title the article "Chinese Labor Group Alleges Poor Working Conditions at Former ASUS Subsidiary Pegatron"? Because it won't sell clicks like mentioning Apple does. This WSJ article is more about Apple than it is about Pergatron. In fact, the original report by China Labor Watch is more about Apple (mentioned 16 times) than Pergatron (mentioned 12 times.) Not even ONE mentioned that I see of anything Pergatron does beyond their relationship with Apple. To me it feels like CLW is more interested in digging up dirt on Apple than actually improving working conditions.
From BusinessWeek:
Its products include
computer peripherals and audio-video products,
digital cameras,
electronic components,
optical instruments,
precision lenses,
computers,
computer parts,
application systems,
tooling molds of stainless steel,
computer cases,
electronic specific equipment,
office machinery,
and electronic parts.
The company also provides
LED and relevant lighting products,
wired and wireless communication equipment,
circuit boards,
GPS,
computer electronic devices,
power supply units,
network switches,
modems,
main boards,
database storage and processing equipment,
medical appliances,
computer data projectors and related peripherals,
projection screens,
motherboards,
game consoles,
set-top boxes,
multimedia,
LCD TVs,
and other products.
In addition, it engages in
wholeselling and retailing electronic components;
providing business management consultant services;
selling iron and aluminum products;
and offering travel agency services
Read the story. Nobody is accusing Apple of anything. Its a supplier, who just happen to supply Apple with a lot of stuff. I'm sure you'll see it reported elsewhere as "Chinese Labor Group Alleges Poor Working Conditions at <Insert Pegatron Customer> Supplier Pegatron".
So no. No its not "just apple"
Supplier Code of Conduct
...and nothing stopping that guy from getting something else....let's say a Samsung product...says the guy typing this on one of his many Apple products. Lol
That is true but there is a difference.
Most businessmen do this:
Tim Cook on the other hand does this:
The working conditions probably arent that bad is compared to other Chinese/Asian factories. Hypocrisy flows well these days.
Frankly Im not sure what is better, having a job in one of these Apple suppliers or being permanently unemployed and living off food stamps like in the Western hemisphere.
Shame other computer companies can copy Apple's laptops, but not their ethics
I'm pretty sure you have no facts to backup such a comment as to what other companies do or don't do in regards to ethics and holding their suppliers accountable. Or do you?
That's the USA, food stamps. Australia does not have food stamps. We have a better system in my opinion.
I'm pretty sure you didn't read my disclaimer of: " Yes, I'm aware Apple aren't perfect either, please take what I said with a pinch of sodium chloride"
Or did you?
No I read it. I just question you leaving the comment in there when you have no idea of the veracity. "Disclaimer" or not.
Sort of like telling someone you don't meant to offend them when you tell them they are stupid or ugly
The words are already out there.
Dont worry give it a couple of years of Chinese economy cooling, a decline in commodity prices and a housing crash and you will be like some US states or certain countries in Europe...
I dont think you will have to wait for a very long time (unfortunately) if the data from China is correct.
PS) food stamp thingy was just an expression as most users here are from US, I think!
No I read it. I just question you leaving the comment in there when you have no idea of the veracity. "Disclaimer" or not.
Sort of like telling someone you don't meant to offend them when you tell them they are stupid or ugly
The words are already out there.
Oh. Well for what it's worth, I do get that a lot.
Not my comments being called out ... more people saying to me "No offense, but you are ugly"
Heh heh, sorry for jumping the gun on that one.
I'll try to be a little less edgy in future. hahahaha, great, so according to you everything the NHS uses is the cheapest available or made in China? Good story their.
I agree 100%. Since our economy is influenced more by China then the USA these days. And this is a very US site by the majority of users who frequent it and the feel of the site. So your comments are justified.
I think China (and their increasing wages) will affect the global economy I think.
The NHS is one of the larger spenders in the Uk economy as such it procures its equipment and medicines just about all over the world. (eg:India and Asia)
On the Human side you would not be able to have that service if you did not import doctors and nurses from other countries where wages are lower.
Apple gives you the proof 4 times a year with every earnings call
How does the earning call show that they are engaging in illegal behavior. It's hard to imagine a large company not doing something illegal (bribery, etc) but I was hoping you could supply a link to your evidence.
You don't change anything by ignoring the problem. These stories generate pressure on Apple to do something. I do refuse to buy certain products but in the main I find you get more done by being inside the tent rather than on the outside.
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BS. They squeeze every penny so they can make an huge profits to serve their fat cat masters on Wall Street.
The rest of your comment made me very angry but I'll refrain from swearing.
Actually, I suspect these sorts of stories exacerbate the problem. By exclusively focusing on Apple, which does appear to be "do[ing] something" even if it's not enough to solve the entire problem all at once, and ignoring all the other clients of Chinese tech companies - not to mention all the non-tech companies that might or might not have non-Chinese customers - I think they're implicitly giving those other companies a bye on their labor abuses. If Company X doesn't have any contracts with Apple, they know there's a high likelihood they'll never be reported on how they treat their workers. So what incentive do they have to provide good working conditions? Not much, really.
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I was talking about their margins....and yeah, like any other big corporation they don't give a damn about the Chinese workers....it's like DUH....
No matter what they publicize in order to prove otherwise.....it's been happening for ages, every year we hear about the same rigid conditions and strikes and so on and so forth....
If you want things to change, what have YOU done to change them, besides passing the buck to someone else.