I don't know what they are talking about, iOS 9 was a godsend to my 4S.
It was the only way I could get iOS 8 off of it.
It was the only way I could get iOS 8 off of it.
Got a tip for us?
Let us know
Become a MacRumors Supporter for $50/year with no ads, ability to filter front page stories, and private forums.
Class Action Lawsuit Accuses Apple of Crippling iPhone 4s With iOS 9 Update
- Thread starter MacRumors
- Start date
- Sort by reaction score
I bought a refurbished 4S as a substitute for my 6S Plus. It came with 9.0.2 or 9.1 i think and I updated to 9.2 and later 9.2.1.
Since I got it I haven't used my 6S Plus anymore.
It's running fast enough for my needs and I like the size, weight and thickness also it's metallic pink on the front and back side, even the display glass. Only the borders the Apple logo and the labelling is silver. I love to have something unique.
But I always forget it has no TouchID and put my finger on the Home Button at first.
Since I got it I haven't used my 6S Plus anymore.
It's running fast enough for my needs and I like the size, weight and thickness also it's metallic pink on the front and back side, even the display glass.
Only the borders the Apple logo and the labelling is silver. I love to have something unique. But I always forget it has no TouchID and put my finger on the Home Button at first.
I think the main take away from all of this is people love to complain. People would have complained if Apple dropped support for the iPhone 4s. People would complain if Apple did let them role back their OS and then a vulnerability arose in the old version and its security compromised. People complain that they recieved a software update that slowed down their 4 year old phone. No matter how you slice it, an OS designed and built in 2015 is not going to run well on a phone designed and built in 2011. If you want more flexibility, which Apple IS NOT known for, switch to one of their competitors.
As ridiculous as I think it is to expect a 4 year old phone to do anything well beyond texting and calling, Apple could really end the constant whining and lawsuits if they would allow people to revert to at least the previous version of iOS.
People need to understand that newer software will not run as well on older devices, because mobile technologies are advancing at a far faster rate than in the PC world. My three-year old MacBook Pro runs Windows 10 and El Capitan perfectly, but a computer built in 1998 likely wouldn't have had a fun time at all trying to run Windows XP in 2001. A day will come where a three-year old phone can run the latest software with ease, but until then... Apple needs to give serious thought to finding some way to appease people with older devices. Those who read this forum know better than to expect decent performance with a new OS on a phone from 2011, but the average non-techie simply notices that their device doesn't run as well as it used to. If Apple wants to uphold their reputation for software that blends nicely with hardware, they need to work on making older devices feel smoother, or just stop updating them altogether. Based on Android's success, it's obvious people don't care about their phones being supported as long as they meet a certain standard of performance.
People need to understand that newer software will not run as well on older devices, because mobile technologies are advancing at a far faster rate than in the PC world. My three-year old MacBook Pro runs Windows 10 and El Capitan perfectly, but a computer built in 1998 likely wouldn't have had a fun time at all trying to run Windows XP in 2001. A day will come where a three-year old phone can run the latest software with ease, but until then... Apple needs to give serious thought to finding some way to appease people with older devices. Those who read this forum know better than to expect decent performance with a new OS on a phone from 2011, but the average non-techie simply notices that their device doesn't run as well as it used to. If Apple wants to uphold their reputation for software that blends nicely with hardware, they need to work on making older devices feel smoother, or just stop updating them altogether. Based on Android's success, it's obvious people don't care about their phones being supported as long as they meet a certain standard of performance.
These lawsuits are such a joke. Is anybody suing Google for similar Android issues on Android phones? The sad thing about these is that the scum lawyers make a ton of money while the people that are part of these suits get a bag of peanuts if that.
-Mike
-Mike
Didn't Apple specifically say that ios 9 was actually supposed to run better on older devices? If so then I would assume these people might actually have a case.
if rolling back is a security concern, then shouldn't being on an old iOS in any capacity be a security concern? shouldn't that mean any phone not running the newest software should be bricked? i don't see how you can argue one side without accepting that implication.
also the whole "that device is ancient get with the times lol" is just gross first world self-indulgence. i'm all for enthusiasts who want to experience the latest and greatest. but the functionality and performance of my 4S from 2011 would serve me and probably many others perfectly well in 2016. i do 95% of the exact same things now that i did then, the only reason i upgraded at all is because it was already running substantially worse in 2014 on an OS that i couldn't roll back from.
for fun, i put my 4s back to ios6 when i found out that it was possible. it runs great. the hardware is in no way worn out. i'd actually pay $10-20 a year for security updates if thats what it took to responsibly maintain hardware while it suited my needs.
legitimacy of this lawsuit aside, i think there is something really wrong with how people have come to accept that smartphones are almost disposable and how its somehow a shameful, luddite attitude to be content with the functionality of an older device.
also the whole "that device is ancient get with the times lol" is just gross first world self-indulgence. i'm all for enthusiasts who want to experience the latest and greatest. but the functionality and performance of my 4S from 2011 would serve me and probably many others perfectly well in 2016. i do 95% of the exact same things now that i did then, the only reason i upgraded at all is because it was already running substantially worse in 2014 on an OS that i couldn't roll back from.
for fun, i put my 4s back to ios6 when i found out that it was possible. it runs great. the hardware is in no way worn out. i'd actually pay $10-20 a year for security updates if thats what it took to responsibly maintain hardware while it suited my needs.
legitimacy of this lawsuit aside, i think there is something really wrong with how people have come to accept that smartphones are almost disposable and how its somehow a shameful, luddite attitude to be content with the functionality of an older device.
Microsoft did that for years and it turned out badly for them. They, just like other tech companies realized that to streamline the company they have to keep moving forward. And don't get stuck supporting multiple OS versions.
Can I downgrade from Window 10 to Window 7? Absolutely. Microsoft literally provide you downgrade from Windows Vista to Windows XP, from Windows 7 to Windows Vista, from Windows 8 to Windows 7 and From Windows 10 to Windows 8.
3
To note that, you can only roll back without losing anything within a month. After that, you need do clean install. There is nothing stop you reinstall Windows 8.1, Microsoft does not sign Windows version and you do not have use stupid iTunes to reinstall OS.
Are we comparing PC software to mobile software?!???
What a joke. As if Craig Federighi tells his engineers to insert code that will intentionally slow down older devices. People sue for anything and everything these days. Only in America.
You're not forced to upgrade. Up until last October my sister was using an iPhone 5 with iOS 6. Her iPad 2 is still running iOS 6. I can't believe for one second that iOS 9 runs worse on the 4S than iOS 8 did so how far would you let people revert back?
Well I can say this if you "Don't Upgrade" some features like FaceTime don't work anymore! So apple sold me a phone that the OS doesn't move across other platforms.
This is great! I was forced to update an iPad because it would not longer boot, probably a problem with the flash storage. Anyway, recovery mode would only allow iOS 9, and then apps had to also be updated to work The process took over 4 hours, and it is not what I had or wanted.
If the device cannot be restored to the same functionality as when it was purchased, it should be bought back by the company that forced the upgrade.
I'm not saying updating a bad thing, but there needs to be a choice in there somewhere.
I feel like hurling a sledgehammer at a giant movie screen, but probably no one would notice.
If the device cannot be restored to the same functionality as when it was purchased, it should be bought back by the company that forced the upgrade.
I'm not saying updating a bad thing, but there needs to be a choice in there somewhere.
I feel like hurling a sledgehammer at a giant movie screen, but probably no one would notice.
Not forced to upgrade. Yeah, unless you have an iPhone 5 that has manufacturing defects that are out of control of the user.
https://www.apple.com/support/iphone5-sleepwakebutton/
"Note: If you are running iOS 6 or iOS 7, your iPhone will need to be upgraded to iOS 8 after the sleep/wake button mechanism is replaced."
Yes that's the issue I think. They led folks to believe it was a performance boost update and in fact it made things worse. Even slightly worse on the newer devices as far as performance goes.
There is no case. They choose to update to the latest software, nobody forced them. It is well documented anywhere on the web and in media as well as common sense. Newer software with more demanding features will put more strain on older technology. It is how things have always been. Personally I miss iOS 5 but it is what it is.
You'd be surprised. The same people who freak out on the kids at the Genuis Bar in the Apple Store when they don't get missed call and text notifications, claiming their phone is defective. Then the kid grabs the phone and turns off their "Do Not Disturb" mode.
The progression of technology seems to have an indirect correlation with people's entitlement levels when it comes to things not working EXACTLY the same from the moment it leaves the box to the last spark of juice that leaves the battery at the end of its days. Most carriers have a trade up program nowadays. Even Apple has some trade up incentives at their stores.
You have a five-generation old iPhone. Sorry your Pinterest page on how to make home made cheddar biscuits like Red Lobster isn't loading as quickly as you think it should. Instead of paying those lawyers fees to capitalize on your $44 settlement from the suit, you should just buy a new friggin phone. Holy hell.
/end rant.
Do you think iPhones run on hard disks or something? User data has almost no impact on OS performance at all on iPhones or any other flash-based device, especially a sanboxed one like an iPhone. Ironically, you talk about technologically illiterate people as "idiots" when you think iPhones do what old Windows PCs on hard drives do. Who's the real idiot here?
Apple has stuck with planned obsolescence since day one, why do people choose to complain now? Don't answer that because the article states that there has been pervious lawsuits for the same reason. If anything they're protecting themselves from a security problem by leaving alone old hardware that can't operate in a stable manner.
Many other companies and products operate the same way. Don't cars work that way too, albeit on a longer time scale?
These class-action lawsuits are a load of baloney that are just used as a "we'll show you" for people to act like they have any power in changing a big company's operations. Remember the Wi-Fi Assist lawsuit? Never saw the light of day because it was a load of crap.
Apple serves the masses, a.k.a. the ones who pay for yearly upgrades. That may seem harsh or offensive (I don't care) but it's the truth.
Apple is a luxury brand, not a made-to-order brand that a large organization would contract with.
So the idea is that the only reasonable consumer protection laws protect user from, and only protect users from, being physically compelled to act contrary to their will? Sounds like a libertarian-corporate paradise!
But even on that basis, is if you have to restore your phone through iTunes, aren't you in fact forced to upgrade if Apple is no longer signing the version on your phone?
So, forced? Yes. Debilitating? Yes. Intentional? Yes. (Apple could absolutely allow users to always restore to the iOS shipped with their device. They choose not to.)
I hope the plaintiffs win and Apple is forced to stop using force against their customers.
Let's not forget, the 4s was built with an A5 chip and iOS 5 in mind. The iPhone 6s was built with an A9 chip and iOS 9 in mind. Not sure what people expect when upgrading.
Luckily though, it seems iPhones are starting to get more futureproof. My 5s runs iOS 9 worlds better than my 4s ran iOS 7.
Luckily though, it seems iPhones are starting to get more futureproof. My 5s runs iOS 9 worlds better than my 4s ran iOS 7.
What a joke. As if Craig Federighi tells his engineers to insert code that will intentionally slow down older devices. People sue for anything and everything these days. Only in America.
You're not forced to upgrade. Up until last October my sister was using an iPhone 5 with iOS 6. Her iPad 2 is still running iOS 6. I can't believe for one second that iOS 9 runs worse on the 4S than iOS 8 did so how far would you let people revert back?
Dude it was only discontinued last year. So it's only good for a year. They should has said it was no longer supported.
And my new iPad mini 2 is way short of memory.
For a company that prides itself in quality and charges a premium...
If you want to believe that, fine. I guess iPhones never, ever have any software issues and run just fine with corrupted files and no available storage space. Thank you for clearing that up for all of us.