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Just out of interest, why would it need a BB service to make a call or send a text? Was everything routed through the BB servers?

Exactly my question. Why would early 2000s "dumb phones" work but not a Blackberry? It sounds like they have some ominous kill switch plan.
Yeah, my limited understanding is pretty much that. It was part of the (regarded as genuine) security advantage BlackBerrys had, where everything got routed through the proprietary BIS (Blackberry Internet Service) or BES (Blackberry Enterprise Server). This obviously covered data/connectivity but I think it even covered phone calls, although I confess I don't know how. Now those services are all getting turned off. No BIS/BES, no usable device.
 
I do have to hand it to blackberry, they were able to get a smartphone device where the battery would last 5-7 days. But then again, 2006 was a simpler time....
 
Yeah, my limited understanding is pretty much that. It was part of the (regarded as genuine) security advantage BlackBerrys had, where everything got routed through the proprietary BIS (Blackberry Internet Service) or BES (Blackberry Enterprise Server). This obviously covered data/connectivity but I think it even covered phone calls, although I confess I don't know how. Now those services are all getting turned off. No BIS/BES, no usable device.
I am not 100% sure that was the case for all devices. There was a way on some pre-curve blackberries to provision use without data. However, contracts with BB required that devices be activated with a data plan, and since back then most carriers treated a BB data activation as a new line of service for commission sales, some reps would just activate the charge if you went into a store or called into customer support.
 
Such a nice way to say “Sorry, we messed up, you may have purchased a device of ours recently, but we’ve been out of touch with the smartphone world for too long to actually have you have your phone work. Let’s just pretend this never happened. I mean, cmon, we actually terminate essential services on devices you bought thinking you could actually use them for at least 2 or 3 years, pfff, if that doesn’t show how much we don’t understand smartphones and smartphone software nowadays, what will? Be happy about it and just get an iPhone like we did 5 years ago. Bye now.”.
 
...I mean, cmon, we actually terminate essential services on devices you bought thinking you could actually use them for at least 2 or 3 years...
And you could.

Given that the last classic BB device impacted by this was released nearly 7 years ago and that BB formally announced this over 2 years ago, then I don't really see what you're criticising them for. You expected them to keep running this obsolete service for how long?
 
My personal memories of BB aren't necessarily good ones. At my employer at the time only the execs were able to have them while we who supported them and the entire company IT were still relegated to using two way pagers. Now the two way pagers were awesome in their day but still... Then years later when I changed companies they did give me a BB, but at that time the iPhones were already out and I had a personal one (3G) so again that felt like a slap in the face. I still have my last BB (Bold 99xx) as when they finally did give me a iPhone years later they didn't even want it back.
 
Good memories. Sitting in the airport, everyone clicking away round me. I still have faint longings for those really great physical keyboards.

BB security required connections back to the BB servers. One of the reasons that in the day, pretty much all gov services only allows BB phones and it took a lot of work by Apple and others to break that stigma.
 
That's definitely the starting point, and when everybody can do push email, Blackberry's strength was diminishing. Without better hardware and OS/UI, the nails on the coffin were lining up quickly. Apple just accelerated everything with the iPhone.
Apple are setting themselves up the same way BlackBerry did. Now everything depend on the Apple SOC which in a way is very bad.
 
Right around the time when we will be talking about the demise of Rolex, Levi’s and Coca Cola. Just because some companies eventually fail doesn’t mean that all of them do. Some companies actually do live to be a hundred. I believe Apple is better suited to do that than any other tech company. But they are not alone, certain others have built up a broad enough portfolio and solid business models that they won’t just be tipped over. Microsoft comes to mind. RIM and Nokia were one-trick ponies. Although at one point it was popular to say that about Apple, they have proven that they are not. The key is in the video linked to above: Put the customer first*, not competitors, not even the product itself.

*”Customer first” does NOT mean always do what the customer wants! It’s about focusing on how to monetize best on the things the customers actually focus on. Apple is better at this than anyone, and if you look at the stock value and still claim otherwise, you are a moron. To bet on Apple failing some time in the future is to make a blind bet that Apple will put a moron in charge. Which is a lot less likely.
You're talking about a company though, not a product. I'm sure Apple will outlive the iPhone, and the iPhone will continue to evolve for a few years yet - but then a new technology disrupter will come out of left field and within a couple of years we'll be looking back at the iPhone and saying "remember when...".

There's already a generation who barely know what an iPod is.
 
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Just out of interest, why would it need a BB service to make a call or send a text? Was everything routed through the BB servers?
Yes, it was. BB added a layer of security to it so that messages between BB business phones belonging to the same organisation stayed secure when wandering over public infrastructure. You had this BB infrastructure in your own datacenter, cloud was still emerging at that time. More to be found here: https://www.tutorialspoint.com/mobile_security/mobile_security_blackberry_os.htm
 
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Not sure why anyone is complaining that owns one, Apple is notorious in designing devices that become obsolete even faster by limiting its modem chips and iOS updates.
My iPhone 4, 4S, 5, 5C and now my 5S in 2022 no longer work with US Carriers but were working fine for apps, texting, iMessage and browsing.

In a few years LTE will be dropped by US Carriers and all those iPhone 11 Pro Max devices will be paperweights.
 
Not sure why anyone is complaining that owns one, Apple is notorious in designing devices that become obsolete even faster by limiting its modem chips and iOS updates.
My iPhone 4, 4S, 5, 5C and now my 5S in 2022 no longer work with US Carriers but were working fine for apps, texting, iMessage and browsing.

In a few years LTE will be dropped by US Carriers and all those iPhone 11 Pro Max devices will be paperweights.
That isn't an Apple limitation, just a US carrier one. I still have an old iPhone 5 that still works (in the UK).The carriers can save money by stopping support for older devices and then make more money by forcing people to upgrade. So it is a win/win for them.
 
Apple are setting themselves up the same way BlackBerry did. Now everything depend on the Apple SOC which in a way is very bad.
Yes and no. Vertical integration is what every businesses dream to achieve. Going Apple Silicon was the right bet. Look at the rest of Android OEMs that are dependant on Qualcomm. Every new Qualcomm cores had worse performance per watt than the previous. The latest Snapdragon 8 Gen 1 is literally the first one that actually improves in performance per watt. In contrast, Apple keeps improving the performance per watt every generation, even on the efficiency cores. Going Apple Silicon is not bad at all. But of course, what Apple do with it is the key.

Blackberry is the classic "resting on its laurels." They were at their comfort zone (keyboard-based phone hardware and UI). By the time Apple showed a full GUI with touch were the way to go, it's too late already as these things don't happen overnight. Add on their advantage of push Email is no longer unique, the rest is history.

Even Google almost fell into that trap (Android was a copy of BBOS UI, until Schmidt saw iPhone OS)... :D
 
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