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Same problem with Jazz. If I want contemporary (modern) Jazz I have to sift through all the traditional artists from the last 60+ years.

Same could be said for probably many genres in Apple Music. They really need to focus and sort on sub-genres more.

Well said. As a Classical music fan and a fan of true Country music it is often difficult to listen to AM because of their lack of caring for genres and sub-genres that are not the latest hip hop.

For Classical music, of which I prefer Operas, I'd love to be able to sort my listening by either Artist or Composer. I have several artists I am a fan of such as Piotr Beczala and Placido Domingo, while I also enjoy listening to great composers of the past such as Mozart, Puccini and others.
 
I gave up on Apple Music some time ago precisely because it does not know how to serve my needs in listening to classical music for many the reasons stated in the original post. My pet peeve is not realizing that a classical music work generally consists of multiple tracks that need to be played as a unit and in the sequence the composer intended. As an example I might want to shuffle all the Beethoven piano sonatas played by Wilhelm Kempff, but I want a sonata to be played in its entirety (all the movements in the proper order) before moving on to the next randomly chosen sonata. Grouping the movements of a multi-track work would be a welcome feature in iTunes for that matter.

This is not just an Apple Music problem, Amazon Prime Music through Alexa handles classical music in an equally inane manner.

I solve this problem by just streaming WFMT for classical music. At least I can still do that in iTunes on my Mac. As I write this I'm listening to Metropolitan Opera's Saturday afternoon performance of Don Giovanni and stream works very well for my purposes. No need for an expensive monthly subscription charge for this either (although I do donate to the station and the Met to help keep them going).

(I also generally just stream KCSM for jazz music because it's easier and I like the human based curation of their playlist. But then that is another genre).
 
There are more MySpace users than there are listeners of Classical Music.

And there are more Big Macs sold than filet mignons. So what?

I don't listen to pop. I do listen to classical. I will be a very happy paying customer of whatever streaming service makes it possible for me to enjoy the music I love without making me jump through hoops to find it.
 
If this system was put in place, Apple Music would be an amazing way to sample and find classical music to listen to! This would open up the world to a classical fan, and provide a relatively inexpensive and convenient way to settle on compositions, performers, and performances that you like. Finding and exploring good classical music that I’d like to listen to has always been difficult, especially with the demise of the Penguin Classical Music Guide. This service, if ever implemented, would be the single reason for me to subscribe to Apple Music.

From a sales perspective, it currently makes sense to standardize classical music on the 256bit AAC format but only if they also offer the ability to purchase upgraded audio files in lossless FLAC and/or ALAC format. Although it would be obvious $ mining, it would nevertheless be a service I would gladly pay for.
 
This is an outstanding breakdown of a complex but super-annoying issue. In short, Apple Music doesn't present classical music in the way classical listeners think about music. Classical music has always been tricky to organize, but a service like Apple Music should be able to make that easier, not harder. I hope someone at Apple will pay attention to this.


Except I am a classical music listener and it is great for me. Perhaps you are referring to a subset of classical music listeners, maybe we could define that demographic?
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Compressed classical music is not very pleasant most of the time. Can't imagine listening to it on an Apple device, let alone Apple's low res streaming service.

My guess is that they'll remove the 'Classical' category. It's, just too much work and Apple is really only interested in paying for PR to say it works hard to achieve incredible results, not actually achieving them.

Can't imagine? Maybe because you haven't. I honestly can't figure out if you are simply making a nasty statement, or are a real audiophile with you know tens of thousands of dollars in equipment. And maybe you have so much better ears than the rest of humanity, that you can actually hear the differences (there are those people).

I listen to Apple Music on my HomePod, it sounds great. Actual experts have used actual audio measuring equipment and determined that HomePod is a very good speaker., with a very accurate response curve. According to Verge, Apple Music "Sound quality is usually better than Spotify’s, thanks to Apple Music using a 256kbps AAC bitrate, compared to the max 320kbps Ogg Vorbis bitrate used by Spotify." https://www.theverge.com/this-is-my...c-streaming-service-price-comparison-features. Of course, there is Tidal with true lossless, but it is not that prevalent. Maybe you have experience with others?

Honestly, if you have something constructive to say, it comes across better if you say it in a positive light than some snarky stuff. Maybe I'm just old, but we used to characterize music reproduction in terms like frequency response and total harmonic distortion.
 
I have no need to listen to Apple Music of any Genre.
As you say, classical music listeners collect music. I have more than 400 Albums on Vinyl and 500+ CD of Classical and Classic Rock and 1960's Jazz and Blues. With all of that in Digital format why would I need Apple Music?
My iPod stll works perfectly and gives me all the music I require.
Now I must go back to listening to the Beethoven Piano Concerto No 3.

If you have the ability to collect music. Now that I live in Europe and have little kids it just isn't tenable. Apple Music and a pair of HomePods isn't just kid friendly, super accessible, and sound quality is certainly excellent for the price category.
I'm not referring to another "domain". I'm referring to Apple Music and it is generally very poor. Of course, if you know exactly which songs you want to listen to, you can always make a playlist. But I like creating radio stations out of band so that I can try to discover new music. Amazon Music (and Spotify) both do this quite well.

Domain is referring to musical taste. It really depends on what the algorithms train on. I personally don't create radio stations very often, however the stations I have created seem spot on. I also tend to listen to specific Beats 1 programs when I'm interested in listening to new music.
 
get rid of it.. That's the solution..j/k

The service is the problem, not the genre specially, just raises more concerns because of it.

Once you fix that, that's only those users,, the underlying problem is still there

Of all the issues with the service, it doesn't sop more people coming to it, so the problems can't be THAT bad.

The ones who do find problems, will exit, but more will come.
 
Funny they mention The Digital Concert Hall by the Berliner Philharmonic. I am a subscriber and I never thought to watch it on anything but the Apple TV. I don't think the Berlin Philharmonic sees the app as a streaming music app, they see it as a live performance outlet.
 
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I think the problem is that classical music has historically been composed mainly by „old white men“
 
Searching by album name is going to work every time…

Which begs the question: why would a classical music enthusiast have difficulty finding the specific recordings they're looking for on Apple Music? They should already know the album names and can definitely search using those.
Would that this were true, but alas, it is not even remotely so.

For example I’m quite fond of a recording of George Frederick Handel’s oratorio The Messiah sung by the Choir of King’s College, Cambridge, with the Academy of St Martin in the Fields, directed by Sir David Willcocks, on the EMI label. (This information is all stored in my head, by the way.)

Following your advice, I opened iTunes, clicked on the Browse tab, and searched All Apple Music for “Messiah”.

Of the 38 albums shown me in the search results, only one is a recording of Handel’s Messiah, and the other 37 aren’t even remotely classical (despite my navigating to the Classical genre first).

If I search for “Handel Messiah” I get 37 albums (including such tripe as Sleep: 111 Pieces of Classical Music for Bedtime).

If, however, I click on the Store tab and search the iTunes Store for “Handel Messiah”, then I get 80 albums, almost all of which are actually recordings of Handel’s Messiah.

(Fortunately, Apple have now made it easy to get from an album’s page in the iTunes Store to its page in Apple Music, so now I almost never bother trying to search Apple Music, but search the iTunes Store instead.)

Note that this does not find recordings of Händel’s Der Messias, which is the same work.

But what if I just want to listen to one of countertenor James Bowman’s recitatives and arias from that Willcocks recording of The Messiah? If I search all Apple Music for “Handel Messiah Bowman”, then I get every single track from the album, because Warner Classics vomited exactly the same tag info into all 53 of the album’s tracks. (It could be worse! Many albums don’t have the performers’ names at all, or have even the wrong performers named.)

This is only a small sample of the abject failure of Apple Music’s search facilities. I could go on and on. Even searching the iTunes Store is harder than it used to be, since Apple removed the iTunes Store Power Search.

Often I resort to a Google search of “site:itunes.apple.com/us/”. If you copy the following into Script Editor and save it as a Script into ~/iTunes/Scripts/ (change “/us/” to your own country code if you’re outside the US), naming it something like “Open Google Search of iTunes Store”, then it will appear in iTunes’ Scripts menu, making it a cinch to open a Google site search (of course this works only on macOS):

tell application "Finder"
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I think the problem is that classical music has historically been composed mainly by „old white men“
If by “old” you mean over the age of 14, then I would have to agree.
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Compressed classical music is not very pleasant most of the time. Can't imagine listening to it on an Apple device, let alone Apple's low res streaming service.
Apple Music uses the same codec at the same bitrate as the iTunes Store: 256 kbps variable bitrate AAC.

I challenge you to take any of your CDs and rip it in iTunes using first a lossless codec like ALAC and then the AAC Encoder on the iTunes Plus setting (which is what Apple Music and the iTunes Store use). Then use ABX software to conduct a double-blind listening test. Use your best headphones in a quiet room, and see if you can successfully distinguish the lossless rip from the AAC-encoded 256 kbps rip.

I think you’ll be surprised.
 
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Would that this were true, but alas, it is not even remotely so.

For example I’m quite fond of a recording of George Frederick Handel’s oratorio The Messiah sung by the Choir of King’s College, Cambridge, with the Academy of St Martin in the Fields, directed by Sir David Willcocks, on the EMI label. (This information is all stored in my head, by the way.)

Search-

handel messiah choir of kings college

Result-

2nd entry under albums is the correct album (but now has a Warner Classics logo since they bought EMI)

The search that I used is simply based on the text as it appears in order on the CD cover. That's what I mean when I say you can search using the album name and if it's available in Apple Music then it's going to appear as a result and then you can add it to your permanent library.
 
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Last August, Apple Music was updated with a new section in Browse curated by Deutsche Grammophon, one of the biggest classical music labels in the world. While classical music fans welcomed the specific focus of the area, many of our readers quickly pointed out the numerous issues that remain for classical listeners on a daily basis within Apple Music, and the fact that they've been there since the launch of the service with seemingly no correction in sight.

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To help break down and highlight these problems, we reached out to a few experts in the classical music field, including professor Benjamin Charles, who wrote a blog post about his frustrations with streaming music services last October. We also spoke with Franz Rumiz, a classical music fan whose article "Why Apple Music fails with classical music" struck a chord with the community in early 2017.

Frustrations with classical music streaming are nothing new, but as Charles tells us, this is a problem that affects nearly every streaming music service, including Apple Music rival Spotify. In an effort to find out exactly what's wrong with classical music on Apple Music -- and what steps could be taken to address these problems -- we asked Charles and Rumiz to detail the biggest issues with classical music on Apple Music.

The Problems

Classical music is treated as a single genre

When you tap on "Genres" in Apple Music's Browse tab, you're treated with a list of over 30 styles of music, from Alternative and African Music to Christian, Electronic, K-Pop, and Metal. This is where classical music fans have to visit to find their favorite music, within the singular "Classical" genre section.

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For Charles, this is the first in a long line of problems. The section spans centuries, including all of the notable composers like Mozart (born 1756, died 1791), Maurice Ravel (b. 1875, d. 1937), and John Cage (b. 1912, d. 1992), but this grouping is frustrating for classical music aficionados, given how little these musicians have in common among one another.
Classical music wasn't designed to fit in modern album templates

Streaming classical music on a service like Apple Music forces the expansive art form into a strict, boundary-ridden template. Because of this, numerous aspects of the music are truncated in a way that deflates their impact, particularly for anyone without existing knowledge of classical recordings.

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Charles says that one aspect of classical music that's mixed up in the shuffle is the listener's interest in a piece's composer versus its performer. While some artists, like Leonard Bernstein, both compose and perform their music, Charles questions how Apple Music determines the best recording for a piece of music: "Is a recording more significant because it is composed by Bach, or is it more significant because it is performed by Glenn Gould?"

Further complicating matters, orchestral recordings introduce both the conductor and orchestra as contributors, essentially breaking any possibility for these pieces to be read and seen within the boundaries of a modern album format. With concerti, the soloist, composer, and orchestra also need credit.

This results in albums with names like "Prokofiev: Piano Concerto No. 3 in C Major, Op. 26 - Ravel: Piano Concerto in G Major, M.83; Gaspard de la nuit, M. 55," credited to "Martha Argerich, Berlin Philharmonic & Claudio Abbado."

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Not only is this far too much information to read clearly in Apple Music, but the app's basic UI functions fail to provide links to every credited artist, making further classical music discovery a frustrating endeavor. In the above example, the link for "Martha Argerich, Berlin Philharmonic & Claudio Abbado" directs listeners only to Martha Argerich's Apple Music profile page. On that note, Rumiz points out that classical music playlists are essentially nonsense. This is because each playlist takes in arias and overtures from various operas, completely disrupting the ordered way that classical music is intended to be listened to. This happens in playlists like Apple's "Essentials" for composers like Richard Wagner, and in mood playlists designed for studying or relaxing.
Siri isn't very helpful

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Because of these wordy titles, any voice-enabled features touted by Apple and found within Apple Music are much harder to use for classical music fans.

As Charles bluntly puts it, "Can you imagine: 'Hey Siri, play the third movement of Prokofiev's Piano Concerto No. 3 from the album Prokofiev: Piano Concerto No. 3 in C Major, Op. 26 - Ravel: Piano Concerto in G Major, M.83; Gaspard de la nuit, M. 55 by Martha Argerich, Berlin Philharmonic & Claudio Abbado."

In our tests, simply stating "Hey Siri, play Prokofiev's Piano Concerto" did lead to Siri playing the correct concerto in the correct order, but as with all things Siri, the command was not consistently reliable. The proclivity toward the use of foreign language titles for some pieces, and the acceptance of English versions of the same titles, also regularly stumps Siri.

"Sometimes we use English titles, sometimes we use foreign language titles; 'The Rite of Spring' and 'Le Sacre du printemps' seem to be used equally to describe the same piece," Charles explains.

There are breaks between each track

Rumiz's biggest issue with classical on Apple Music is the breaks that happen between tracks in recordings (this frustration originally led Rumiz to write his Medium post on the topic). For any classical piece that is through-composed (music intended to be played from beginning to end in one continuous stream), Apple Music interrupts the fluidity of the piece by placing a break of ~1 second between each track.

Rumiz does point out that Apple has removed these breaks from many recordings over the years, but it isn't solved for all recordings.
There is a large barrier to entry for new listeners

This is Charles' biggest problem with classical on Apple Music. Although the browsing and playback experience can be awkward, the music professor ultimately notes that his background and education in the subject help him navigate Apple Music's less-than-stellar classical music selection with some ease. If you're on the other end of that spectrum, trying to get into the genre and navigating 300+ years of music on Apple Music, it's "effectively impossible."

Charles is understandably disappointed in the lack of education and forethought put into classical selections on Apple Music. There are no program notes, select few pieces of biographical information, and no guidance when navigating among composers. Despite the music having thorough research readily available, Apple Music ditches all interconnections between notable composers in favor of static tabs of music lists.

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One of the few educational areas in Apple Music's classical section is buried at the very bottom of the page, and offers a quick overview of the genre's history.


Listening to classical music often requires the listener to understand the work in context to get everything out of it. Without these tidbits of history, connective tissues between composers, and educational program notes, Apple Music fails this fan base.
There's a lack of legitimacy

As an extension of the previous grievance, Apple Music's Beethoven page lacks a link to the composer's spiritual successor, Brahms, but it does provide a link to an artist named "Chopin." Unfortunately, this is not the Polish composer, but a rapper who appeared on a hip-hop song named "Circumstance," which was released in 2018. "Even if it did link to the correct Chopin, there are far more relevant composers to link to," Charles points out.

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Furthermore, Apple populates composer pages with songs from albums and playlists that don't necessarily paint these artists in a respected light. Beethoven's "Top Songs" include songs from albums like "The World's Most Beautiful Wedding Music," "Classical Music for Power Pilates," and "Exam Study." While relevant to each of these activities, Apple's decision to push these results higher on the page above more reputed collections "sends strong signals of a lack of legitimacy in the classical music world," Charles argues.

The Solutions

Build better composer pages and offer more categories

This would be feasible, since Apple just last year updated the artist pages across Apple Music with new profile picture designs, new featured albums, album reorganization, and a "play all" button. Although composers and their works are inherently more complex, Charles points out that some already have their own identification systems, including the Bach-Werke-Verzeichnis (BWV) catalog for Bach and the Köchel (K) catalog for Mozart, which have the potential for streamlined integration into Apple Music.

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In the same vein, Rumiz says more categories would do wonders for expanding the ease-of-use of classical on Apple Music, by offering more complex categories like "soloist" and "conductor," instead of following the rules of pop and rock music where songs only have one artist. While this would be a big task for Apple, Rumiz notes that it will be "necessary if they want classical music fans to continue using Apple Music on the long run."

Fix irrelevant recommendations

In a simpler and easier solution, Charles hopes Apple can more intelligently guide users to important and noteworthy composers, pieces, and musicians, that actually have relevance to one another. No more erroneous "Chopin" pages and "Ode to Joy" recommendations found within Power Pilates playlists.

Make it smarter and hire a human curator

Overall, Charles is hoping for Apple to boost the intelligence of its classical music section on Apple Music. To start, he recommends Apple hire a musicologist whose job it would be to personally back the rejuvenation of the classical music features on the service. This would be just like most other sections of Apple Music, where algorithms are backed and double-checked by human editors, like Arjan Timmermans's role as Apple Music's "Head of Pop."

This includes adding program notes that would enhance the listener's understanding of classical music, so that they're actually taking part in digesting and understanding the composition and not just passively listening. Charles explains the importance of knowing a piece's real-world history: "Berlioz's Symphonie Fantastique is a great example: it features a story (loosely based on the composer's own life) of an artist obsessing with a love interest, taking opium, and murdering his beloved in a drug-induced trip. This sort of thing kind of changes how you hear a piece!"
Acquire a company that does most of this already

In a move that would make sense given Apple's history, Apple could also simply acquire a company that's doing most of these things already, and implement the technology within an update to Apple Music. Charles pointed me toward the Berlin Philharmonic's Digital Concert Hall [Direct iTunes Link], a classical music streaming service that has live and on-demand concerts (up to 40 each season), hundreds of archived recordings covering five decades, composer interviews, documentaries, artist portraits, and a family-friendly education program that dives into the history of each piece.

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While the Digital Concert Hall mostly lacks simple music streaming, if Apple made a deal with Berlin Philharmonic, the service's features would greatly boost classical music offerings on Apple Music.

Rumiz doesn't recommend an outright acquisition, but he does point towards a company and service that is already leagues ahead of Apple in the classical music field: IDAGIO [Direct iTunes Link]. This service costs $9.99/month and focuses solely on classical music. While some important recordings are missing and require him to return to Apple Music or Spotify, Rumiz says that IDAGIO's usability and interface are far better than Apple Music, eliminating many of the frustrations classical fans have with streaming services.

Boost the video offerings

According to Rumiz, a well-organized and fully featured suite of classical video content "could be an important selling point" for a streaming service intent on gaining more classical fans. Apple has a few of these, offering background interviews with artists, but Rumiz points toward YouTube Music as the current leader in this category, since it offers full recordings of concerts and operas.

The Future

In the end, Apple -- and Spotify, Google, Amazon, etc. -- have a tricky battle ahead of them if and when they decide to address the issue of classical music on streaming services. "It doesn't seem to be a business priority [for Apple]," Charles admits, and in the current scheme of things, the company's focus on pop and hip-hop in Apple Music is logical from a financial standpoint.

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But that doesn't change the fact that there are millions of classical music fans willing and ready to pay the company that can get these things right. "This is a completely untapped market," Charles tells me. "One streaming service could completely own the classical music audience if it wanted to."

Article Link: Classical Music on Apple Music: What's Wrong and How Apple Can Fix It
I believe that the real culprit, and the commercial entities that can do most to solve it, are the record companies. They need to agree a comprehensive standard metadata tagging system (rather like an international library cataloging system). This would cover issues such as naming (Beethoven, Ludwig van for example), would provide fields for soloist, orchestra, conductor, group, vocal soloists etc. and leave some optional feels available to individual users. Actually the iTUNES "song" view represents a start in that direction, but there are not enough choices of metadata tags. The Berlin Philharmonic "Digital Concert Hall" has a pretty decent index which works well for online, may not be so good for ones own NAS library. Of course, the international metadata system would agree on the definition of Baroque, Renaissance, and so forth.
 
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How many years until Siri can successfully respond to a request like: "play Wilhelm Kempff's performance of Beethoven's Waldstein sonata"? I'm not holding my breath.
It's ok, you can hold your breath. If you do it long enough you'll just pass out and then start breathing again unconsciously.

The problem here ISN'T an Apple only problem, every streaming service has the same problems. Record companies with Vinyl ad CD's have never really done a good job either. Ever. Most people don't listen to 'Classical' because it's all lumped together. You have to either know you like some composer/artist/conductor or be willing to spend a lot of time wading through music you don't like to find music you do. You can have the same exact piece played by different orchestras and like one version and not the other. You can like one conductors version and not like another conductors version of the same piece with the same orchestra. And orchestras aren't static either, as different players come and go their sound changes.

Classical music is complex. That's part of what makes it good. It's also what makes it difficult to learn what you like.

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For a comparison, let's classify all music made since 1950 (date just arbitrarily selected by me) as 'Modern'. You want to listen to any music made of any type since then the only classification it has is Modern. Like Hip-Hop- Modern. Like Metal- Modern. Like Country - Modern. Like Rap - Modern.

Take every classification currently used to describe music and lump all of it together. Thats what has been the norm for Classical most of the last century and all of this one.
 
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I doubt that many people who work on Apple Music listen to music.

It's probably time to hire some.

Fixed that for you.

I’ll believe it when Music in iOS doesn’t think the default order for tracks should be alphabetical when you have selected all of an artists work (via USB) or genre or the default order for Albums should be by title and not by year.
 
Alternatively why not abandon the artificial "genre" method entirely and come up with a more sophisticated system?
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Original cast recordings, soundtracks, anything that isn't pop is pretty much fending for itself. No help from Apple.

On the bright side, I like to hear Siri say "Josephine Baker."
 
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Same problem with Jazz. If I want contemporary (modern) Jazz I have to sift through all the traditional artists from the last 60+ years.

I came here to say this. I don't understand why Apple, with all its resources, couldn't build the best [jazz] music library in the world. I would suggest making a collaboration with someone like Brain Rust or Tom Lord (https://www.lordisco.com/) or Mosaic records and making something truly revolutionary. But it seems they aren't interested.
 
This is a problem with all evolving music styles; not just classical. All uk underground dance music has sub genres and sub genres of those sub genres. It’s the reality of digital; and compression in every sense of the word is how Apple work.

We live in a world where people no longer dig into subject to find the essence or reasoning behind the creative subject matter.

Apple killed the whole album concept by breaking up the Album into pieces. this was the beginning of the end for everything that was creative about a listening experience of an artist’s work.

Everything is now for quick download and consumption rather than a deeper understanding of the creative works.

Yes this is more obvious with classical due to the depth and micro subtleties that can make a huge difference to the piece you want to listen to but it’s still very real for all the genres of non-pop music where all you have is the key search word and a ton of music that actually could be better segmented and understood.

My field is underground dance music and I Have been making it very successfully since 1988. I fully understand every micro change and its reason for the change as I have constantly travelled through those changes.

House music has many styles as does Drum and Bass and for those that understand this the problem that classical face is no different to most likely all evolutionary musical styles.

But the really demanding question is that Apple need to find a way to bring back the whole Album experience (by taking away the bastardising and segmenting of artist albums)

Albums are not created to be chopped into pieces they are made so that the deeper and more meaningful journey of the artist (through their album) can be experienced (as the artist meant it to be experienced). In this regard Apple's true colours are shown as nothing more that a carpet bagger who uses the creative works for personal gain rather than for the love of the art.
 
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I'm 70, have been listening to classical music since my mother introduced me to the Dvorak New Word Symphony when I was 7 or 8 years old, at the outset of the LP era. I nearly wore out that LP, but I still have it! This article was interesting, and I have perused the comments, some of which are useful and some of which are nitpicking. My take on it is that, for all of its weaknesses, Apple music has increased my enjoyment of music listening to a very great degree. Its huge advantage over Spotify is that an immense library is possible, I have still not discovered the limit if there is one. On my iPhone 6s+, 78 of its 128 GB of storage is used for Music downloads. I am sure my entire library over and above the downloads is hundreds of GBs. When I am working, going to sleep, walking, etc., I usually put the library into song mode, and set it to shuffle. I know I will like anything that comes on, because I have carefully chosen anything that goes into the library over the years.

My library spans about 500 years of the history of music, and the juxtaposition of all of the different eras of classical music is completely engaging and endlessly surprising. The greatness of the human accomplishment that is classical music in constantly driven home in this process. (Classical music is the crowning achievement of humanity in my opinion. I am all for an open and flexible definition of what is "classical". It certainly should include the music of cultures other than western culture) Anyway, if the shuffling comes up with something I want to hear more of, then it is easy to tap "Go to Album" to listen to the entire work. I like Spotify, and subscribe from time to time, but it does not allow for such a huge library and does not as easily allow you to shuffle play your entire library.

I think the sound quality of Apple Music is perfectly adequate, particularly on my Mac, using an external headphone amp. As a younger man, I aspired to be an audiophile, but aging ears and growing tired of listening to the equipment instead of the music has made me completely happy with streaming music. My knowledge of classical music does make it easy for me to discover what I want, and the criticism about discoverability is somewhat valid. Apple should add "Go to Composer" to the drop down menu of the phone version to help novices learn more about a given composer. (Of course, Wikipedia & the internet in general supply all of the information you could desire while listening.) When you search for a composer, all of the Albums of that composer's music in Apple Music are definitely NOT displayed on that composer's page. Spotify is much better at listing all of the composer's albums that they have. However, if you search for a specific album of classical music, Apple Music is a bit more likely than Spotify to have it.
 
Great to see this getting attention. But we're only scratching the surface! This applies to all contemporary and also "world" music too.

Some additional thoughts (some of which Charles has touched on):

1. Why is Classical music being referred to as just 300 years old? What about music from 1500s or indeed earlier? Most music you hear daily in church, big ceremonies, state events, etc. are from the 16th Century! It is 500+ years of living music.

2. It has been just about 120 years since the manufacturers of music (which was always classical essentially, and later jazz, as for a long time that was the entertainment music) have been trying to package music in an immaculate manner [see any LP or even CD by any reputable record company: the meticulous house style in the presentation of musicological detail; often top music critics of musicologist hired to write the sleeve notes. Plus often many other related detail, pictures, etc].

What right do the major streaming services have to attack a true culture which has reached a zenith in the late 20th Century by pretty much destroying and eliminating these important associated elements of a published music release?

Isn’t the problem with many societies around the world that they have now reached the peak of disrespect for civilised values? On one extreme end of the scale. isn’t the main reason why so many people worship ‘disrespectful, aggressive, openly-ignorant-and-proud-or-it leaders? Almost everything in life is being simplified to make it easier to feed to the masses and make money from it.

One might argue "people don't want that extra stuff, they just want the music". But that is incredibly naive. The vast majority of people take what they're fed. And people can be educated to desire and expect better: if it's offered to them.

The same applies for the removal of all but a small amount of arts/history/science programming from key television channels (relegating to smaller hidden away channels) and replacing it with generic entertainment shows that keep rehashing the same core themes. "But it's what people want". No: only if you dumb things down by playing to the lowest common denominator.

Back to classical music: would I be considered pretentious, if I was to suggest that it is offensive to call individual movements (and sometimes sections) of some of the greatest creations of human history in music ‘tracks’ or ‘songs’ and destructive of the original work to add uniform 2 second silences between them so that they can be sold as neatly organised (consumer...) units?

Beethoven late string quartets, or North Indian ragas... etc.

This is of course one example of the huge range of tragi-comedic decisions made in the presentation of classical music by Apple, Spotify, and other download companies.

3. Of course I am sure it is totally futile to suggest that these companies should be boycotted. Instead true lovers of music should be encouraged to buy LPs or CDs, or use the more premium online services (which opens up another conversation door about audio compression!).

Charles is right: Apple/Spotify et al need to hire human curators who know what they're talking about in this regard... or acquire/license from a company that's already done this well!
 
Someone posted this station but later deleted the post - http://www.radioswissclassic.ch/en

I was going to come today to thank them for it - this is a fantastic station!

Anyone have similar recommendations?
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I'm 70, have been listening to classical music since my mother introduced me to the Dvorak New Word Symphony when I was 7 or 8 years old, at the outset of the LP era. I nearly wore out that LP, but I still have it! This article was interesting, and I have perused the comments, some of which are useful and some of which are nitpicking. My take on it is that, for all of its weaknesses, Apple music has increased my enjoyment of music listening to a very great degree. Its huge advantage over Spotify is that an immense library is possible, I have still not discovered the limit if there is one. On my iPhone 6s+, 78 of its 128 GB of storage is used for Music downloads. I am sure my entire library over and above the downloads is hundreds of GBs. When I am working, going to sleep, walking, etc., I usually put the library into song mode, and set it to shuffle. I know I will like anything that comes on, because I have carefully chosen anything that goes into the library over the years.

My library spans about 500 years of the history of music, and the juxtaposition of all of the different eras of classical music is completely engaging and endlessly surprising. The greatness of the human accomplishment that is classical music in constantly driven home in this process. (Classical music is the crowning achievement of humanity in my opinion. I am all for an open and flexible definition of what is "classical". It certainly should include the music of cultures other than western culture) Anyway, if the shuffling comes up with something I want to hear more of, then it is easy to tap "Go to Album" to listen to the entire work. I like Spotify, and subscribe from time to time, but it does not allow for such a huge library and does not as easily allow you to shuffle play your entire library.

I think the sound quality of Apple Music is perfectly adequate, particularly on my Mac, using an external headphone amp. As a younger man, I aspired to be an audiophile, but aging ears and growing tired of listening to the equipment instead of the music has made me completely happy with streaming music. My knowledge of classical music does make it easy for me to discover what I want, and the criticism about discoverability is somewhat valid. Apple should add "Go to Composer" to the drop down menu of the phone version to help novices learn more about a given composer. (Of course, Wikipedia & the internet in general supply all of the information you could desire while listening.) When you search for a composer, all of the Albums of that composer's music in Apple Music are definitely NOT displayed on that composer's page. Spotify is much better at listing all of the composer's albums that they have. However, if you search for a specific album of classical music, Apple Music is a bit more likely than Spotify to have it.

Is there anyway you could share a text dump of your library?
 
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