close app with the close button

[Tom Foolery]

well it would be nice if i got my way but i guess that is doubtful. and i certainly did not me to offend anybody with the implication that leopard is anything less than perfect.

all i really wanted was maybe a 3rd party app that would allow me to change this myself

 

[DJAKO]

well it would be nice if i got my way but i guess that is doubtful. and i certainly did not me to offend anybody with the implication that leopard is anything less than perfect.

all i really wanted was maybe a 3rd party app that would allow me to change this myself

Have your way? Seems a bit selfish. If you don't like the system and how it is implemented why don't you develop this "3rd party" app yourself?

 

[Tom Foolery]

^^^^^^^^^^^

is it selfish to have a want. you want it to stay the same that's just as selfish. and besides mac has what 2% of computer market now. so most new recruits will be from windows if that number is to double.

In any matter i'm not a programer so how would i make a program like this genius

 

[BlackMax]

Considering this is the way it's been since the 80s, I doubt it'll change.

Just remember: -Q quits the app. It's not that hard to learn. I did it.

Exactly. Think of it as just a nuance between the OS X way of closing applications and the Windows way of closing applications.

The history of it *I believe* goes back to the day when the application in focus had complete control of the entire desktop and you could switch between which application you wanted in focus; placing the other running applications in the background without closing them.

Now that you are using OS X, embrace it. -Q is a really quick way to close the applications you want closed. Quicker and easier than clicking on the "red x" for each open window, IMHO.

 

[Tallest Skil]

is it selfish to have a want. you want it to stay the same that's just as selfish. and besides mac has what 2% of computer market now. so most new recruits will be from windows if that number is to double.

8%, actually.

And this isn't Windows. I don't want to have to wait for an app to restart just because I closed the window in which I was working.

If you are willing enough to switch, then you should be willing enough to learn something about your new OS instead of being lazy and expecting it to conform to your wants. Besides, you wanted to escape your previous experiences, yes? Isn't that why you switched?

 

[richard.mac]

^^^^^^^^^^^

is it selfish to have a want. you want it to stay the same that's just as selfish. and besides mac has what 2% of computer market now. so most new recruits will be from windows if that number is to double.

In any matter i'm not a programer so how would i make a program like this genius

Mac OS X has about 7% of the market share now . http://marketshare.hitslink.com/report.aspx?qprid=8 thats a fair difference from 2%.

OS X is a document and window orientated OS rather than just an application orientated OS. so if an app allows you to open multiple windows, clicking the "X" button will not quit the app but rather close the window assuming you have another window open or you still want the app to be in RAM. examples of this are Finder (which is always open), Safari, Mail, iTunes, iCal, Terminal, Photoshop & Pages documents etc.

but if an application only has one window clicking the "X" button will quit it as you will have no other use for the app when its only window closes and these apps usually open fast anyway. examples of this are System Preferences, Disk Utility, iPhoto, Calculator etc.

for Windows we all know its different. when you click the "X" the application usually closes. but explorer which like Finder is always open and you assume it quits when you close a window but its always open, its just not obvious. but even some Windows applications use OS X's idea by closing to the system tray. its obviously seen as an advantage of having an app open without a window open of having it in the taskbar. the taskbar is like a crippled dock. then theres applications in Windows that dont close if you have multiple windows open just like OS X does. example of this is browser windows and Photoshop documents. you dont want Photoshop closing after you close a document… what if you want to open another?

the Windows way is too untidy i think with some apps quitting, some closing to the system tray and some not quitting as you have multiple windows open. this is why i think OS X's way is better. its more efficient, user friendly (if you learn to understand it and not assume it should work like in Windows) and it makes sense.
case and thread closed i reckon.

 

[callmemike20]

Mac OS X has about 7% of the market share now . http://marketshare.hitslink.com/report.aspx?qprid=8 thats a fair difference from 2%.

OS X is a document and window orientated OS rather than just an application orientated OS. so if an app allows you to open multiple windows, clicking the "X" button will not quit the app but rather close the window assuming you have another window open or you still want the app to be in RAM. examples of this are Finder (which is always open), Safari, Mail, iTunes, iCal, Terminal, Photoshop & Pages documents etc.

but if an application only has one window clicking the "X" button will quit it as you will have no other use for the app when its only window closes and these apps usually open fast anyway. examples of this are System Preferences, Disk Utility, iPhoto, Calculator etc.

for Windows we all know its different. when you click the "X" the application usually closes. but explorer which like Finder is always open and you assume it quits when you close a window but its always open, its just not obvious. but even some Windows applications use OS X's idea by closing to the system tray. its obviously seen as an advantage of having an app open without a window open of having it in the taskbar. the taskbar is like a crippled dock. then theres applications in Windows that dont close if you have multiple windows open just like OS X does. example of this is browser windows and Photoshop documents. you dont want Photoshop closing after you close a document… what if you want to open another?

the Windows way is too untidy i think with some apps quitting, some closing to the system tray and some not quitting as you have multiple windows open. this is why i think OS X's way is better. its more efficient, user friendly (if you learn to understand it and not assume it should work like in Windows) and it makes sense.
case and thread closed i reckon.

Exactly what I was trying to point out. Thanks for elaborating.

 

[scaredpoet]

^^^^^^^^^^^

is it selfish to have a want. you want it to stay the same that's just as selfish.

Wants are always selfish. That doesn't necessarily make them wrong to have.

However, this is a different operating system, with a different user interface. OS X is not Windows, plain and simple. And naturally, it's going to have a different functionality, and a somewhat different way of doing things. Some of them you'll like. Some of them you might not. That doesn't mean that these different behaviors are bugs.

It's a lot like driving a different brand of car. Most of the features are similar: you drive with a steering wheel, brakes, gas pedal, and a shifter. But on some models, the shifter is on the steering column, while in others, the shifter is on the floor, between the driver and passenger. Just because you learned to drive with the shifter on the steering column doesn't mean that the car is broken because the shifter has moved. It's simply a different placement, and a relatively minor one at that. And you have to consider the whole picture: do you like the car otherwise? Does it handle well? Is that shifter position really going to bug you to the point where you'll hate driving it, or will it be something you can get used to?

Application management is different between OS X and Windows. On Windows, the red X closes the Apps. On a Mac, it's Command-Q (or AppName -> Quit). It's nothing earth shattering, just different. Again, you have to ask yourself: do the other advantages of OS X (no viruses, no malware, good stability, ease of use in other areas...) outweigh this one little nag?

and besides mac has what 2% of computer market now. so most new recruits will be from windows if that number is to double.

And those windows users are going to have a learning curve. It's inevitable. They too, will have to realize that with a new operating system comes a new way of doing things. That is what they wanted, right? Otherwise, they would've stuck with Windows.

And let me also point out that they would have this same learning curve (probably even more so) if they switched to another alternative, like linux. There's even differences between OS X and Linux. The whole point of a different OS is different functionality. Otherwise, there would be one, and ONLY one, OS.

And no, I'm not saying "fine, go back to Windows!" Because something minor like remembering to type Command-Q to quit an app isn't worth chucking your Mac. Is it?

 

[Tom Foolery]

And no, I'm not saying "fine, go back to Windows!" Because something minor like remembering to type Command-Q to quit an app isn't worth chucking your Mac. Is it?

no i'm obviously not going to switch. i like mac alot however there are some things that i feel can be changed. maybe this can be done so with a 3rd party app, i guess if that was possible it would have been suggested already