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I just ordered a 2011 (4gb, 128gb) 11 inch air from Ebay with charger for $45. Should arrive in a week. I was wondering if it is possible to install Snow leopard on it from a bootable clone I still have made off a 2010 mini ( I think). If not, I'll just go with mountain lion. Thanks
Looking forward to enjoying club 11 membership. 🥳
Update on the "new" 2011 11 inch air:
It arrived in good physical condition, but wouldn't power on, and seller forgot to pack the magsafe 1 charger (I only have a spare ms2).

So, he sends one out immediately (in pristine condition), and 2 days later, I charge it, boot off a mountain lion clone ( it was sold as missing an os) and try to clone back to the internal ssd. No go.
Run drivedx and find ssd was dead, not missing os.
Contact seller again and he refunds me $20 to replace the ssd.

Sooo, I bought a 256gb apple used ssd off ebay for $30, checked it with drivedx, Installed it and cloned mountain lion onto it. All good now , right?
No. I couldn't get it to connect with my wifi network no matter how many fixes I tried.

I finally decided to try high sierra instead, as I also have a backup clone of it. Took forever to clone off a spinner over usb2, but works like a charm. No wifi issues at all, and I think I'm glad it worked out this way in the end. 🙂 All in all ended with a nice 11 inch air with double the ssd for only $10 more, $55 total.
 
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why was i not invited?
"Club 11 welcomes its prospective members :)

Admission to Club 11 is in ownership of a 11.6" MacBook Air belonging to the 2010 (because it's a Core 2 Duo machine) or 2011 (because it doesn't officially run a still-supported version of macOS) generation."

So I am assuming an invitation is not required.
Anyway, welcome to the club!
 
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has anyone booted an older OSX like Snow leopard on a macbook air 2010-11
using an exteral HD?
im usng a bitsjour enclosuer that wort or is trying to read a 68GB of snow leopard as that did not show up as an option while pressing the "option key". My MBA is running Mojave and the drive works as that read another blade of time machine as might reformat that 128GB to Mt Lion.
My plan is to use an external of snow leo to running a scanneras well as CS4 mainly photoshop on finished art work.
thanks in advance!
 
has anyone booted an older OSX like Snow leopard on a macbook air 2010-11
using an exteral HD?
im usng a bitsjour enclosuer that wort or is trying to read a 68GB of snow leopard as that did not show up as an option while pressing the "option key". My MBA is running Mojave and the drive works as that read another blade of time machine as might reformat that 128GB to Mt Lion.
My plan is to use an external of snow leo to running a scanneras well as CS4 mainly photoshop on finished art work.
thanks in advance!
Tried Snow leopard from external clone on a 2011 with no os/bad ssd, booted to a blank screen. Didn't try after replacing ssd. Ended up with High sierra, maybe I will try booting Snow leopard clone again when I have time.

The problem you are having may be that the apfs formatted internal drive doesn't recognize hfs+ .

How does Mojave run on a 2010 air?
 
Snow leopard bootable backup does show as option , internal ssd formatted to apfs running High sierra. Still just boots to black screen.
 
I don't think SL, or any other OS prior to HS, supports apfs.
True.
Was trying to boot from bootable clone of Snow leopard (to see if it might be possible to use it on 2011 air), and to see if having apfs formatted internal prevents one from seeing older os formatted hfs+.
I think I have it backwards , older hfs+ formatted os will not see apfs formatted bootable clone in boot options?
 
I think I have it backwards , older hfs+ formatted os will not see apfs formatted bootable clone in boot options?
After the older OS has booted it cannot see the apfs partitions or disks. And as the SL does not support apfs I think you cannot boot a SL cloned into apfs disk.

I very rarely set the boot disk from inside the OS. I usually use the alt pressed boot option to get the boot menu and make my choice there. This allows choosing between various MacOS and Linux versions easily which might not be visible inside the OS at all.

I think my OS installation disk has mixed hfs+ and apfs bootable partitions and they all are visible in the initial boot menu (boot with alt pressed) as no OS has been booted at that time. A bootrom upgrade might be necessary to make the apfs visible at that point in older machine made prior HS? I believe the bootrom is upgraded when HS is installed to that machine and after that one can go back to older OS. One might need an original Apple drive to do this, the machines can be picky about it. Rarely a problem with MBAs though.
 
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I very rarely set the boot disk from inside the OS. I usually use the alt pressed boot option to get the boot menu and make my choice there. This allows choosing between various MacOS and Linux versions easily which might not be visible inside the OS at all.

When I had a multi-boot setup with Linux and macOS on my 2010 MBA, rEFind worked well for me in this regard.

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Hat tip to @Hughmac for that one. :)
 
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How does Mojave run on a 2010 air?
Mojave is great! some beachballs at first then nothing since first launch.
which is why i'm not in a urgent manner to get Mt Lion and Snow Leopard back on both MacBooks 2010,2012.
Orion is a great browser for both systems!
 
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After the older OS has booted it cannot see the apfs partitions or disks. And as the SL does not support apfs I think you cannot boot a SL cloned into apfs disk.

I very rarely set the boot disk from inside the OS. I usually use the alt pressed boot option to get the boot menu and make my choice there. This allows choosing between various MacOS and Linux versions easily which might not be visible inside the OS at all.
SL wasn't cloned into apfs disk, was an external bootable clone on hfs+ . Nor did I set boot disc from inside os, which I pretty much never do. Like you I use the option key while booting to choose. I guess I wasn't clear on that.
 
I think my OS installation disk has mixed hfs+ and apfs bootable partitions and they all are visible in the initial boot menu (boot with alt pressed) as no OS has been booted at that time.
When I attached a different external drive (apfs formatted) and booted with option/alt, it showed the High sierra and Mojave clones, but only the data part of the Monterey clone.
Edit: on a 2014 mac mini (that I bought with Monterey installed but replaced with windows 11), the same external drive booted with alt/option does show the Monterey clone.
 
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what does "cloned" really mean?
As I am using the term , it is an exact copy of a drive (or partition) that is bootable. I use carbon copy cloner to make clones of mac operating systems I want to save for potential reuse on another machine or when harddrive/ssd fails.
I have found that old installers I have kept can be unreliable .
 
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How did I never claim my membership here? :D
2011 i7 and a surely-by-now-included? 2013 i5.
The required photographic evidence will be posted without (too much) delay!
 
Update on the "new" 2011 11 inch air:
It arrived in good physical condition, but wouldn't power on, and seller forgot to pack the magsafe 1 charger (I only have a spare ms2).

So, he sends one out immediately (in pristine condition), and 2 days later, I charge it, boot off a mountain lion clone ( it was sold as missing an os) and try to clone back to the internal ssd. No go.
Run drivedx and find ssd was dead, not missing os.
Contact seller again and he refunds me $20 to replace the ssd.

Sooo, I bought a 256gb apple used ssd off ebay for $30, checked it with drivedx, Installed it and cloned mountain lion onto it. All good now , right?
No. I couldn't get it to connect with my wifi network no matter how many fixes I tried.

I finally decided to try high sierra instead, as I also have a backup clone of it. Took forever to clone off a spinner over usb2, but works like a charm. No wifi issues at all, and I think I'm glad it worked out this way in the end. 🙂 All in all ended with a nice 11 inch air with double the ssd for only $10 more, $55 total.
After some experimenting, googling and turning the date back, I managed to update my Mountain lion clone to Mavericks and give it the full wowfunhappy mavericksforever treatment. (upgrade even fixed the wifi issue on Ml)
https://mavericksforever.com/
Now it is exactly what I wanted for this device when I bought it. 🥳
 
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After some experimenting, googling and turning the date back, I managed to update my Mountain lion clone to Mavericks and give it the full wowfunhappy mavericksforever treatment. (upgrade even fixed the wifi issue on Ml)
https://mavericksforever.com/
Now it is exactly what I wanted for this device when I bought it. 🥳
does that (turning the date back) work on a blank ssd?
I can not get Mt lion to fresh install via thumb drive and Internets recovery
the last 1 minute reverts to 14 minutes, then 8 then 1 then 14, 8,1.....then to Tim Cook.
 
My problem was that mavericks would not install at all : something about "no packages are eligible to install".
Couldn't get past that without changing the date to sometime in 2016 because of expired certificates. Needed to turn off wifi too.
If expired certificates is your issue, it should also work for a clean install from usb installer on an hsf+ formatted ssd (don't think it will work from internet recovery). Set the date to early 2013 for ML. Turn off wifi.
 
Over the past year-plus, I've alternated between Mavericks, Mojave, Catalina, and Monterey on my 2010 11" Air trying to find the best balance between performance and usability as a secondary system.

Besides Snow Leopard, Mavericks was obviously the fastest but had the poorest web compatibility, only supporting Pale Moon and Basilisk, alongside the now 1.5-year-old Chromium Legacy. Monterey was of course the most flexible in terms of application support, but was significantly slower in comparison and overworked the processor to the point where the fan would run 24/7. Even disabling a large number of background services including Spotlight, iCloud, analytics, geolocation, and many others could only make relatively minor improvements. And Catalina was better, but still on the slower and hotter side if I recall correctly.

Then a few weeks ago, I decided to try Mojave. With a few adjustments, it is in my opinion by far the best compromise for the 1.6 GHz / 4 GB configuration (whereas El Capitan might be a more appropriate choice for the 1.4 GHz / 2 GB tier). Boot times and app launches are fast, gestures and animations are smooth and fluid, and temperatures are so low that the fan seldom runs. Best of all, the web is also fully accessible thanks to Kagi's Orion browser, which still supports 10.14 and provides current WebKit versions (now up to 619.1) whereas Safari 14 is stuck at 611.3. Having the ability to use dark mode while also retaining 32-bit apps is a nice plus as well; a perfect compliment for PPC compatibility in Snow Leopard.

And provided that simultaneously running apps are kept to a minimum and a comprehensive ad-blocking solution is used, it is a perfectly pleasant experience accessing most sites and running offline software / suites. On this note, I was fortunately able to record resource consumption between fresh installs of all three OSes and comparing them side-by-side, it is no wonder Mojave is the best performer. The number of active threads directly correlates with usage %, chip temperature, and fan speed:

Mojave -

Approx. CPU Processes: 210
Approx. CPU Threads: 650
Approx. RAM Available: 1.7 GB

Catalina -

Approx. CPU Processes: 300
Approx. CPU Threads: 950
Approx. RAM Available: 1.8 GB

(Though I was able to get this down to 250 Pr, 800 Th, and 2.4 GB following optimization--still bested by Mojave even in its stock configuration.)

Monterey -

Approx. CPU Processes: 330
Approx. CPU Threads: 1,000+
Approx. RAM Available: 1.0 to 1.5 GB

(220 Pr and 740 Th after optimization, with some improvements but still overall disappointing performance.)

Needless to say, I look forward to seeing how Mojave responds in an optimized state after all non-essential services have been disabled. In the meantime, this article by OSXDaily has finally taken care of the annoying "feature" where the system would by default switch out of sleep and into hibernation and thus take 10x longer to wake up, significantly improving usability. This article by "Stan" also details how to re-enable subpixel antialiasing to improve font rendering on non-Retina displays, which was first disabled in this release as Retina resolutions became standard.

Technicalities aside though, I really like this machine. I don't particularly care for the pentalobe screws, floppy / loose display, and integrated power button, but it's otherwise always reminded me a lot of the venerable 12" PowerBook G4 with its limited resources, familiar silver bezels, non-backlit keyboard, and similarly dimiuitive size for a Mac. Both models using integrated RAM and NVIDIA graphics are additional commonalities, although the Air's 320M is a much more potent chip than the G4's Go5200 which was underpowered even for its time.

Likewise, dual-booting 10.6 for PPC compatibility and 10.14 for web compatibility--split between Orion and Basilisk--is bringing back a lot of memories of how we would use both 10.4 for OS 9 compatibility and 10.5 for web compatibility, also splitting the latter between Leopard WebKit and TenFourFox to access most sites when those browsers were current.

In that sense, it really does feel like the spiritual successor and closest Intel-analogue to the ultra-compact 12" G4 that was never really properly replaced after the transition, unlike most of the other models at the time. And in hindsight it's remarkable that there's only a five-year difference between the two systems, which just speaks to the timeless design of the Air as it was released so relatively soon after the G4 era, yet still looks and feels so modern. Truly a unique device not simply for its appearance, but for what it pioneered. :apple:

Obligatory screenshot:

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