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I thought it would have been John Scully for sure. :roll eyes:

Scully was somewhat of a dunce managing Apple but I think you are being a bit too harsh. If you had said Spindler or Amelio I'd have agreed, but it was Scully who brought the Newton (PDA) concept to market. (It was Scully that first used the PDA term). The Newton was flawed to be sure, but it was the first PDA and the Newton team eventually founded Palm which then led to the concept of the PDA + cell phone (Palm Phone), the origins of the smartphone.
 
I find it highly amusing that someone would post a crappy picture of Apple maps and of Scott Forstall when Forstall was the guy responsible for the very same maps being mocked.

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I'm surprised Bezos wasn't significantly higher than #5 in this list.

You think he should have been ranked higher than Jobs, Gates or Page/Brin/Schmidt?
 
I find it highly amusing that someone would post a crappy picture of Apple maps and of Scott Forstall when Forstall was the guy responsible for the very same maps being mocked.
Um... I think those pictures are supposed to illustrate how Apple has got worserer, post-Jobs.
 
Mark but not Elon Musk?!

He is the next quarter century's Steve Jobs. He's a genius and his ideas will and are filtering down, but his full impact has yet to be felt. His current signature product, the Tesla is still very high end and very niche. Paypal, no longer his, is now hated thanks to eBays destruction of the brand. Not Musk's fault but that's how its viewed and these lists are done based on current perception. Looking back it wasn't all that transformative anyway -- just a quicker way to pay for things on eBay. And SpaceX on its face looks like just another space contractor. I realize its different but again perception of journalists.

But if anyone shouldn't be on that list it seems it should be Oprah. Not sure how she was transformative at all.
 
Um... I think those pictures are supposed to illustrate how Apple has got worserer, post-Jobs.

Hmm...I assumed the photo of Forstall was a dig against Cook for firing him as usually the Jobs lovers are the first ones to say he would never have done that.
 
I find it highly amusing that someone would post a crappy picture of Apple maps and of Scott Forstall when Forstall was the guy responsible for the very same maps being mocked.

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Forestall did not take those crappy pictures himself nor could he have stop Steve from making the switch from Google Maps.

That political comment at the bottom of your posts is quite tiring. Frankly, it applies to conservatives even more so. Hope you are not shocked and offended by my point of view.
 
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You think [Bezos] should have been ranked higher than Jobs, Gates or Page/Brin/Schmidt?
I'd definitely rank Bezos (or 'Amazon') above the Google Gang (are all three of them really 'business leaders'?) in terms of influence/importance to the modern world. I'd also rank Gates (or 'Microsoft') above Jobs (or 'Apple'), certainly across a whole quarter century span.

Where Federal Reserve guys fit into the league table is anyone's guess, but presumably their decisions are are whole lot more significant to the world than any cruddy operating system / computer / smartphone / search engine / online retailing empire.
 
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Forestall did not take those crappy pictures himself nor could he have stop Steve from making the switch from Google Maps.

That political comment at the bottom of your posts is quite tiring. I tried to reason with a conservative, frankly, it applied to them just as well.

His maps presentation was flawless but the product was anything but. Of course ditching Google maps wasn't all Forstall's decision. But I think it's unfair to ding Cook over maps yet at the same time ding him for letting Forstall go. None of us know all the reasons why Cook made that decision. Some people might not agree with the UI changes in iOS but I think one can objectively say iOS stagnated under Forstall's leadership and is still playing catchup to other mobile. OSes in certain areas.
 
It all depends on how it is measured, but I can't help but think that Bill Gates touches everyone's lives more than Steve Jobs. I prefer Steve myself, but all ATM's run windows, all airlines and 99% of all businesses run windows or MS DOS (Saw KLM use MS DOS a few days ago).

Although from a consumer point of view Steve is a clear winner, it is Bill Gates' technology that touches the live of most people on this planet through all the processes and embedded systems that run his technology.

But there's a big flaw in your comments. Apple in 90s was very weak and Steve wasn't at the Apple. So Windows because of this and ability of Windows to run on all systems allowed it to grow it's market share. Even today Apple software can only run on Apple hardware legally. Only thing Bill Gates done was killing competitors such as Apple and Unix-systems and copying Apple GUI. Yes, he donated a lot of money to charity but he hadn't touch anyones lives, or revolutionized the Technology world. I haven't had a change to meet Steve Jobs as a person, but without a doubt Steve was the most Influential and amazing person as a business man and an innovator.
 
It all depends on how it is measured, but I can't help but think that Bill Gates touches everyone's lives more than Steve Jobs. I prefer Steve myself, but all ATM's run windows, all airlines and 99% of all businesses run windows or MS DOS (Saw KLM use MS DOS a few days ago).

Although from a consumer point of view Steve is a clear winner, it is Bill Gates' technology that touches the live of most people on this planet through all the processes and embedded systems that run his technology.

I'm more impressed by what Bill Gates has done through the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation.

I could be wrong, but I think he will eventually be remembered more for his contributions through the foundation than what he's done through Microsoft.
 
But there's a big flaw in your comments. Apple in 90s was very weak and Steve wasn't at the Apple. So Windows because of this and ability of Windows to run on all systems allowed it to grow it's market share.
So if only Jobs had remained at Apple, Mac OS would have been been Bigger Than Windows?
 
But there's a big flaw in your comments. Apple in 90s was very weak and Steve wasn't at the Apple. So Windows because of this and ability of Windows to run on all systems allowed it to grow it's market share. Even today Apple software can only run on Apple hardware legally. Only thing Bill Gates done was killing competitors such as Apple and Unix-systems and copying Apple GUI. Yes, he donated a lot of money to charity but he hadn't touch anyones lives, or revolutionized the Technology world. I haven't had a change to meet Steve Jobs as a person, but without a doubt Steve was the most Influential and amazing person as a business man and an innovator.

Microsoft did not copy Apple GUI. Both Apple and Microsoft copied it from Xerox.
 
But there's a big flaw in your comments. Apple in 90s was very weak and Steve wasn't at the Apple. So Windows because of this and ability of Windows to run on all systems allowed it to grow it's market share. Even today Apple software can only run on Apple hardware legally. Only thing Bill Gates done was killing competitors such as Apple and Unix-systems and copying Apple GUI. Yes, he donated a lot of money to charity but he hadn't touch anyones lives, or revolutionized the Technology world. I haven't had a change to meet Steve Jobs as a person, but without a doubt Steve was the most Influential and amazing person as a business man and an innovator.

I love Apple, but aren't they trying to kill competition too? Nowadays it's Apple against the world, against Google, samsung, amazon, pandora, google maps, roku, to name a few... and that's business... that's good business actually. Every single company i worked for had their eyes out for competitive ingelligence and how to beat competition... nothing wrong with that.

Also, give Bill some credit, I don't think he should be #1 but #2 is a nice spot
 
Forestall did not take those crappy pictures himself nor could he have stop Steve from making the switch from Google Maps.
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The funny thing about these pics is that they are not really pics of anything! They are print screen of a 3D view that is on loading process. But sure, whoever toke it didn't want to wait few sec for the view to load. They wanted instead the incomplete view!
 
I find it highly amusing that someone would post a crappy picture of Apple maps and of Scott Forstall when Forstall was the guy responsible for the very same maps being mocked.

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You think he should have been ranked higher than Jobs, Gates or Page/Brin/Schmidt?

In the long run, Amazon will have the bigger impact. Looking at it from the 100 year perspective, Gates' big contribution was to standardize the PC platform, allowing software to take off, among other things. It's hard to see Jobs being more than a footnote in the 100 year perspective-- he impacted a wide breadth of things, but it's hard to pick any one that changed the course of humanity in a big way. Google-- too soon to say, really. Maybe Facebook and the like, since basically they've destroyed the concept of geography-- nobody talks with their physical neighbors anymore, just their "Friends". But Amazon is changing the fundamental way goods are traded. It's an economic milestone. Not to mention, Amazon may be on to way to having its fingers in a huge portion of the world's economy... we'll see.
 
I love Apple, but aren't they trying to kill competition too? Nowadays it's Apple against the world, against Google, samsung, amazon, pandora, google maps, roku, to name a few... and that's business... that's good business actually. Every single company i worked for had their eyes out for competitive ingelligence and how to beat competition... nothing wrong with that.

Nothing wrong in trying to beat the competition as long as you try to do it fairly. I don't think you can compare Microsoft's history of anticompetitive practices with Apple.

Also, give Bill some credit, I don't think he should be #1 but #2 is a nice spot

Definately #2.
 
I hope the missing of his influence and vision within Apple, will not be proved disastrous.
 
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