Code Blue! in the Marketplace

[Blue Velvet]

...why not enable the vB Reputation feature and have people with only really good reputations be able to post.

I suspect that feature is enabled. But for mods only.

I could be wrong but reading between the lines in various threads leads me to that conclusion... besides, why would you want to suggest this idea? Isn't that like turkeys voting for Christmas or Thanksgiving?

 

[Mitthrawnuruodo]

I think having to fill out an application form is a bit extreme. Can you imagine the strain that would put on Mods? (or whoever has to read and approve/decline applications) I think the idea is something low-maintenence but effective.

I'm not trying to make it easier for potential merchants...

 

[skoker]

I think having to fill out an application form is a bit extreme. Can you imagine the strain that would put on Mods? (or whoever has to read and approve/decline applications) I think the idea is something low-maintenence but effective.

If anything like an application were deemed necessary, perhaps having to fill out a detailed personal information form would be best. At the very least, it would make people think twice about screwing others. But then again, who's to say they don't lie?

A tricky problem indeed.

EDIT: Just caught your post, skoker. What's the deal with this vB Reputation feature? How does that work?

Ask eva01, she's the local vB expert.

 

[elfin buddy]

I'm not trying to make it easier for potential merchants...

Haha, of course you aren't! But you're sure not making it any easier on the mods either

Ask eva01, she's the local vB expert.

Righto, hopefully she'll come by on her own eventually.

 

[amacgenius]

Ask eva01, she's the local vB expert.

You're a Demi-God, you've been here for months, and you still don't know that eva01 is NOT a girl!?

*tsk tsk*

 

[eva01]

Reputation works this way.

Lets say you make a post

Someone thinks it is a great post they will click the reputation icon to add to your reputation

If they don't like it they can choose the disapprove reputation and it will come off your reputation.

It would include another image underneath everyones avatar.

This would show how trustworthy or intelligent someone is with their posts, or how untrustworthy or stupid someone is (don't yell at me for the choice of words i make here it is generic)

Administrators can change the level of reputation and everything. Basically if you just had it for the marketplace and not for people's posts you could tell how worthy they are to make a deal with for a computer or some other random device etc. etc.

Attached are images of which i mean

First Image: Admin Picture of reputation stuff
Second Image: Picture of reputation clickable icon
Third Image: What you would go to after you click previous icon
Fourth Image: Picture of what generic Reputation looks like (default vB) Someone with more reputation will have more green icons there

FYI: images are from my site where i just turned on reputation to give this walkthrough. No i do not use reputation on my own site


EDIT: Second Image is under the other three since it is not needed as a thumbnail (just found a feature of vB i don't like )

 

[iGary]

You're a Demi-God, you've been here for months, and you still don't know that eva01 is NOT a girl!?

*tsk tsk*

Smoker's a couple of french fries short of a Happy Meal.

 

[Kwyjibo]

Smoker's a couple of french fries short of a Happy Meal.

mmmm thats good satire

 

[bousozoku]

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Here's another idea: why not enable the vB Reputation feature and have people with only really good reputations be able to post. That way, only trustworthy people can buy/sell and it your reputation dips your access to the Marketplace is retroactively revoked?

Maybe, because you wouldn't be able to post anymore.

 

[skoker]

You're a Demi-God, you've been here for months, and you still don't know that eva01 is NOT a girl!?

*tsk tsk*

I like to default to 'she' for objects/people that don't have/I don't know the gender.

Although this was a rather inopportune time to default.

Smoker's a couple of french fries short of a Happy Meal.

At least I know what a 'through passenger' is

Maybe, because you wouldn't be able to post anymore.

Nor would you, if you were a normal iCollar member.

 

[amacgenius]

mmmm thats good satire

L.O.L. I totally forgot about that thread, that was quite funny during that time.

 

[thedude110]

It has been a poll since I started it, and I don't know why it went off on a tangent.

It went "off on a tangent" because your first post has nothing to do with the content of your poll. You started a discussion about whether the Marketplace needs "reform," but used the poll feature to propose a specific reform sans discussion.

Here's another idea: why not enable the vB Reputation feature and have people with only really good reputations be able to post. That way, only trustworthy people can buy/sell and it your reputation dips your access to the Marketplace is retroactively revoked?

Very good reasons not to enable reputation can be found here and in the thread I've already linked you to. I'd rather develop my own opinion of someone's reputation, not have my opinion imposed upon me by you or any other set of users.

I guess we can have the reputation conversation again, but it seems like we're chasing our tail.

And it certainly seems like it should be happening in a thread whose clear mission is to discuss feedback systems and reputations, not "general reform."

 

[bousozoku]

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Nor would you, if you were a normal iCollar member.

You were talking about vBulletin's reputation system. I've seen them.

 

[stonyc]

In terms of feedback systems, there are already several available to use... eBay, heatware, etc. While those are not perfect systems themselves, what would make anyone think that a feedback system implemented on MR would be any more immune to fraud?

It seems like people are looking to MR, arn and the mods to, in a way, mediate marketplace transactions... that isn't their job. Like someone else mentioned, MR is a community-based site that happens to have a marketplace.

 

[technicolor]

A feedback system is very easily implimented...on another board where I post there is just a running thread..

one called good reports
one called bad reports

where users can report their feedback

that would take no effort from arn but to start 2 posts and sticky them to the top of the forums

 

[skoker]

A feedback system is very easily implimented...on another board where I post there is just a running thread..

one called good reports
one called bad reports

where users can report their feedback

that would take no effort from arn but to start 2 posts and sticky them to the top of the forums

Ah-men.

Some members have already setup unofficial systems, like amacgenius

 

[stonyc]

A feedback system is very easily implimented...on another board where I post there is just a running thread..

one called good reports
one called bad reports

where users can report their feedback

that would take no effort from arn but to start 2 posts and sticky them to the top of the forums

Again...

How would that be any less susceptible to fraud than any of the other feedback systems that are already available? That, and eBay and heatware feedback is just as readily available and even easier for the mods and arn to maintain/implement.

The best anti-fraud/feedback system is not to sell to people that you don't know... and if you don't know the person you're selling to/buying from, there are feedback systems already available that you can reference should you choose to do business with this unknown person.

 

[amacgenius]

Ah-men.

Some members have already setup unofficial systems, like amacgenius

Yeah, and that got negative feedback from people because it was stupid apparently.

It's still archived here if MR wants to use it:
http://amacgenius.com/portfolio/mr/

.

 

[skoker]

Again...

How would that be any less susceptible to fraud than any of the other feedback systems that are already available? That, and eBay and heatware feedback is just as readily available and even easier for the mods and arn to maintain/implement.

The best anti-fraud/feedback system is not to sell to people that you don't know... and if you don't know the person you're selling to/buying from, there are feedback systems already available that you can reference should you choose to do business with this unknown person.

How could that be frauded, exactly?

 

[stonyc]

How could that be frauded, exactly?

Multiple user accounts?

EDIT: No system is fool-proof.. if someone is determined to cheat you, they'll find a way to cheat you. There is an inherent amount of risk when conducting transactions online with people that you don't know... even with people you thought you knew. How are two stickied posts in the marketplace going to reduce that risk?

 

[Spanky Deluxe]

I'm really quite surprised that the market place here is so open. A 100 post requirement to even view the market place is desperately needed imo. Maybe even the avatar level required. I'd be a lot more comfortable dealing with known members of the community.

 

[technicolor]

Again...

How would that be any less susceptible to fraud than any of the other feedback systems that are already available? That, and eBay and heatware feedback is just as readily available and even easier for the mods and arn to maintain/implement.

.

Because I want to hear feedback from other MR users not ebay, which is easy to have multiple accounts on.

 

[skoker]

How are two stickied posts in the marketplace going to reduce that risk?

First off, the mods can see really easily if somebody has more than one account, you just check the IP address records.

Secondly, how could two stickied threads hurt?

 

[stonyc]

First off, the mods can see really easily if somebody has more than one account, you just check the IP address records.

Secondly, how could two stickied threads hurt?

Firstly, it can be done (given enough determination).. say, registering a second account from a friend's house, or the library, or perhaps at a university.

Secondly, I'm not saying they'll hurt, I'm asking how much they'll help.

Because I want to hear feedback from other MR users not ebay, which is easy to have multiple accounts on.

What's wrong with heatware?

 

[stonyc]

I'm really quite surprised that the market place here is so open. A 100 post requirement to even view the market place is desperately needed imo. Maybe even the avatar level required. I'd be a lot more comfortable dealing with known members of the community.

That's fine, and I wouldn't be averse to such requirements... just know that no amount of rules and feedback systems will ever guarantee 100% anti-fraud protection.